| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? 20:08 - Sep 4 with 5368 views | noggin |
Even his own MPs think he's a dick. |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:13 - Sep 4 with 3002 views | Girthyguy |
With the initials BJ he was always destined to suck. |  | | |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:18 - Sep 4 with 2985 views | Guthrum |
As soon as he started promoting no deal (or, at least, a schedule so absurd that would be the inevitable outcome), he lost what little chance he had of success. |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:22 - Sep 4 with 2958 views | giant_stow |
Reading more and more stuff agreeing with you, but not really understanding the thinking - can't he still win an election? |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:23 - Sep 4 with 2943 views | BloomBlue |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:22 - Sep 4 by giant_stow |
Reading more and more stuff agreeing with you, but not really understanding the thinking - can't he still win an election? |
Yes because of one word, 'Corbyn' |  | | |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:28 - Sep 4 with 2920 views | giant_stow |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:23 - Sep 4 by BloomBlue |
Yes because of one word, 'Corbyn' |
And if he openly goes for a hard brexit, no farage to split the vote. I must be missing something. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:29 - Sep 4 with 2910 views | vapour_trail |
I’m not convinced noggin. In an election campaign, I think his brand of ill informed optimism will go well.
I did enjoy ken clarke eviscerating him a little earlier though. |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:34 - Sep 4 with 2879 views | Guthrum |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:22 - Sep 4 by giant_stow |
Reading more and more stuff agreeing with you, but not really understanding the thinking - can't he still win an election? |
He can, but how likely is he to?
Yes, he may pick up some Brexit Party votes by dragging the Conservatives to the No Deal extreme, but, at the same time, he is alienating moderates and swing voters.
There's a good chance he will lose seats in Scotland to the SNP and in the South West to the LibDems. There's some chance the Brexit Party might even grab a seat or two in places like Clacton. Some of the ousted Tories might get back in as independents (e.g. Rory Stewart).
Johnson is hoping to offset that by taking seats in pro-Brexit, usually Labour-supporting areas of the North. But that involves overcoming some big majorities if he wants to win enough for the chance forming another government, let along getting an outright majority. Lots of people in those areas don't have fond memories of the Conservatives from the days of Thatcher, not to mention modern austerity. That's a big cultural block to overcome.
It's a steep hill to climb and I think there's far more chance of a Hung Parliament, probably with Johnson's Conservatives unable to put together a coalition or alliance with sufficient numbers. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:35 - Sep 4 with 2875 views | jas0999 |
Agreed but Corbyn is no better. | | | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:37 - Sep 4 with 2860 views | Guthrum |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:28 - Sep 4 by giant_stow |
And if he openly goes for a hard brexit, no farage to split the vote. I must be missing something. |
A lot of Farage's strength (judging by UKIP voting in 2015) is concentrated in the Fens and around the Thames Estuary - already Conservative areas. That may increase majorities, but won't win new seats. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:50 - Sep 4 with 2787 views | sparks |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:18 - Sep 4 by Guthrum |
As soon as he started promoting no deal (or, at least, a schedule so absurd that would be the inevitable outcome), he lost what little chance he had of success. |
I hope you are right.
However- it is the populist lowest denominator stance and approach. And he can bluster through the obvious lies.
Trump continues to get away with it. Is this country similarly limited in intelligence and thought? Not impossible.... |  |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:55 - Sep 4 with 2750 views | Guthrum |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:50 - Sep 4 by sparks |
I hope you are right.
However- it is the populist lowest denominator stance and approach. And he can bluster through the obvious lies.
Trump continues to get away with it. Is this country similarly limited in intelligence and thought? Not impossible.... |
Yes, altho part of the reason for Trump's success has been the sheer distances in the USA. Foreign affairs are a long way away, even regional issues. They are very aware of their economic strength.
It's very different in the UK. Everything - including the Continent - is much closer. We are all to aware of our economic fragility. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:06 - Sep 4 with 2703 views | Ryorry |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:50 - Sep 4 by sparks |
I hope you are right.
However- it is the populist lowest denominator stance and approach. And he can bluster through the obvious lies.
Trump continues to get away with it. Is this country similarly limited in intelligence and thought? Not impossible.... |
Having heard a few people from the NE^ speak on R5l today I suspect you may be right -
Q "Why do you want to leave without a deal?"
Answers - 1) "Because I'm English 2) Because I want us to show we can stand on our own feet 3) Because we got on alright before we went into the Common Market didn't we 4) Because we pay out to them more than what we get back 5) Because no-one asked me about going in"
^Other areas of the country are available & may speak differently^  |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 with 2685 views | Metal_Hacker |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:06 - Sep 4 by Ryorry |
Having heard a few people from the NE^ speak on R5l today I suspect you may be right -
Q "Why do you want to leave without a deal?"
Answers - 1) "Because I'm English 2) Because I want us to show we can stand on our own feet 3) Because we got on alright before we went into the Common Market didn't we 4) Because we pay out to them more than what we get back 5) Because no-one asked me about going in"
^Other areas of the country are available & may speak differently^ |
That’s just scary .....
