| WBA 2nd goal 23:58 - Feb 10 with 3785 views | itfcbam |
Apart from the poor ball from Edmunsen, am I one of the only ones who think Hladky could have done better with the shot? To me seemed very slow to react to the shot. Was in brilliant form at the start of the season but really feel his form has dipped of late. |  | | |  |
| WBA 2nd goal on 10:49 - Feb 11 with 3014 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
Thought the same at the time as we sit immediately behind the goal. He may have been late getting down to it due to being a bit unsighted though so will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Some reports suggest that the shot got a deflection though didn’t see one in real time. |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 10:55 - Feb 11 with 2969 views | BloomBlue |
Not seen the highlights yet and from my position in the ground it wasn't a clear view, but I thought it took a slight deflection off Luongo's boot as he went to block it. If it did, then that makes it difficult for any defender and if it didn't then you have to question Hladky. |  | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 10:55 - Feb 11 with 2967 views | Nutkins_Return |
Think both debates have been done extensively now. See 'another defensive error' for extensive thread.
I agree - Hladky has to be saving it. [Post edited 11 Feb 10:56]
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| WBA 2nd goal on 11:00 - Feb 11 with 2931 views | patrickswell |
I think we also have to give credit it to Swift for his shot. He placed it superbly, though it's one of those where if Hladky's starting position had been one step further to his right then he would probably have saved it. |  | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:18 - Feb 11 with 2870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I thought that at the time, especially as it was a long way out. But he is unsighted by Wolfy. And, to be fair, it's also a great strike.
And no, I don't think his form as dipped really. He's been outstanding not all that long ago. |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 11:21 - Feb 11 with 2853 views | Keno |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:00 - Feb 11 by patrickswell |
I think we also have to give credit it to Swift for his shot. He placed it superbly, though it's one of those where if Hladky's starting position had been one step further to his right then he would probably have saved it. |
He was sighted by Wolfie and had he been futher right a shot to the other side of the goal would have hard to stop |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 11:31 - Feb 11 with 2806 views | stonojnr |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:18 - Feb 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I thought that at the time, especially as it was a long way out. But he is unsighted by Wolfy. And, to be fair, it's also a great strike.
And no, I don't think his form as dipped really. He's been outstanding not all that long ago. |
Hladky is doing nothing wrong, its the classic got to pick a player to blame for the result thing and the goalie is the last one who stands between the oppostion scoring, so its his fault right if they score, which is nonsense.
the reason we are letting in so many goals, isnt because of the guy standing between the sticks at the moment. | | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:37 - Feb 11 with 2788 views | OsborneOneNil |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:31 - Feb 11 by stonojnr |
Hladky is doing nothing wrong, its the classic got to pick a player to blame for the result thing and the goalie is the last one who stands between the oppostion scoring, so its his fault right if they score, which is nonsense.
the reason we are letting in so many goals, isnt because of the guy standing between the sticks at the moment. |
True, but Vas has to save that. |  | | |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 11:49 - Feb 11 with 2725 views | FrimleyBlue |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:21 - Feb 11 by Keno |
He was sighted by Wolfie and had he been futher right a shot to the other side of the goal would have hard to stop |
But keno. Isn't it on the keeper to move their feet at all times so they can see the ball at all times.
I like hladky. But I don't think it's incorrect to believe he could have done better to perhaps give himself a better chance of saving it. |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 11:50 - Feb 11 with 2745 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
His form has dipped? Did you watch the Leicester or Sunderland games? |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 12:06 - Feb 11 with 2662 views | Keno |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:49 - Feb 11 by FrimleyBlue |
But keno. Isn't it on the keeper to move their feet at all times so they can see the ball at all times.
