| John Cauldwell's warning to JM 08:08 - Dec 9 with 2744 views | hampstead_blue |
Very clear.
He stated;
He has seen the manifesto and simply does not believe it.
He wouldn't start his business under this current Labour team.
He is thinking of leaving the country.
Many, many others in his wealth bracket are seriously thinking and probably will, leave.
He finds the rhetoric toward billionaires from Labour to be just wrong
JM, you may notice, starts to laugh when he's in a hole. He spent a lot of time laughing.
There we have it.
A significant % (13% I think)of JM's income tax revenue is planning on coming from the ultra rich. We've had clear warnings from one of them that they are seriously planning on leaving.
What then?
What can fill that hole?
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:52 - Dec 9 with 638 views | hampstead_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 09:18 - Dec 9 by Herbivore |
Yep. Multiple threads a day all designed to discredit Labour, most of them inaccurate. At this point it's hard to think that Hampstead isn't some sort of troll/bot. Yesterday he claimed Corbyn wants to exterminate the Jews. |
Very funny.
It wasn't me who said that JC wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it his team and supporters who have been saying it.
Please do not attribute such views with myself. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:52 - Dec 9 with 637 views | eireblue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:39 - Dec 9 by itfcjoe |
Of course he would start a business, if he is an entrepreneur then he will start it - if you have a great idea and think it will make you money you can't sit there and wait 5 years for a new Govt |
I think this demonstrates what is known as confirmation bias, or gullibility of Hammy.
Someone working as a foreman, has some entrepreneurial ideas, and thinks, nah, I’ll wait for a different government first.
Hammy believes this to be a credible scenario. |  | | |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:56 - Dec 9 with 629 views | WeWereZombies |
Apologies artsbossbeard, I have cut and pasted this from the thread on Johnson Sky interview:
Since 2010
1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for people suffering mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility Allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches a new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self-harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.
Six form funding cut by 25%.
33,000 nurses leave the NHS each year |  |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:56 - Dec 9 with 628 views | hampstead_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:39 - Dec 9 by itfcjoe |
Of course he would start a business, if he is an entrepreneur then he will start it - if you have a great idea and think it will make you money you can't sit there and wait 5 years for a new Govt |
He actually said he would start it elsewhere in a more preferable tax regime.
The point is that JM says he is pro business and entrepreneurs with one hand and then assaults them with tax hikes.
Should they get really bug, he'll take away another 10% of his business as well.
Someone made a point about a small business idea, well that will always happen. Cauldwell's business was a real growth engine and as he paid all tax that fell due, a real gem in the revenue's crown.
That is the type of business which won't be started here. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:13 - Dec 9 with 606 views | BlueNomad |
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. (George Orwell - 1984)
Please think about this Hampstead - it is how your party and their media supporters are filling your head. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 12:18]
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:15 - Dec 9 with 604 views | StokieBlue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:52 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Very funny.
It wasn't me who said that JC wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it his team and supporters who have been saying it.
Please do not attribute such views with myself. |
That's not what you said.
It's also not what they have said.
Impressive to get everything wrong in a post.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:16 - Dec 9 with 599 views | StokieBlue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:39 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Classiest?
We are a working class family who want to succeed |
Interesting that was the only point you picked out of the post. The sentiment of the post seemed that way to me.
If you are a working class family wanting to succeed why do you care so much about what you think a few billionaires are going to do?
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:34 - Dec 9 with 576 views | Herbivore |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:52 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Very funny.
It wasn't me who said that JC wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it his team and supporters who have been saying it.
Please do not attribute such views with myself. |
Christ, you've said on that other thread that JC supports extermination of the Jews. It's there in black and white. Stop lying and take some responsibility. |  |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:36 - Dec 9 with 569 views | Herbivore |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:56 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
He actually said he would start it elsewhere in a more preferable tax regime.
The point is that JM says he is pro business and entrepreneurs with one hand and then assaults them with tax hikes.
Should they get really bug, he'll take away another 10% of his business as well.
Someone made a point about a small business idea, well that will always happen. Cauldwell's business was a real growth engine and as he paid all tax that fell due, a real gem in the revenue's crown.
That is the type of business which won't be started here. |
So where do you think he'd have moved to as a small start up? Most people starting a business literally do so from their own home to begin with. They aren't going to move to Luxembourg just because there's a Labour government. He, much like you, is pushing an agenda rather than giving an honest view. | |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:38 - Dec 9 with 562 views | WeWereZombies |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:36 - Dec 9 by Herbivore |
So where do you think he'd have moved to as a small start up? Most people starting a business literally do so from their own home to begin with. They aren't going to move to Luxembourg just because there's a Labour government. He, much like you, is pushing an agenda rather than giving an honest view. |
Well Jacob Rees-Mogg moved his business to Dublin just because...wait a minute, maybe I haven't thought this through... | |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:48 - Dec 9 with 545 views | hampstead_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:16 - Dec 9 by StokieBlue |
Interesting that was the only point you picked out of the post. The sentiment of the post seemed that way to me.
If you are a working class family wanting to succeed why do you care so much about what you think a few billionaires are going to do?
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My real concern is that if you alienate that group then they will leave.
I'm not suggesting bow down, not at all. If you want to increase their tax then it needs to be done gently and over time.
I agree that tax needs to be altered. I like the Lib Dem policy of raising income tax by 1p.
Coupled with BJ's NI rise and a rise in the minimum wage that would be a good idea.
What Cauldwell is suggesting, and as he is part of that group, is that he is worried that many will leave. He even said he might leave.
