| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do 09:47 - Jul 11 with 2291 views | ElderGrizzly |
Official Government line this morning
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:50 - Jul 11 with 1577 views | StokieBlue |
He's just said that on Marr as well.
Ridiculous mixed messages from the government. Other ministers saying totally the opposite thing.
He was on straight after the modeller who said we could see 2000 hospitalisations a day, let's hope that's a very worst case scenario.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:53 - Jul 11 with 1554 views | TractorWood |
The guidance is pretty clear to me. Fend for yourself. |  |
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:57 - Jul 11 with 1522 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:50 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue |
He's just said that on Marr as well.
Ridiculous mixed messages from the government. Other ministers saying totally the opposite thing.
He was on straight after the modeller who said we could see 2000 hospitalisations a day, let's hope that's a very worst case scenario.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:58 - Jul 11 with 1514 views | Tonytown |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:53 - Jul 11 by TractorWood |
The guidance is pretty clear to me. Fend for yourself. |
And hope that others wear masks as well which of course is outside of your control.
It wouldn’t have been hard to keep the mask rule for another month to see what happens to cases in that time with the other measures going.
Got to hand it to Boris, he wants to see his variant spreading doesn’t he. What a bellend |  | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:59 - Jul 11 with 1510 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:53 - Jul 11 by TractorWood |
The guidance is pretty clear to me. Fend for yourself. |
Yep. And their defence will be “look at our vaccine programme”
While Covid ravages hospitals again and hospital waiting lists top 13m from 4 million now.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:03 - Jul 11 with 1482 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:58 - Jul 11 by Tonytown |
And hope that others wear masks as well which of course is outside of your control.
It wouldn’t have been hard to keep the mask rule for another month to see what happens to cases in that time with the other measures going.
Got to hand it to Boris, he wants to see his variant spreading doesn’t he. What a bellend |
And so simple too, to keep them in certain indoor spaces.
It looks like private companies are doing their work for them with the majority of airlines, buses and train companies saying it will be a condition of travel.
I can certainly see a market for restaurants and similar to boast they have a mask policy to attract customers as much as those (Wetherspoons) that will say the opposite.
The ‘killer’ for any business who doesn’t want them will be the increased risk of spikes and local Government will simply shut them down for a period due to track and trace data. | | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:06 - Jul 11 with 1474 views | StokieBlue |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:03 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly |
And so simple too, to keep them in certain indoor spaces.
It looks like private companies are doing their work for them with the majority of airlines, buses and train companies saying it will be a condition of travel.
I can certainly see a market for restaurants and similar to boast they have a mask policy to attract customers as much as those (Wetherspoons) that will say the opposite.
The ‘killer’ for any business who doesn’t want them will be the increased risk of spikes and local Government will simply shut them down for a period due to track and trace data. |
"It looks like private companies are doing their work for them with the majority of airlines, buses and train companies saying it will be a condition of travel."
The worry here is that there will be a certain element who will routinely attempt to use these services (as well as hospitality establishments requiring masks) without masks or distancing just to make a point about government rules and it's likely to cause some issues in my opinion.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:07 - Jul 11 with 1464 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:58 - Jul 11 by Tonytown |
And hope that others wear masks as well which of course is outside of your control.
It wouldn’t have been hard to keep the mask rule for another month to see what happens to cases in that time with the other measures going.
Got to hand it to Boris, he wants to see his variant spreading doesn’t he. What a bellend |
The worst case scenario from all of this is only a higher chance that a mutation develops which vaccines don't work against, so there's not really much risk attached.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:09 - Jul 11 with 1441 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:06 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue |
"It looks like private companies are doing their work for them with the majority of airlines, buses and train companies saying it will be a condition of travel."
The worry here is that there will be a certain element who will routinely attempt to use these services (as well as hospitality establishments requiring masks) without masks or distancing just to make a point about government rules and it's likely to cause some issues in my opinion.
