| The one good thing I can say about Lambert 21:47 - Mar 3 with 10165 views | Mullet |
Making everyone walk over and clap the North, and doing it himself takes balls. He could easily have hid behind handshakes in the centre circle and slipped off down the tunnel. As much as he is hurting us, it's hurting him too on some level.
But this was how it was with Jewell, and until Hurst showed up never had we seen such hapless and dark days. There's little to suggest this even comes close, even the positive of Dobra and Simpson seems have had the varnish knocked off it in the space of a couple of days doesn't it?
Thank god we got our club back eh? It's rank and crumbling to dust in a blink of an eye now there's no one left to hold it together. Who the hell is going to look at us and want a go? Apart from the opposition. |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:17 - Mar 3 with 1751 views | Mullet |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 21:48 - Mar 3 by BackToRussia |
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Look who was watching on too. You couldn't write it could you?
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:20 - Mar 3 with 1741 views | pointofblue |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 21:48 - Mar 3 by BackToRussia |
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Whilst the atmosphere was fractious tonight I don't think it was quite as bad as the Hull match - that was really toxic. |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:22 - Mar 3 with 1717 views | Mullet |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:20 - Mar 3 by pointofblue |
Whilst the atmosphere was fractious tonight I don't think it was quite as bad as the Hull match - that was really toxic. |
I did wonder for a second if we were going to see another huddle to be fair.
Toxic seems to have slipped into lazy cliché now doesn't it? We're hardly seeing threats, intimidation or acts of vandalism are we? | |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:23 - Mar 3 with 1708 views | Oxford_Blue |
It’s all superficial. | | | |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:31 - Mar 3 with 1657 views | Funge |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:14 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
It doesn't matter, he's gone. But in 18months we've levelled out the rank triumphalism and sense of victory, to span even darker times and result in those calls for Warnock...…. mindblowing delusion.
I'm not sure how you or anyone can insist the "fans had lost him" (which is true) and play down the manner of his departure though. I'm not sure anyone has ever suggested it was more than a few pricks who did that at Brentford but that became a sideshow everyone could condemn from both sides of the fence.
However, to go from three little birds and not many more wins, with Hurst's demolition job thrown in and still not be questioning everything we do or want is perilous. We're down here for a long time it looks like. Evans can't and probably won't change that. |
Hmmm, think we're coming at cross-purposes at this.
MM had been here for 5 years when we went to Carrow Rd in February 2018. In that time, we had played those cnts 7 times, and never come close to beating them once. He knew the depth of the rivalry, the importance of that game to those who follow this club. Most things will be forgiven if we beat Norfolk.
Chambers scored, cue mass delirium. (I got smacked in the face, and it felt sweet.)
Mick's first reaction? To scream 'Fck Off' at the away fans. I'm not offended by being told to 'Fck off''; however, I'm astonished that this was his instinctive reaction.
Right there, you saw the gap between the manager and the fans. There was never going to be a fix to that, regardless of the revisionism from others on this site that suggested he was 'forced out' by the fans.
I'm in broad agreement with the rest of your post. Evans is desperate. He lacks the malice of the Oystons, or the avaricious nature of SISU - but he fully shares their competence.
Anyway, we go again Saturday, Coventry, right? |  | | |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:36 - Mar 3 with 1637 views | patrickswell |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:31 - Mar 3 by Funge |
Hmmm, think we're coming at cross-purposes at this.
MM had been here for 5 years when we went to Carrow Rd in February 2018. In that time, we had played those cnts 7 times, and never come close to beating them once. He knew the depth of the rivalry, the importance of that game to those who follow this club. Most things will be forgiven if we beat Norfolk.
Chambers scored, cue mass delirium. (I got smacked in the face, and it felt sweet.)
Mick's first reaction? To scream 'Fck Off' at the away fans. I'm not offended by being told to 'Fck off''; however, I'm astonished that this was his instinctive reaction.
Right there, you saw the gap between the manager and the fans. There was never going to be a fix to that, regardless of the revisionism from others on this site that suggested he was 'forced out' by the fans.
I'm in broad agreement with the rest of your post. Evans is desperate. He lacks the malice of the Oystons, or the avaricious nature of SISU - but he fully shares their competence.
Anyway, we go again Saturday, Coventry, right? |
Funge - some of those fans at Norwich in 2018 thought that 0-0 away from home at Norwich and under pressure from an inspired James Maddison was the time to start airing, “Mick McCarthy, you’re football is s––e”. Mick’s reaction was unwise but not unprovoked.