This is getting out of control and people really need to start and consider not just themselves and not just the short term ffs |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 with 2676 views | Ryorry |
Hoist by his own p'tard  | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 with 2675 views | GlasgowBlue |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:29 - Sep 4 by vapour_trail |
I’m not convinced noggin. In an election campaign, I think his brand of ill informed optimism will go well.
I did enjoy ken clarke eviscerating him a little earlier though. |
His strategy of nicking labour seats in leave areas is deeply flawed as he will lose 10 seats in Scotland and many more in the south. |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 with 2673 views | noggin |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:06 - Sep 4 by Ryorry |
Having heard a few people from the NE^ speak on R5l today I suspect you may be right -
Q "Why do you want to leave without a deal?"
Answers - 1) "Because I'm English 2) Because I want us to show we can stand on our own feet 3) Because we got on alright before we went into the Common Market didn't we 4) Because we pay out to them more than what we get back 5) Because no-one asked me about going in"
^Other areas of the country are available & may speak differently^ |
Sounds like my own mother, sadly. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:10 - Sep 4 with 2664 views | Ryorry |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 by Metal_Hacker |
That’s just scary .....
This is getting out of control and people really need to start and consider not just themselves and not just the short term ffs |
That might work if everybody had a functioning brain. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:12 - Sep 4 with 2653 views | sparks |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 by GlasgowBlue |
His strategy of nicking labour seats in leave areas is deeply flawed as he will lose 10 seats in Scotland and many more in the south. |
I think and hope that Libdems will go back to doing rather well in the South West as well. Possibly more losses to independents such as Hammond who choose to continue without the whip... | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:18 - Sep 4 with 2594 views | ghostofescobar |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:35 - Sep 4 by jas0999 |
Agreed but Corbyn is no better. |
Cummings entire strategy is based around Corbyn being less popular than Johnson and therefore calculating that the Tories will win the election. Corbyn is probably unelectable on a national level (and I say that as a Labour voter) |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:24 - Sep 4 with 2547 views | BloomBlue |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:08 - Sep 4 by GlasgowBlue |
His strategy of nicking labour seats in leave areas is deeply flawed as he will lose 10 seats in Scotland and many more in the south. |
But Labour will lose many seats to LibDems, it's a counter balance. Based on the current model it will be a hung parliament with the SDP ultimately holding power and the SDP will only form a coalition with the party who will let them have a second referendum. | | | |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:34 - Sep 4 with 2495 views | GlasgowBlue |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:12 - Sep 4 by sparks |
I think and hope that Libdems will go back to doing rather well in the South West as well. Possibly more losses to independents such as Hammond who choose to continue without the whip... |
He is going to have to do a face saving about turn and restore the whip to the rebels. 100 MPs from the one nation wing of the party have written asking him to do so. Expect a goodwill gesture in the name of listening to his colleagues. | |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:41 - Sep 4 with 2459 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:34 - Sep 4 by GlasgowBlue |
He is going to have to do a face saving about turn and restore the whip to the rebels. 100 MPs from the one nation wing of the party have written asking him to do so. Expect a goodwill gesture in the name of listening to his colleagues. |
Not sure how that one works.
He is stuffed if he doesn't restore the whip because most of them will stand, are popular and big names so will either split the vote or possibly win as independents. If he does restore it he is seen as weak and loses the support of those who have warmed to his hard line no deal or bust. He has painted himself into a corner that seems highly unlikely to be able to escape from.
I don't think he wants a general election but somehow seems to think the hollow threat will bring about some support for him. I can't see how his thinking works. |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:45 - Sep 4 with 2415 views | Kropotkin123 |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 20:22 - Sep 4 by giant_stow |
Reading more and more stuff agreeing with you, but not really understanding the thinking - can't he still win an election? |
I think the most likely scenario is a conservative minority government. with the DUP unable to bridge the gap |  |
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| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:46 - Sep 4 with 2414 views | BloomBlue |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:41 - Sep 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure how that one works.
He is stuffed if he doesn't restore the whip because most of them will stand, are popular and big names so will either split the vote or possibly win as independents. If he does restore it he is seen as weak and loses the support of those who have warmed to his hard line no deal or bust. He has painted himself into a corner that seems highly unlikely to be able to escape from.
I don't think he wants a general election but somehow seems to think the hollow threat will bring about some support for him. I can't see how his thinking works. |
Because people distrust Corbyn more than BJ and still see Corbyn as someone who cannot make a decision. If Labour kicked out Corbyn it would change so much but Labour front bench lacks the balls to kick him out. | | | |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:46 - Sep 4 with 2411 views | WeWereZombies |
| BJ is finished before he's even started, isn't he? on 21:24 - Sep 4 by BloomBlue |
But Labour will lose many seats to LibDems, it's a counter balance. Based on the current model it will be a hung parliament with the SDP ultimately holding power and the SDP will only form a coalition with the party who will let them have a second referendum. |
The SDP ceased to exist in 1988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDP%E2%80%93Liberal_Alliance |  |
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