Alternative vaccine priority 07:19 - Nov 10 with 2985 views | bluelagos | Reports that the govt has 40m doses on order. That means we will have 25m people left. So can I propose the following groups are left unvaccinated. Anti-vaccers. They are happy, more to go round. Conspiracy theorists. Why give it to people who think it isnt real? Norfolk residents. Low rates of infection and minimal interaction with non family members likely to remain. Any groups I've missed? [Post edited 10 Nov 2020 7:31]
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:21 - Nov 10 with 1847 views | BanksterDebtSlave | Cyclists.....far too shouty and too many of them! | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:23 - Nov 10 with 1844 views | The_Major | Worse than that I'm afraid. Raab has just said everyone needs two doses, so that leaves out 45m of us. | | | |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:30 - Nov 10 with 1823 views | bluelagos |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:21 - Nov 10 by BanksterDebtSlave | Cyclists.....far too shouty and too many of them! |
I hope you are refering to thoee disturbing your weekend peace rather than those making noise on the interweb. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:35 - Nov 10 with 1802 views | mikeybloo88 | The order being suggested seemed fairly sensible to me, although if educational establishments are a top priority to keep open I'd also have had teachers/lecturers high on the list. Anyone who tows a caravan should immediately go to the bottom of the list, even if they teach... | | | |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:38 - Nov 10 with 1803 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:23 - Nov 10 by The_Major | Worse than that I'm afraid. Raab has just said everyone needs two doses, so that leaves out 45m of us. |
My twitter feed and instagram was full of what are normally sane people saying it was rushed and they don't want it. Plenty referring to Thalidomide too. Most wanted to wait 3 or 4 years for it. So I think we'll be ok. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:41 - Nov 10 with 1793 views | StokieBlue |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:38 - Nov 10 by Cheltenham_Blue | My twitter feed and instagram was full of what are normally sane people saying it was rushed and they don't want it. Plenty referring to Thalidomide too. Most wanted to wait 3 or 4 years for it. So I think we'll be ok. |
It's not been that rushed though, no adverse reactions in a sample size of 44000 is pretty clear. It's also not approved yet. It needs to go through the next stages of the process. It's fine if people wish to wait, those people can continue in lockdown for 3 or 4 years. Essentially what they really want is to benefit from the herd immunity of everyone else having it and that's essentially a selfish position. All the benefits whilst shifting any perceived risk to other people. SB | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:44 - Nov 10 with 1782 views | bluelagos |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:38 - Nov 10 by Cheltenham_Blue | My twitter feed and instagram was full of what are normally sane people saying it was rushed and they don't want it. Plenty referring to Thalidomide too. Most wanted to wait 3 or 4 years for it. So I think we'll be ok. |
Yeah, I have zero issue with anyone who doesn't wish to take any offered vaccine. Let them make their choice and take whatever risks they choose too. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:45 - Nov 10 with 1777 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:41 - Nov 10 by StokieBlue | It's not been that rushed though, no adverse reactions in a sample size of 44000 is pretty clear. It's also not approved yet. It needs to go through the next stages of the process. It's fine if people wish to wait, those people can continue in lockdown for 3 or 4 years. Essentially what they really want is to benefit from the herd immunity of everyone else having it and that's essentially a selfish position. All the benefits whilst shifting any perceived risk to other people. SB |
Completely agree with you. Just saying what was all over my feeds last night. More people than I imagined are likely to refuse it initially. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:46 - Nov 10 with 1771 views | bluelagos |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:41 - Nov 10 by StokieBlue | It's not been that rushed though, no adverse reactions in a sample size of 44000 is pretty clear. It's also not approved yet. It needs to go through the next stages of the process. It's fine if people wish to wait, those people can continue in lockdown for 3 or 4 years. Essentially what they really want is to benefit from the herd immunity of everyone else having it and that's essentially a selfish position. All the benefits whilst shifting any perceived risk to other people. SB |
Exactly. Why stress? Let them wait for a couple of years. No wahala. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 07:49 - Nov 10 with 1746 views | Bluefish | Lambert inners | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:20 - Nov 10 with 1712 views | homer_123 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:41 - Nov 10 by StokieBlue | It's not been that rushed though, no adverse reactions in a sample size of 44000 is pretty clear. It's also not approved yet. It needs to go through the next stages of the process. It's fine if people wish to wait, those people can continue in lockdown for 3 or 4 years. Essentially what they really want is to benefit from the herd immunity of everyone else having it and that's essentially a selfish position. All the benefits whilst shifting any perceived risk to other people. SB |
Can we just not get ahead of ourselves. That said Pfizers trial is looking good - even so: It's not been peer reviewed, we don't know how long antibodies last, we don't know how the drug fairs against mild vs severe cases of Covid and we don't know how effective it is with the more vulnerable population groups either. Also, as I posted earlier. All that being said - I bloody hope this is drug is what we need. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:24 - Nov 10 with 1697 views | StokieBlue |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:20 - Nov 10 by homer_123 | Can we just not get ahead of ourselves. That said Pfizers trial is looking good - even so: It's not been peer reviewed, we don't know how long antibodies last, we don't know how the drug fairs against mild vs severe cases of Covid and we don't know how effective it is with the more vulnerable population groups either. Also, as I posted earlier. All that being said - I bloody hope this is drug is what we need. |