I like hladky. But I don't think it's incorrect to believe he could have done better to perhaps give himself a better chance of saving it. |
Yes but in real time in a real match a keeper only has a split second
If you slow it down he is moving, trying to see the ball and when he sees it moves
Unfortunately a game isn’t played in slow motion with a replay button
It was also a very well/luckily placed shot, 2inches either way he saves it or it hits the post
Of such margins moments can in retrospect be over analysed to the nnth degree [Post edited 11 Feb 12:07]
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| WBA 2nd goal on 12:26 - Feb 11 with 2579 views | FrimleyBlue |
| WBA 2nd goal on 12:06 - Feb 11 by Keno |
Yes but in real time in a real match a keeper only has a split second
If you slow it down he is moving, trying to see the ball and when he sees it moves
Unfortunately a game isn’t played in slow motion with a replay button
It was also a very well/luckily placed shot, 2inches either way he saves it or it hits the post
Of such margins moments can in retrospect be over analysed to the nnth degree [Post edited 11 Feb 12:07]
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Oh 100% the shot itself was horrid dipped at the worst time too and was spot on.
I was just wondering about the footwork as sky spoke of it a few times across a range of games lately. | |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 12:32 - Feb 11 with 2579 views | Herbivore |
There's been a few lately where I feel he could have done better. He's still been excellent overall but a few times now he's moved just before a shot is hit and it's prevented him saving it. If you watch the first, he moves to his left just before their player shoots and it means rather than sticking a foot out to cover his near post he gets beaten easily. He seemed a little flat footed for the second but it seems he saw it late so understandable. I thought the goals at home against Leicester and Sunderland were down to his positioning, albeit they were good strikes, but he never gave himself a chance of saving them. He's had a superb season but we can't keep conceding from pretty much every shot on target we face and I don't think he's been completely blameless in that. |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 14:19 - Feb 11 with 2432 views | Nutkins_Return |
| WBA 2nd goal on 11:18 - Feb 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I thought that at the time, especially as it was a long way out. But he is unsighted by Wolfy. And, to be fair, it's also a great strike.
And no, I don't think his form as dipped really. He's been outstanding not all that long ago. |
I honestly think the Hladky 'outstanding' rhetoric is massively overplayed. He's been so much better than expected coming in for Walton and he really is very very good with his feet which for a good spell really helped us.
If you take away the stuff with his feet (which overall you shouldn't) he's a very average goalkeeper at just keeping the ball out the net. Nearly every club he's been at he by as a stint and then gets dropped and I believe it's for this reason. To many shots on target are finding their way in and you can't just ignore that.
Teams are really setting traps on him now which has nullified slightly what we do with ball from him and worse he's giving some real gifts to opposition.
Someone mentioned Sunderland above. He was decent although slightly dubious for their opener. But if their lad hadn't missed a sitter with his woeful pass out it's a different conversation. [Post edited 11 Feb 18:40]
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| Careful, his Dad will have a go at you. (n/t) on 14:20 - Feb 11 with 2417 views | Bloots |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 16:19 - Feb 11 with 2266 views | tractor_lady |
| WBA 2nd goal on 14:19 - Feb 11 by Nutkins_Return |
I honestly think the Hladky 'outstanding' rhetoric is massively overplayed. He's been so much better than expected coming in for Walton and he really is very very good with his feet which for a good spell really helped us.
If you take away the stuff with his feet (which overall you shouldn't) he's a very average goalkeeper at just keeping the ball out the net. Nearly every club he's been at he by as a stint and then gets dropped and I believe it's for this reason. To many shots on target are finding their way in and you can't just ignore that.
Teams are really setting traps on him now which has nullified slightly what we do with ball from him and worse he's giving some real gifts to opposition.
Someone mentioned Sunderland above. He was decent although slightly dubious for their opener. But if their lad hadn't missed a sitter with his woeful pass out it's a different conversation. [Post edited 11 Feb 18:40]
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Well I guess if he’s come in for Woolf it’s no wonder he is struggling with positioning 😂 | | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 16:23 - Feb 11 with 2254 views | GeoffSentence |
It looked like a routine save to me.
