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we were encouraged to vote Tory, the party that looks after the military (they didn't). Today Sky News are reporting that service personnel are being forced to use food banks. Rool britanya.
It doesn't really surprise me that this was part of your service indoctrination, but it is very sad that "they" think that fighting to make Johnson, Mogg, Hancock, etc richer at the expense of the majority in the country is patriotic.
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During my time in HM forces on 09:06 - Jun 12 with 2592 views
I'd not heard of that before. How were you encouraged? Was it overt, or a bit of gentle nudging? Surprised that isn't a thing that's made the news before. As you say, depressing that yet another professional under this Government has no choice but to use food banks.
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During my time in HM forces on 09:19 - Jun 12 with 2530 views
During my time in HM forces on 09:07 - Jun 12 by ghostofescobar
I'd not heard of that before. How were you encouraged? Was it overt, or a bit of gentle nudging? Surprised that isn't a thing that's made the news before. As you say, depressing that yet another professional under this Government has no choice but to use food banks.
Obviously it was never written in Standing Orders, but it was certainly encouraged by word of mouth, from above. This was many years ago and I don't know how things are these days.
During my time in HM forces on 09:23 - Jun 12 by noggin
Obviously it was never written in Standing Orders, but it was certainly encouraged by word of mouth, from above. This was many years ago and I don't know how things are these days.
During my time in HM forces on 09:06 - Jun 12 by Radlett_blue
And how pro-military would Labour be?
If by that you mean supportive financially, I suspect their ideology of cutting costs applies to the forces too. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a similar pattern of real term cuts (or at least below average rises) to both wages and defence budgets overall. But I haven't looked, so could be wrong.
During my time in HM forces on 09:23 - Jun 12 by noggin
Obviously it was never written in Standing Orders, but it was certainly encouraged by word of mouth, from above. This was many years ago and I don't know how things are these days.
I have delightful visions of you standing there in the jungle with a red-faced, sweating Windsor Davies bellowing in your ear "Now see you vote for those flabby, kleptomaniac, unpatriotic, filthy Tory serial liars lovely boy, or I'll have you on khazi-wallah duties for the REST OF YOUR CAREER!"
# WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE #
My old man served for 30 years, I know many people who served and are still serving, and they all had free choice to vote for whoever they wanted, the only people probably encouraged were the officers who were loaded so it would benefit them...
Also wouldn't believe that service personnel are being forced to use foodbanks, mainly because if they need to, most service personnel can visiit the foodhalls to get munch
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During my time in HM forces on 09:52 - Jun 12 with 2329 views
During my time in HM forces on 09:50 - Jun 12 by Mediocre_Quick
This can't be true,
My old man served for 30 years, I know many people who served and are still serving, and they all had free choice to vote for whoever they wanted, the only people probably encouraged were the officers who were loaded so it would benefit them...
Also wouldn't believe that service personnel are being forced to use foodbanks, mainly because if they need to, most service personnel can visiit the foodhalls to get munch
I never said we didn't have free choice. Please read my post again.
During my time in HM forces on 09:48 - Jun 12 by nodge_blue
Have you ever listened to "the rest is politics" podcast?
I think Alistair Campbell comes across pretty well in that. Very reasoned, left wing guy. I like Rory Stewart as well to be fair.
Anyway - I think there's an episode on there about Iraq if you ever fancy listening to it.
Does he say sorry for being complicit in killing all those people? Or does he talk about alcoholism.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Which is strange when you think about it, what could be more socialist than all wearing the same uniform, having a rigid chain of command and a discrete set of objectives ?
During my time in HM forces on 11:11 - Jun 12 by Darth_Koont
Does Campbell apologise?
He talks about Hussain's history of developing and using chemical weapons against his own people, invasion of Kuwait, kicking out UN inspectors and a fear that Iraq was becoming a rogue state and a real threat. And 9/11 meant that they couldn't risk containment as an option anymore.
Rory Stewart challenges him a lot on a paranoia that was built on around this. And how the US Neo cons had a delusion that democracy would come to Iraq and the Middle East in general.
He says that Blair wanted a UN resolution but ultimately came into line with US not to upset them and cause he did feel the first paragraph was relevant.
Rory says this was a catastrophic lack of judgement and terrible decision.
But essentially he only tries to justify the thinking at the time.
During my time in HM forces on 11:53 - Jun 12 by nodge_blue
He talks about Hussain's history of developing and using chemical weapons against his own people, invasion of Kuwait, kicking out UN inspectors and a fear that Iraq was becoming a rogue state and a real threat. And 9/11 meant that they couldn't risk containment as an option anymore.
Rory Stewart challenges him a lot on a paranoia that was built on around this. And how the US Neo cons had a delusion that democracy would come to Iraq and the Middle East in general.
He says that Blair wanted a UN resolution but ultimately came into line with US not to upset them and cause he did feel the first paragraph was relevant.
Rory says this was a catastrophic lack of judgement and terrible decision.
But essentially he only tries to justify the thinking at the time.
Its a really good podcast series though.
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How did he join the dots up with 9/11 and Iraq?
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
During my time in HM forces on 11:53 - Jun 12 by nodge_blue
He talks about Hussain's history of developing and using chemical weapons against his own people, invasion of Kuwait, kicking out UN inspectors and a fear that Iraq was becoming a rogue state and a real threat. And 9/11 meant that they couldn't risk containment as an option anymore.
Rory Stewart challenges him a lot on a paranoia that was built on around this. And how the US Neo cons had a delusion that democracy would come to Iraq and the Middle East in general.
He says that Blair wanted a UN resolution but ultimately came into line with US not to upset them and cause he did feel the first paragraph was relevant.
Rory says this was a catastrophic lack of judgement and terrible decision.
But essentially he only tries to justify the thinking at the time.
Its a really good podcast series though.
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2 Episodes.
It's been a month since I listened to them but from what I recall Campbell is very confident and single minded in making the decision to invade, which is covered in the first episode, but is very much on the defensive as Rory Stewart tears him apart over the lack of planning for what happens once Saddam is gone.
There is also a very good exchange between Rory Stewart and Jonathan Powell at 33.04 on the subject. One of the few times I've heard Rory Stewart get angry.
During my time in HM forces on 09:29 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue
If by that you mean supportive financially, I suspect their ideology of cutting costs applies to the forces too. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a similar pattern of real term cuts (or at least below average rises) to both wages and defence budgets overall. But I haven't looked, so could be wrong.
Given the military is the state and Labour should be more 'pro-state, you'd expect better support them really
It's an open goal really, it would confuse the flag shaggers, claiming to be patriots
The Tories claiming to be patriots, is a great trick really, given the national assets they have sold off over the years
They'd privatise the NHS, BBC and perhaps even the Royal Family if they could get away with it
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
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