| Tony Blair knighted on 10:42 - Jan 1 with 1919 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
The funniest one was Joanna Lumley being so utterly delighted and surprised at being made a dame (after writing a book about how amazingly brilliant the Queen is). |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 10:45 - Jan 1 with 1917 views | StokieBlue |
| Tony Blair knighted on 23:55 - Dec 31 by blueconscience |
A War Criminal and Scaremongers Knighted 
This country is becoming a joke
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Absolutely awful post.
Whitty and Van Tam absolutely deserve their honours.
Whitty especially has done an incredible job over the last 22 months.
This new narrative being pushed of them being scaremongers is disgraceful.
SB [Post edited 1 Jan 2022 10:52]
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| Tony Blair knighted on 11:08 - Jan 1 with 1867 views | vapour_trail |
| Tony Blair knighted on 00:18 - Jan 1 by itfcjoe |
Well deserved, great to see the Queen thinks so to |
Fck off.
He is a war criminal.
He should be in prison, he delivered death, destruction and misery to millions of people. |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 11:18 - Jan 1 with 1856 views | factual_blue |
| Tony Blair knighted on 11:08 - Jan 1 by vapour_trail |
Fck off.
He is a war criminal.
He should be in prison, he delivered death, destruction and misery to millions of people. |
That's true of any politician involved in a war though.
A War Criminal is somebody who has committed one or more of a very precise set of offences.
He hasn't been, and never will be, charged with any war crimes.
Your assertion is, of course, potentially libellous. If you have evidence, however, I'd suggest this link
https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/war-crimes/af/report-a-w |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 11:29 - Jan 1 with 1837 views | factual_blue |
Long overdue. | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 11:33 - Jan 1 with 1834 views | vapour_trail |
Incorrect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
He falls foul of plenty on here, but victors in war are rarely pursued for their crimes.
You, Joe and others applauding this nonsense are apologists for murder.
Edit: and who TF is Lord Snooty. [Post edited 1 Jan 2022 11:34]
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| Tony Blair knighted on 11:39 - Jan 1 with 1800 views | itfcjoe |
| Tony Blair knighted on 11:33 - Jan 1 by vapour_trail |
Incorrect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
He falls foul of plenty on here, but victors in war are rarely pursued for their crimes.
You, Joe and others applauding this nonsense are apologists for murder.
Edit: and who TF is Lord Snooty. [Post edited 1 Jan 2022 11:34]
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You can say it as many times as you want but it isn't true that he is a war criminal |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 11:47 - Jan 1 with 1763 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 23:45 - Dec 31 by WD19 |
For services to TWTD by triggering Darth. |
Ha! To be honest it was when he was made a saint that I really lost it.
This looks a fairly routine honour but depressing his criminal handling of Iraq hasn’t disqualified him. |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 12:10 - Jan 1 with 1721 views | Churchman |
| Tony Blair knighted on 11:39 - Jan 1 by itfcjoe |
You can say it as many times as you want but it isn't true that he is a war criminal |
Regardless of the terminology, in my view Blair led us into a war based on lies, ignorance and deceit that cost the lives of 10s of 1000s and destabilised a whole region. He is defined by it, even if he has made stacks of money off the back of it.
I presume he was given an honour for being a Prime Minister. Most are offered something, including nazi loving David Lloyd George. |  | | |
| Tony Blair knighted on 12:12 - Jan 1 with 1719 views | factual_blue |
| Tony Blair knighted on 11:33 - Jan 1 by vapour_trail |
Incorrect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
He falls foul of plenty on here, but victors in war are rarely pursued for their crimes.
You, Joe and others applauding this nonsense are apologists for murder.
Edit: and who TF is Lord Snooty. [Post edited 1 Jan 2022 11:34]
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You're making the schoolboy error of confusing 'a war I was opposed to' with 'committing war crimes'.
Yes, bad things happen in wars, but that's war. Doesn't make those bad things war crimes. | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 12:57 - Jan 1 with 1641 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 12:10 - Jan 1 by Churchman |
Regardless of the terminology, in my view Blair led us into a war based on lies, ignorance and deceit that cost the lives of 10s of 1000s and destabilised a whole region. He is defined by it, even if he has made stacks of money off the back of it.
I presume he was given an honour for being a Prime Minister. Most are offered something, including nazi loving David Lloyd George. |
Well said.
War criminal or not, Blair should be established as a disgraced ex-PM. The fact that he’s almost entirely rehabilitated and indeed venerated by too many is to our own national discredit.