Hladky's form has dipped, but from a very high level, in the early part of the season, we were getting points because of him. The very first game of the season against Sunderlan for instance, he made 1 or 2 saves he had no right to make and earned us 2 or 3 points just fom his performance. Now he's making the saves you'd expect, mostly, but not making those exceptional ones that make the difference. |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 17:00 - Feb 11 with 2165 views | bournemouthblue |
Hladky has had a good season but Sky have picked out a couple of occasions where his footwork hasn't been great and it's led to some longer shots going in
He does get a bit flat footed at times, sometimes pre-empting where the shot is going, obviously that can work for him as well
I think in fairness to swift it was inch perfect, right in the corner and the bounce before didn't help
Walton hasn't exactly pulled up trees in the cup fixtures when he has started though |  |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 18:39 - Feb 11 with 2023 views | Nutkins_Return |
| WBA 2nd goal on 16:19 - Feb 11 by tractor_lady |
Well I guess if he’s come in for Woolf it’s no wonder he is struggling with positioning 😂 |
I've edited but acknowledging this spot on my brainfart🤣 | | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 18:41 - Feb 11 with 2008 views | Nutkins_Return |
| WBA 2nd goal on 17:00 - Feb 11 by bournemouthblue |
Hladky has had a good season but Sky have picked out a couple of occasions where his footwork hasn't been great and it's led to some longer shots going in
He does get a bit flat footed at times, sometimes pre-empting where the shot is going, obviously that can work for him as well
I think in fairness to swift it was inch perfect, right in the corner and the bounce before didn't help
Walton hasn't exactly pulled up trees in the cup fixtures when he has started though |
I think Walton is a better keeper but you are right in terms of the cup games. We would need to accept he might be rusty. And there is definitely an argument not to take that risk. Personally I would because heading into playoffs I would be much happier having Walton up to speed. | | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 19:03 - Feb 11 with 1948 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| WBA 2nd goal on 18:41 - Feb 11 by Nutkins_Return |
I think Walton is a better keeper but you are right in terms of the cup games. We would need to accept he might be rusty. And there is definitely an argument not to take that risk. Personally I would because heading into playoffs I would be much happier having Walton up to speed. |
Would that mean that we then have to change from playing out from the back. I am not sure that a complete change of style mid season would go well ( playoffs may not be an issue ). |  | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 19:06 - Feb 11 with 1931 views | bournemouthblue |
| WBA 2nd goal on 18:41 - Feb 11 by Nutkins_Return |
I think Walton is a better keeper but you are right in terms of the cup games. We would need to accept he might be rusty. And there is definitely an argument not to take that risk. Personally I would because heading into playoffs I would be much happier having Walton up to speed. |
I agree that purely from a goalkeeping perspective, he is a more complete keeper than Hladky, however Hladky does suit this passing out from the back
Whether that is justification enough to pick him is a different debate
It was almost unimaginable that Walton wouldn't get back in the side last season, he was undroppable
Hladky himself looked similarly loose in the cup games he also played | |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 11:57 - Feb 12 with 1577 views | tractor_lady |
| WBA 2nd goal on 18:39 - Feb 11 by Nutkins_Return |
I've edited but acknowledging this spot on my brainfart🤣 |
Made my day anyways! Now I know I’m not alone in thr brain fart arena! | | | |
| WBA 2nd goal on 12:07 - Feb 12 with 1533 views | pointofblue |
| WBA 2nd goal on 12:32 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
There's been a few lately where I feel he could have done better. He's still been excellent overall but a few times now he's moved just before a shot is hit and it's prevented him saving it. If you watch the first, he moves to his left just before their player shoots and it means rather than sticking a foot out to cover his near post he gets beaten easily. He seemed a little flat footed for the second but it seems he saw it late so understandable. I thought the goals at home against Leicester and Sunderland were down to his positioning, albeit they were good strikes, but he never gave himself a chance of saving them. He's had a superb season but we can't keep conceding from pretty much every shot on target we face and I don't think he's been completely blameless in that. |
I wasn't sure whether he could have done better with their first either. It was directed at his near post. | |
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| WBA 2nd goal on 12:23 - Feb 12 with 1491 views | BoxerBlue |
Harness looked very very lightweight and should be doing much more with the ball from fridge all in all a very poor goal with all 3 players Vas Harness and fridge at fault |  |
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