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Oh there will, but as it forms conditions of travel or your ‘contract’ it supercedes any mask ‘law’.
Idiots and the selfish will still be idiots and selfish | | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:09 - Jul 11 with 1444 views | BlueBadger |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:06 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue |
"It looks like private companies are doing their work for them with the majority of airlines, buses and train companies saying it will be a condition of travel."
The worry here is that there will be a certain element who will routinely attempt to use these services (as well as hospitality establishments requiring masks) without masks or distancing just to make a point about government rules and it's likely to cause some issues in my opinion.
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Landlord and landlady at my local are looking at ways of mitigating this and have settled on a 'we're keeping table service and no sitting/standing at the bar' rule. |  |
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:13 - Jul 11 with 1414 views | StokieBlue |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:07 - Jul 11 by ThisIsMyUsername |
The worst case scenario from all of this is only a higher chance that a mutation develops which vaccines don't work against, so there's not really much risk attached.
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EG, any idea how seriously scientists think this could happen? Genuine worry or just an outside possibility? If genuine worry why are the government risking it? Money? Surely longer term it would be more financially devastating and would pretty much ruin life for years to come. |
Given a big enough pool of infection and time it is inevitable a vaccine resistant variant would emerge (it might have already but it might be less transmissible this would have been outcompeted).
That is why we need to vaccinate the world.
Of course we don't know the values for the variables of pool size and time, both could be very large which would be the best case scenario.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:13 - Jul 11 with 1409 views | WD19 |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:07 - Jul 11 by ThisIsMyUsername |
The worst case scenario from all of this is only a higher chance that a mutation develops which vaccines don't work against, so there's not really much risk attached.
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EG, any idea how seriously scientists think this could happen? Genuine worry or just an outside possibility? If genuine worry why are the government risking it? Money? Surely longer term it would be more financially devastating and would pretty much ruin life for years to come. |
Most of the rest of the world is unvaccinated, so endless mutation is probably inevitable.
I am hoping that with each mutation the virus might become less deadly. Isn’t there some thing about viruses evolving to become more transmissible, but less deadly because they don’t want to finish off their host!? |  | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:20 - Jul 11 with 1383 views | Ryorry |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:59 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly |
Yep. And their defence will be “look at our vaccine programme”
While Covid ravages hospitals again and hospital waiting lists top 13m from 4 million now.
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Well he's ignoring the data available to him then (I know, so what's new) that even double-vaxxed people can become seriously ill, hospitalised and die -
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:42 - Jul 11 with 1323 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:09 - Jul 11 by BlueBadger |
Landlord and landlady at my local are looking at ways of mitigating this and have settled on a 'we're keeping table service and no sitting/standing at the bar' rule. |
You can guarantee we will see an explosion of “bellends with camera” all over social media and outlets like GBNews saying they were ‘banned’ from going to and in places | | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:45 - Jul 11 with 1307 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:13 - Jul 11 by WD19 |
Most of the rest of the world is unvaccinated, so endless mutation is probably inevitable.
I am hoping that with each mutation the virus might become less deadly. Isn’t there some thing about viruses evolving to become more transmissible, but less deadly because they don’t want to finish off their host!? |
Yes, too deadly you kill off your hosts.
A number of the leading scientists do believe we’ll see vaccine resistant mutations and the more virus in circulation and mixing from different parts of the world is the perfect petri dish to do so | | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:50 - Jul 11 with 1292 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:45 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly |
Yes, too deadly you kill off your hosts.
A number of the leading scientists do believe we’ll see vaccine resistant mutations and the more virus in circulation and mixing from different parts of the world is the perfect petri dish to do so |
But could they just become things we live with in an open society, like if a totally vaccine resistant flu variant came along for example? Obviously Covid has added long-term risks so the two hypotheticals aren't strictly comparable.