It’s that sort of lazy morality and disregarding of standards that paved the way for Johnson. We knew who Johnson was but we didn’t care. Or at least didn’t care enough. | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 13:20 - Jan 1 with 1585 views | itfcjoe |
| Tony Blair knighted on 12:57 - Jan 1 by Darth_Koont |
Well said.
War criminal or not, Blair should be established as a disgraced ex-PM. The fact that he’s almost entirely rehabilitated and indeed venerated by too many is to our own national discredit.
It’s that sort of lazy morality and disregarding of standards that paved the way for Johnson. We knew who Johnson was but we didn’t care. Or at least didn’t care enough. |
He's hardly almost entirely rehabilitated is he? | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 13:22 - Jan 1 with 1568 views | XYZ |
| Tony Blair knighted on 12:57 - Jan 1 by Darth_Koont |
Well said.
War criminal or not, Blair should be established as a disgraced ex-PM. The fact that he’s almost entirely rehabilitated and indeed venerated by too many is to our own national discredit.
It’s that sort of lazy morality and disregarding of standards that paved the way for Johnson. We knew who Johnson was but we didn’t care. Or at least didn’t care enough. |
"Blair led to Johnson."
Your logic has misfunctioned, I think.
I can't see any evidence here (or elsewhere) of him being "venerated" by anyone. |  | | |
| Tony Blair knighted on 13:23 - Jan 1 with 1565 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 13:20 - Jan 1 by itfcjoe |
He's hardly almost entirely rehabilitated is he? |
Go on ... | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 13:36 - Jan 1 with 1515 views | Radlett_blue |
| Tony Blair knighted on 12:10 - Jan 1 by Churchman |
Regardless of the terminology, in my view Blair led us into a war based on lies, ignorance and deceit that cost the lives of 10s of 1000s and destabilised a whole region. He is defined by it, even if he has made stacks of money off the back of it.
I presume he was given an honour for being a Prime Minister. Most are offered something, including nazi loving David Lloyd George. |
I believe this has now paced the way for titles to be given (or offered) to Gordon Brown & then David Cameron. The convention is that ex-PMs should only be offered knighthoods in strict order of seniority. |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 13:46 - Jan 1 with 1489 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don’t see how anyone can be surprised by this given how long he served as PM. The only surprise is how long it took. |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 13:48 - Jan 1 with 1487 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 13:22 - Jan 1 by XYZ |
"Blair led to Johnson."
Your logic has misfunctioned, I think.
I can't see any evidence here (or elsewhere) of him being "venerated" by anyone. |
Exhibit A
Yes, there’s a connection to Blair. In any functioning democracy the integrity and honesty of those in office is critical but we let Blair off the hook for Iraq and let him dodge and discredit the Chilcott inquiry findings. Now he’s wheeled out by the BBC to give his supposedly impartial, statesmanlike opinions on any and all subjects.
We’ve got to have higher standards than that. Surely? | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 13:51 - Jan 1 with 1479 views | footers |
| Tony Blair knighted on 13:48 - Jan 1 by Darth_Koont |
Exhibit A
Yes, there’s a connection to Blair. In any functioning democracy the integrity and honesty of those in office is critical but we let Blair off the hook for Iraq and let him dodge and discredit the Chilcott inquiry findings. Now he’s wheeled out by the BBC to give his supposedly impartial, statesmanlike opinions on any and all subjects.
We’ve got to have higher standards than that. Surely? |
'Labour's greatest Prime Minister'?!
What in the name of fck am I reading? |  |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 14:02 - Jan 1 with 1437 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 13:51 - Jan 1 by footers |
'Labour's greatest Prime Minister'?!
What in the name of fck am I reading? |
Apparently the world owes him a debt of gratitude too ... 😬
The Labour Right is not a cult. Repeat after me, the Labour Right is not a cult. | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 14:25 - Jan 1 with 1394 views | factual_blue |
| Tony Blair knighted on 10:45 - Jan 1 by StokieBlue |
Absolutely awful post.
Whitty and Van Tam absolutely deserve their honours.
Whitty especially has done an incredible job over the last 22 months.
This new narrative being pushed of them being scaremongers is disgraceful.
SB [Post edited 1 Jan 2022 10:52]
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The new narrative is for the light of thinking.
#52percenters | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 14:37 - Jan 1 with 1358 views | XYZ |
| Tony Blair knighted on 14:02 - Jan 1 by Darth_Koont |
Apparently the world owes him a debt of gratitude too ... 😬
The Labour Right is not a cult. Repeat after me, the Labour Right is not a cult. |
What do you think was the UK's best (i.e. implementing the most good policies) government post-1960?