Still, I’m sure that the people who sung that on that day must have been the only Town fans who took anything positive out of Klose’s equaliser. |  | | |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:36 - Mar 3 with 1639 views | Garv |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:15 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
Especially when he'd had a better half than Nolan and Dozzell imo. |
I’m close to giving up on both those after tonight, Nolan definitely. Dozzell has promise and one good pass out of 20 but simply doesn’t look bothered and runs around aimlessly mistiming challenges. |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:38 - Mar 3 with 1625 views | pointofblue |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:22 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
I did wonder for a second if we were going to see another huddle to be fair.
Toxic seems to have slipped into lazy cliché now doesn't it? We're hardly seeing threats, intimidation or acts of vandalism are we? |
True; I just mean a really horrible atmosphere to play in and the fans turning against the owner/manager/players.
Admittedly the chants and boos were purely aimed at Mick against Hull - tonight everyone got stick. We've become a sharing bunch. | |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:39 - Mar 3 with 1610 views | mrshallisfit |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:36 - Mar 3 by patrickswell |
Funge - some of those fans at Norwich in 2018 thought that 0-0 away from home at Norwich and under pressure from an inspired James Maddison was the time to start airing, “Mick McCarthy, you’re football is s––e”. Mick’s reaction was unwise but not unprovoked.
Still, I’m sure that the people who sung that on that day must have been the only Town fans who took anything positive out of Klose’s equaliser. |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:40 - Mar 3 with 1591 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 21:53 - Mar 3 by JammyDodgerrr |
Don’t agree with this. We were poor again and it’s clearly not working but shouldn’t be throwing abuse at them. It’s just football at the end of the day and it will be hurting chambers just as much. |
I didn't like that either. But I'm sure they realise it's inevitable. The make-up fist pumps will be even better when we do something good for a change. |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:42 - Mar 3 with 1570 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:20 - Mar 3 by pointofblue |
Whilst the atmosphere was fractious tonight I don't think it was quite as bad as the Hull match - that was really toxic. |
I'm not sure people can be bothered to be angry even. We've been ground down and are pretty numb. | |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:45 - Mar 3 with 1540 views | Funge |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:36 - Mar 3 by patrickswell |
Funge - some of those fans at Norwich in 2018 thought that 0-0 away from home at Norwich and under pressure from an inspired James Maddison was the time to start airing, “Mick McCarthy, you’re football is s––e”. Mick’s reaction was unwise but not unprovoked.
Still, I’m sure that the people who sung that on that day must have been the only Town fans who took anything positive out of Klose’s equaliser. |
I'm not disagreeing with your main argument here. There's a time and a place for giving the manager sh1te - Carrow Rd is never, and will never be, that place. It was appalling stuff from some of ours.
The wider point stands, however. It was time for him to go. Sadly, Evans subsequently got it spectacularly wrong, as he always, always does. | | | |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:46 - Mar 3 with 1528 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 21:58 - Mar 3 by Plums |
As was his treatment of McGavin. Very poor to throw a young lad in tonight and then hook him at half time. |
I’m disgusted with that.
Throws the kid in the deep end who is then one of the better players and taken off at half time so the usual suspects could continue to be awful.
Nolan was as bad as I’ve ever seen him. Garbutt was awful. Judge was clueless. Keane was pathetic. Dozzell did okay aside from several no look 100mph passes.
But what does this say to McGavin. Come in and do well and then you’ll be hooked off for someone doing nothing. | |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:49 - Mar 3 with 1519 views | Reuser_is_God |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:36 - Mar 3 by Garv |
I’m close to giving up on both those after tonight, Nolan definitely. Dozzell has promise and one good pass out of 20 but simply doesn’t look bothered and runs around aimlessly mistiming challenges. |
Nolan is fcuking sh1t |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:54 - Mar 3 with 1497 views | WicklowBlue |
Not important as I'm an overseas supporter in terms of Season Ticket income....but I'm out and have known this season was going south for a few months.
In general, it's been a sh&t show...yes I blame Lambo ultimately as manager for not having a settled side/formation/strategy and he needs to go.
However we need a complete rebuild as the players have brought us to here. Lack of confidence, believe, stupid mistakes, determination, grit, balls I can keep on going.
