| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 08:56 - Nov 10 with 994 views | SonOfSpock |
The news yesterday about Pfizer gave me some cautious optimism but as a layman I still cant get my head around how a vaccine could be produced in a matter of months, and go through enough testing to be deemed safe.
Questions spring to mind such as : how long does the vaccine last? Does it prevent transmission? What are the long term side affects?
The final question is my biggest concern. Utlimately, I wont be having it as I am not in the age or an at-risk group, but I am worried that there could be a lot of unwitting guinea pigs having the jab in good faith and we're not fully aware of the repercussions.
From what I understand havnt some of the Pharma companies been given some kind of indemnity in case something does go wrong? |  | |  |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:31 - Nov 10 with 918 views | Sarge |
It’s not exactly a shock that something Chinese-made is of crappy quality. I’d have considerably more faith in the Pfizer & AstraZeneca trials. |  | | |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:36 - Nov 10 with 897 views | SouperJim |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:31 - Nov 10 by Sarge |
It’s not exactly a shock that something Chinese-made is of crappy quality. I’d have considerably more faith in the Pfizer & AstraZeneca trials. |
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:38 - Nov 10 with 876 views | ElderGrizzly |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 08:56 - Nov 10 by SonOfSpock |
The news yesterday about Pfizer gave me some cautious optimism but as a layman I still cant get my head around how a vaccine could be produced in a matter of months, and go through enough testing to be deemed safe.
Questions spring to mind such as : how long does the vaccine last? Does it prevent transmission? What are the long term side affects?
The final question is my biggest concern. Utlimately, I wont be having it as I am not in the age or an at-risk group, but I am worried that there could be a lot of unwitting guinea pigs having the jab in good faith and we're not fully aware of the repercussions.
From what I understand havnt some of the Pharma companies been given some kind of indemnity in case something does go wrong? |
The biggest issue with the Pfizer vaccine is it needs to be stored at -80c.
GP surgeries simply don't have the facilities, so we will need to set up a temporary infrastructure to support the vaccine delivery.
Serco anyone? :( |  | | |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:43 - Nov 10 with 866 views | StokieBlue |
I missed this post yesterday.
So a few things to consider here:
- It's not uncommon for some people to have a reaction to a vaccine, what is important is what that reaction is and how often it's likely to occur.
- The Pfizer vaccine was tested on 44,000 people with no recorded adverse reactions.
- The Oxford vaccine trial was halted due to an adverse reaction but it turned out to be within the group receiving the placebo so it was restarted.
- For "at-risk" groups there will likely be a threshold where the adverse reactions if they occur are far, far less likely than dying of the disease if you get it. This is the case for something like measles where the chance dying from measles if you actually contract it is far higher than getting an adverse reaction.
You are of course totally correct that the vaccine (and all others) should undergo the proper process and peer review. There is also of course some urgency though given the situation. The only country which seems to be ignoring the process and totally skipping some of the stages is Russia so probably best to give their vaccines a wide berth even if Putin says they are "effective".
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:44 - Nov 10 with 860 views | ArnieM |
The cynic in me thinks China deliberately started this man made CoVid , to allow them to develop and sell ( ahead of the rest of the World), a Vaccine to combat it . Sounds unlikely I know , but I wouldn't put anything past that nation. |  |
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:48 - Nov 10 with 846 views | StokieBlue |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:44 - Nov 10 by ArnieM |
The cynic in me thinks China deliberately started this man made CoVid , to allow them to develop and sell ( ahead of the rest of the World), a Vaccine to combat it . Sounds unlikely I know , but I wouldn't put anything past that nation. |
Don't you think we are a little be past stupid conspiracy theories now?
It's all too Trumpian and hopefully we are out of that era as well.
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:51 - Nov 10 with 843 views | hype313 |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:44 - Nov 10 by ArnieM |
The cynic in me thinks China deliberately started this man made CoVid , to allow them to develop and sell ( ahead of the rest of the World), a Vaccine to combat it . Sounds unlikely I know , but I wouldn't put anything past that nation. |
Given they are way behind the others , the fact that they have had to halt trials and the fact that the others are non for profit kinda kills that argument. |  |
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:51 - Nov 10 with 843 views | BarcaBlue |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:44 - Nov 10 by ArnieM |
The cynic in me thinks China deliberately started this man made CoVid , to allow them to develop and sell ( ahead of the rest of the World), a Vaccine to combat it . Sounds unlikely I know , but I wouldn't put anything past that nation. |
Cynic or completely misinformed? Neither Pfizer or Oxford are Chinese owned as far as I know |  | | |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 12:38 - Nov 10 with 792 views | ArnieM |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 11:51 - Nov 10 by BarcaBlue |
Cynic or completely misinformed? Neither Pfizer or Oxford are Chinese owned as far as I know |
I didn't say these organisation were owned by the Chinese..... because clearly they are not . But my point was merely that Id not put anything past the Chinese as they look to make themselves a world leading economy . Just suggesting it that's all. No need for so many on here to get their knickers in a twist. Its a forum for discussion and comments isn't it ?
NB : they're even using an untested vaccine on their own peoples, so certainly have no morals or scruples. [Post edited 10 Nov 2020 12:44]
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 13:09 - Nov 10 with 746 views | StokieBlue |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 12:38 - Nov 10 by ArnieM |
I didn't say these organisation were owned by the Chinese..... because clearly they are not . But my point was merely that Id not put anything past the Chinese as they look to make themselves a world leading economy . Just suggesting it that's all. No need for so many on here to get their knickers in a twist. Its a forum for discussion and comments isn't it ?
NB : they're even using an untested vaccine on their own peoples, so certainly have no morals or scruples. [Post edited 10 Nov 2020 12:44]
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But you are putting something out there without any evidence. How would you feel if someone made a wild statement about you without any evidence?
It's just incredibly unhelpful.
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 13:18 - Nov 10 with 717 views | J2BLUE |
Have a day off mate. You've been nothing but negative since this started. Just enjoy some hope. We know there aren't any guarantees. |  |
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| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 13:19 - Nov 10 with 716 views | BarcaBlue |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 12:38 - Nov 10 by ArnieM |
I didn't say these organisation were owned by the Chinese..... because clearly they are not . But my point was merely that Id not put anything past the Chinese as they look to make themselves a world leading economy . Just suggesting it that's all. No need for so many on here to get their knickers in a twist. Its a forum for discussion and comments isn't it ?
NB : they're even using an untested vaccine on their own peoples, so certainly have no morals or scruples. [Post edited 10 Nov 2020 12:44]
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My knickers have never been more untwisted. I haven't seen anything reputable to suggest that Covid was artificially manufactured in China or that Chinese pharma companies were included in the press releases yesterday. I have seen you suggesting stuff which appears to be baseless. | | | |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 13:48 - Nov 10 with 679 views | Herbivore |
| And this is why we need to not get get carried away by the Pfizer on 13:09 - Nov 10 by StokieBlue |
But you are putting something out there without any evidence. How would you feel if someone made a wild statement about you without any evidence?
It's just incredibly unhelpful.
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Let's call it what it is: it's bigotry. |  |
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