Wilson in '66- '70 did some good things, but '97 to '07 was a gamechanger across many areas. Personally I give most of the credit to Gordon Brown, but you've got to be in power and that means winning elections ... | | | |
| Tony Blair knighted on 15:02 - Jan 1 with 1312 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Credit where it’s due I suppose - Blair cemented a legacy of revulsion from those on the left and the right, so in a way he’s brought people together 😀 | | | |
| Tony Blair knighted on 15:11 - Jan 1 with 1284 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 14:37 - Jan 1 by XYZ |
What do you think was the UK's best (i.e. implementing the most good policies) government post-1960?
Wilson in '66- '70 did some good things, but '97 to '07 was a gamechanger across many areas. Personally I give most of the credit to Gordon Brown, but you've got to be in power and that means winning elections ... |
Labour had 13 years and won 3 elections. Even Brown admits they should have done a lot more about structural inequality in the UK.
It was better than the Tories but a massively wasted opportunity that set in motion the last 10 years – and now the complete void of a solution to those divisions and our shonky, unbalanced economy.
This isn’t a party political or electoral issue for me. It’s about a country that’s losing (arguably has lost) its way forward. And our belief that all we need is the Tories out and Tory Lite in isn’t just naive, it’s dangerous.
If our politics can’t or won’t actually address the socio-economic reality of the country and its future then we’re on a rocky path, at least for the many millions of the UK’s citizens who need reality-based policies rather than free-market hopes and dreams. | |
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| Tony Blair knighted on 15:33 - Jan 1 with 1228 views | XYZ |
| Tony Blair knighted on 15:11 - Jan 1 by Darth_Koont |
Labour had 13 years and won 3 elections. Even Brown admits they should have done a lot more about structural inequality in the UK.
It was better than the Tories but a massively wasted opportunity that set in motion the last 10 years – and now the complete void of a solution to those divisions and our shonky, unbalanced economy.
This isn’t a party political or electoral issue for me. It’s about a country that’s losing (arguably has lost) its way forward. And our belief that all we need is the Tories out and Tory Lite in isn’t just naive, it’s dangerous.
If our politics can’t or won’t actually address the socio-economic reality of the country and its future then we’re on a rocky path, at least for the many millions of the UK’s citizens who need reality-based policies rather than free-market hopes and dreams. |
You didn't answer the question.
In the real world you can only change things if you're in government.
I suspect we agree on most policies, but it's whistling in the wind if the government that's elected has no interest in those policies.
"Brown admits they should have done more ..." is just avoiding commenting on what they did achieve.
The UK electorate is one of the the least politically intelligent and most suggestible amongst western democracies. Hence Brexit and Johnson. One can sit in the corner and spout out socialist policies that would be widely beneficial if adopted, but one way or another it's irrelevant unless you get a government elected that's going to implement, at least, something approaching those policies.
Blair is the only person since 1966 to achieve that in the UK. | | | |
| Tony Blair knighted on 16:57 - Jan 1 with 1171 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tony Blair knighted on 15:33 - Jan 1 by XYZ |
You didn't answer the question.
In the real world you can only change things if you're in government.
I suspect we agree on most policies, but it's whistling in the wind if the government that's elected has no interest in those policies.
"Brown admits they should have done more ..." is just avoiding commenting on what they did achieve.
The UK electorate is one of the the least politically intelligent and most suggestible amongst western democracies. Hence Brexit and Johnson. One can sit in the corner and spout out socialist policies that would be widely beneficial if adopted, but one way or another it's irrelevant unless you get a government elected that's going to implement, at least, something approaching those policies.
Blair is the only person since 1966 to achieve that in the UK. |
I think we’re talking a little at cross-purposes here. But I suppose it comes down to the conundrum of whether you get the government you need by voting someone in and hoping they change or by getting politicians to shift the debate and lead on the issues so that an electorate is more able to vote for the government they need.
I’m not convinced that the elect first and worry later has paid off at all over the years. In fact, things have only been getting worse.
Blair of course got elected by carrying traditional Labour voters with him in Scotland and the North. But those voters were steadily lost from that point on, mainly due to a Labour government wasting its opportunity to reverse the general decline in those regions. The only way those voters come back or Labour replaces them with others is by creating a vision that addresses the mistakes of the past and puts investment in society and the economy back to the fore of politics. The current Labour vision is effectively “more of the same but not as bad as the Tories, honest”.
I don’t see why anyone apart from the secure, home-owning, white, middle-aged, middle-class, middle England media and a sizeable core of the similar electorate will see that as a good thing. Because it looks after their interests and makes them feel OK.
Might be harsh but that’s how people generally think in a political void. | |
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