Appreciate you're not a scientist. | |
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:52 - Jul 11 with 1281 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:09 - Jul 11 by BlueBadger |
Landlord and landlady at my local are looking at ways of mitigating this and have settled on a 'we're keeping table service and no sitting/standing at the bar' rule. |
My regular haunt in Ipswich is doing the same. Simply, they don't want their staff out at risk by facing punters at the bar. Brave decision, as it will cost them money, but I applaud it, and will make sure they get my beer spend. | | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:59 - Jul 11 with 1255 views | StokieBlue |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:13 - Jul 11 by WD19 |
Most of the rest of the world is unvaccinated, so endless mutation is probably inevitable.
I am hoping that with each mutation the virus might become less deadly. Isn’t there some thing about viruses evolving to become more transmissible, but less deadly because they don’t want to finish off their host!? |
There is a general rule about viruses whereby they do mutate to become less deadly but it's not the hard and fast rule that some people tend to throw about on social media.
Viruses like MERS and SARS started off with a far higher mortality rate than C19 and also a far lower R so they for them they would have needed to mutate to become less deadly because they aren't good at infecting - they didn't do this in time and thus they killed off their hosts before they could take hold.
C19 is a bit different, it's highly infectious (R>7 for the delta variant) but not as deadly thus it can kill but it will infect a lot of people before that. There is huge scope for C19 to become more deadly because with an R>7 a host can infect people pretty rapidly and then be killed off. In the end the virus doesn't care about it's grandchildren, just replicating and infecting - once that is does it doesn't care about the host.
It's so much more infectious now than it was that it has some scope for various mutations both more deadly and less deadly.
Maybe someone will have some papers which explain it better they could post.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:01 - Jul 11 with 1239 views | wkj |
"If you are poor, then please socialise without masks and social distancing, if you are middle class or rich, then carry protecting yourselves." |  |
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:05 - Jul 11 with 1221 views | NthQldITFC |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:07 - Jul 11 by ThisIsMyUsername |
The worst case scenario from all of this is only a higher chance that a mutation develops which vaccines don't work against, so there's not really much risk attached.
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You could have put a bit more work into your acrostic!
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:07 - Jul 11 with 1201 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:52 - Jul 11 by Freddies_Ears |
My regular haunt in Ipswich is doing the same. Simply, they don't want their staff out at risk by facing punters at the bar. Brave decision, as it will cost them money, but I applaud it, and will make sure they get my beer spend. |
More to the point they don’t want to have to close because all staff have been told to self isolate. |  |
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:22 - Jul 11 with 1155 views | factual_blue |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 10:09 - Jul 11 by BlueBadger |
Landlord and landlady at my local are looking at ways of mitigating this and have settled on a 'we're keeping table service and no sitting/standing at the bar' rule. |
Pub I used to visit in Manchester was proper old school: bells on the wall to press for Mad Paul to come and take your orders. He was called Mad Paul because he was a United fan in a pub a short stroll from Maine Road.
Five pints of Hyde's Bitter for £1.
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:28 - Jul 11 with 1134 views | radiogaga |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 09:57 - Jul 11 by ElderGrizzly |
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Whateley just seems to be one of a whole generation of modern time ministers with no discernable talent who say the first thing that comes into their head/ hope it will stick.
If the guidance is going to be that we are expected to wear masks in indoor spaces, you really have to question why the working from home requirement is being removed. The idea of wanting everybody back in their offices at once, plus the mask expectation, simply makes no sense whatsoever. |  |
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| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:31 - Jul 11 with 1117 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:28 - Jul 11 by radiogaga |
Whateley just seems to be one of a whole generation of modern time ministers with no discernable talent who say the first thing that comes into their head/ hope it will stick.
If the guidance is going to be that we are expected to wear masks in indoor spaces, you really have to question why the working from home requirement is being removed. The idea of wanting everybody back in their offices at once, plus the mask expectation, simply makes no sense whatsoever. |
They are politicians who will say whatever Boris Johnson wants and whatever advances their career.
Also See Lucy Frazer | | | |
| Wear a mask, but don’t, but do on 11:36 - Jul 11 with 1107 views | factual_blue |
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