Imho we have seen our senior players captitulate time and time again. Poor defending, same goals conceded etc etc. Time to cull the squads senior players, manager and take our medicine. Prep for a continued stay in L1 while getting rid of the rot. The only way this phoenix rises from the flames |  | | |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 23:28 - Mar 3 with 1436 views | patrickswell |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:46 - Mar 3 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I’m disgusted with that.
Throws the kid in the deep end who is then one of the better players and taken off at half time so the usual suspects could continue to be awful.
Nolan was as bad as I’ve ever seen him. Garbutt was awful. Judge was clueless. Keane was pathetic. Dozzell did okay aside from several no look 100mph passes.
But what does this say to McGavin. Come in and do well and then you’ll be hooked off for someone doing nothing. |
As someone put it on Twitter, “The coward’s way out - subs the youngster who he knows won’t challenge him over it.”
According to Stuart Watson, Will Keane DID challenge the bench when he was subbed, so clearly the players don’t think it’s wrong to publically call out Lambert on his decisions. | | | |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 02:44 - Mar 4 with 1296 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 21:53 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
Chambers must end up shedding a tear or two tonight? What else can he do or give only to have manager after manager come in and drag us down further?
I don't blame anyone for booing or being pissed off etc. I just don't see where we go from here without yet more upheaval and adjustment to the losses Evans keeps making, financially and in a footballing sense. |
I think, and it's a worrying thought, that our only way forward now is to somehow embrace that greater upheaval.
We have a number of senior players who may do a job at this level but it seems like they need a new environment in order to achieve that. We have a number of young-ish prospects who have had various degrees of exposure to the first team (a number of whom we almost certainly may not be able to hold on to). We have a number of fairly regular first team members who simply do not appear up to the job whether through lack of skill or lack of application.
We also have a manager who, depending on who you listen to on here, could manage the kind of rebuild we seem to need over 2 or 3 years or would make a dog's dinner out of such a project.
We have an owner who keeps us alive but for what end? Evans bought us at just the wrong time - the game moved very rapidly away from what he could afford - and we can only speculate about the veracity of his comments about selling to the "right people" being founded on securing the club's future or on securing him the best payback (those are not mutually exclusive, of course, but the combination seems to limit the options).
I think what I'm most afraid of is that the problems we have cannot be resolved by a single change, be that owner, manager, or a review of the playing staff. It just seems like ALL of those things need to change before we take some tentative steps forward. |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 02:58 - Mar 4 with 1287 views | textbackup |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 22:22 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
I did wonder for a second if we were going to see another huddle to be fair.
Toxic seems to have slipped into lazy cliché now doesn't it? We're hardly seeing threats, intimidation or acts of vandalism are we? |
we didn't have those things before, but toxic was the words used to describe a few boos |  |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 03:08 - Mar 4 with 1277 views | textbackup |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 23:28 - Mar 3 by patrickswell |
As someone put it on Twitter, “The coward’s way out - subs the youngster who he knows won’t challenge him over it.”
According to Stuart Watson, Will Keane DID challenge the bench when he was subbed, so clearly the players don’t think it’s wrong to publically call out Lambert on his decisions. |
will fckin keane believed he should have remained on the pitch? absolutely deluded if he thinks that was even worthy of reserve level SIL football what he put in | |
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| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 06:49 - Mar 4 with 1141 views | TractorWood |
| The one good thing I can say about Lambert on 02:58 - Mar 4 by textbackup |
we didn't have those things before, but toxic was the words used to describe a few boos |
Such is the lack of leadership that we have to go through this cycle with every lame duck manager.
- generally ok performances or results
- a few bad results but we remain positive
- about a dozen more poor games where some start to sharpen their opinions whilst others rally and cry patience
- another 5/6 absolute dross performances where everyone brings up emotional responses like 'I've been supporting Town since 1967'
- it's then apathetic from most, crowds dwindle back to the core support, most of whom come from habit and toxicity from a vocal minority who still come knowing we will lose
- this then gets so bad that the manager has to either quit to maintain some type of dignity or Evans starts to see the financial impact and finally puts the manager out of their misery but 2 months too late
We then get a new manager, ignore the years of underinvestment and neglect that haven't been addressed hoping that (depending on their predecessor) another young dynamic manager or someone who 'knows how to get out of this league' can somehow swim against the tide and conjure a miracle of biblical proportions. |  |
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