I said in my post it's not yet been through the process which obviously includes peer review. Nothing will be done until that's been undertaken. I don't think I implied it would. On your second point, in a sample size of 44000 they should have picked up instances of both light and severe covid assuming random sampling. Obviously the results will be examined thoroughly. I'll try and find time to read their actual publications thus far today. SB | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:25 - Nov 10 with 1691 views | stickymockwell |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:20 - Nov 10 by homer_123 | Can we just not get ahead of ourselves. That said Pfizers trial is looking good - even so: It's not been peer reviewed, we don't know how long antibodies last, we don't know how the drug fairs against mild vs severe cases of Covid and we don't know how effective it is with the more vulnerable population groups either. Also, as I posted earlier. All that being said - I bloody hope this is drug is what we need. |
And it could give many old men an erection? | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:33 - Nov 10 with 1673 views | homer_123 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:25 - Nov 10 by stickymockwell | And it could give many old men an erection? |
Facters might be happy? | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:33 - Nov 10 with 1675 views | Swansea_Blue |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:23 - Nov 10 by The_Major | Worse than that I'm afraid. Raab has just said everyone needs two doses, so that leaves out 45m of us. |
Yep, although I thought it was 30m doses on order, enough to vaccinate 15m of us. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:34 - Nov 10 with 1673 views | homer_123 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:24 - Nov 10 by StokieBlue | I said in my post it's not yet been through the process which obviously includes peer review. Nothing will be done until that's been undertaken. I don't think I implied it would. On your second point, in a sample size of 44000 they should have picked up instances of both light and severe covid assuming random sampling. Obviously the results will be examined thoroughly. I'll try and find time to read their actual publications thus far today. SB |
SB, wasn't implying, at all, that you had suggested anything would happen without it being fully reviewed. I was merely posting some thoughts and link to issues with an existing vaccine. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:46 - Nov 10 with 1632 views | factual_blue | Leave voters. Tories. Cyclists. Motorcyclists. Papists. Rapists. Papist Rapists. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:49 - Nov 10 with 1633 views | Pinewoodblue | Have a suspicion that the elderly/ vulnerable will actually get the Oxford vaccine assuming it passes all tests and is approved for use. Pfizer vaccine needs to be stored at a very low temperature and you apparently need to rest for 15 minutes after taking it which suggests there is a strong immediate reaction. Guess that is connected to the fact something stored at -70c is injected into your system, must have one hell of a kick. They have always said that it was likely different age groups would have different vaccines. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:56 - Nov 10 with 1616 views | CoachRob |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:34 - Nov 10 by homer_123 | SB, wasn't implying, at all, that you had suggested anything would happen without it being fully reviewed. I was merely posting some thoughts and link to issues with an existing vaccine. |
Is it right to say that the inactivated vaccine candidate CoronaVac developed in China is a different technology to the RNA vaccine candidate which was developed by Pfizer/BioNTech? Undoubtedly there will be some reservation with so much misinformation from the anti-vaxx cult, as one poster pointed out, however, vaccines are among our best medicines and on this one we have to trust our peer-review system and regulators to get it right. | | | |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:59 - Nov 10 with 1609 views | hype313 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 07:38 - Nov 10 by Cheltenham_Blue | My twitter feed and instagram was full of what are normally sane people saying it was rushed and they don't want it. Plenty referring to Thalidomide too. Most wanted to wait 3 or 4 years for it. So I think we'll be ok. |
The thing about all this rushed talk is that we have never had the worlds scientists all centered around one vaccine at one time, the reason why others take so long is that there are few scientists working on historic vaccines at a time without the vast resources thrown at them, so yes it is a quick turnaround for a vaccine, but with ten years worth of work thrown into 1 year. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 08:59 - Nov 10 with 1607 views | homer_123 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:56 - Nov 10 by CoachRob | Is it right to say that the inactivated vaccine candidate CoronaVac developed in China is a different technology to the RNA vaccine candidate which was developed by Pfizer/BioNTech? Undoubtedly there will be some reservation with so much misinformation from the anti-vaxx cult, as one poster pointed out, however, vaccines are among our best medicines and on this one we have to trust our peer-review system and regulators to get it right. |
I'm all for vaccines! I don't know the answer - still reading up on both to be honest. As with all vaccines, we just need to be very very clear what's what. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 09:01 - Nov 10 with 1588 views | Keno | Northerners? Morrisey fans? People who eat Battenberg? Tory Voters? | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 09:01 - Nov 10 with 1588 views | homer_123 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 08:59 - Nov 10 by hype313 | The thing about all this rushed talk is that we have never had the worlds scientists all centered around one vaccine at one time, the reason why others take so long is that there are few scientists working on historic vaccines at a time without the vast resources thrown at them, so yes it is a quick turnaround for a vaccine, but with ten years worth of work thrown into 1 year. |
We don't have all the scientists working on 'one' vaccine though. There are over 150 different vaccines being developed. What you 'can' say is that we have a huge number of scientists working in a short space of time to find a vaccine for Covid but they are not working on the 'same' vaccine. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 09:01 - Nov 10 with 1583 views | hype313 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 09:01 - Nov 10 by Keno | Northerners? Morrisey fans? People who eat Battenberg? Tory Voters? |
Miranda Fans Michael Mcintyre fans Taxidermists. | |
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Alternative vaccine priority on 09:03 - Nov 10 with 1574 views | hype313 |
Alternative vaccine priority on 09:01 - Nov 10 by homer_123 | We don't have all the scientists working on 'one' vaccine though. There are over 150 different vaccines being developed. What you 'can' say is that we have a huge number of scientists working in a short space of time to find a vaccine for Covid but they are not working on the 'same' vaccine. |
Ok, not one vaccine, but a vaccine for one virus. | |
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