If JM is relying quite heavily on their tax revenue then that could very well blow a hole in his budget.
That's the point of the OP.
Some may rant about toys and prams but they are missing the point.
I'm passing on what Cauldwell said in his interview with JM. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:53 - Dec 9 with 541 views | m14_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:52 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Very funny.
It wasn't me who said that JC wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it his team and supporters who have been saying it.
Please do not attribute such views with myself. |
Could you give me one quote of someone on Corbyn's team saying they want to 'exterminate the Jewish people'?
That's an incredibly serious allegation, and not one that should be made if you can't back it up. If you can't, then it's an unbelievably tasteless smear given what has happened in recent history. |  | | |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:57 - Dec 9 with 538 views | Herbivore |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:48 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
My real concern is that if you alienate that group then they will leave.
I'm not suggesting bow down, not at all. If you want to increase their tax then it needs to be done gently and over time.
I agree that tax needs to be altered. I like the Lib Dem policy of raising income tax by 1p.
Coupled with BJ's NI rise and a rise in the minimum wage that would be a good idea.
What Cauldwell is suggesting, and as he is part of that group, is that he is worried that many will leave. He even said he might leave.
If JM is relying quite heavily on their tax revenue then that could very well blow a hole in his budget.
That's the point of the OP.
Some may rant about toys and prams but they are missing the point.
I'm passing on what Cauldwell said in his interview with JM. |
I wonder why Conservative Party donor Caulfield might be pretending he'd leave the country if Labour get elected? An interesting question to ponder. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:10]
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:58 - Dec 9 with 534 views | Herbivore |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:53 - Dec 9 by m14_blue |
Could you give me one quote of someone on Corbyn's team saying they want to 'exterminate the Jewish people'?
That's an incredibly serious allegation, and not one that should be made if you can't back it up. If you can't, then it's an unbelievably tasteless smear given what has happened in recent history. |
I'd also be curious to know how he can assert that he never claimed that Corbyn wants to exterminate the Jews when his post is there in black and white in the other thread.
Edit - towards the bottom of page 3 for those interested. He even edited his initial post to make the claim about eradication: Please deny this... by hampstead_blue 8 Dec 2019 8:44Sunday Times page 1, 6, 7.
I know it's the Sunday Times but are all of these cases and statements lies?
Emporers new clothes.
Edit. Documents were leaked from within Labour and go back to 2018,
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:59 - Dec 9 with 533 views | hampstead_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:53 - Dec 9 by m14_blue |
Could you give me one quote of someone on Corbyn's team saying they want to 'exterminate the Jewish people'?
That's an incredibly serious allegation, and not one that should be made if you can't back it up. If you can't, then it's an unbelievably tasteless smear given what has happened in recent history. |
Go to the thread and read Glasgow's post.
If not then search for the copy from yesterday's Times. It's there.
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This is the wrong thread for that. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:00]
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:01 - Dec 9 with 526 views | hampstead_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:57 - Dec 9 by Herbivore |
I wonder why Conservative Party donor Caulfield might be pretending he'd leave the country if Labour get elected? An interesting question to ponder. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:10]
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Here is some more from the interview.
'Destroying confidence'
Mr McDonnell defended his tax policy in the face of criticism from the telecoms tycoon John Caudwell, who said Labour's anti-billionaire rhetoric was "destroying confidence" and making wealthy people like him feel "almost like pariahs".
The Phones4u founder told Radio 4's Today programme that some within Labour "despised" success and its economic plans were driven by "envy", suggesting that droves of entrepreneurs would leave the country if Mr Corbyn won power.
In response, Mr McDonnell said his plans had been "exaggerated" by sections of the media.
While he hoped the rich accepted they had a social responsibility to address the UK's "grotesque" levels of inequality, it was in the end a "moral choice" whether they wanted to stay in the UK or leave, he added. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:02 - Dec 9 with 526 views | Herbivore |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:59 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Go to the thread and read Glasgow's post.
If not then search for the copy from yesterday's Times. It's there.
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This is the wrong thread for that. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:00]
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Which bit of it says that JC or anyone in his inner circle has said their intention is to eradicate the Jews? | |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:05 - Dec 9 with 522 views | Herbivore |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:01 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Here is some more from the interview.
'Destroying confidence'
Mr McDonnell defended his tax policy in the face of criticism from the telecoms tycoon John Caudwell, who said Labour's anti-billionaire rhetoric was "destroying confidence" and making wealthy people like him feel "almost like pariahs".
The Phones4u founder told Radio 4's Today programme that some within Labour "despised" success and its economic plans were driven by "envy", suggesting that droves of entrepreneurs would leave the country if Mr Corbyn won power.
In response, Mr McDonnell said his plans had been "exaggerated" by sections of the media.
While he hoped the rich accepted they had a social responsibility to address the UK's "grotesque" levels of inequality, it was in the end a "moral choice" whether they wanted to stay in the UK or leave, he added. |
I wonder why Conservative Party donor Caulfield might be pretending he'd leave the country if Labour get elected? An interesting question to ponder. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:09]
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:11 - Dec 9 with 513 views | noggin |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:39 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Classiest?
We are a working class family who want to succeed |
At the expense of others? |  |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:18 - Dec 9 with 499 views | m14_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 12:59 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Go to the thread and read Glasgow's post.
If not then search for the copy from yesterday's Times. It's there.
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This is the wrong thread for that. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:00]
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Hold on, are you saying that David Cooper, 71, a retired ship’s captain from Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, who was expelled from the party in August, is part of Corbyn's team??
That would be ridiculous. | | | |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:51 - Dec 9 with 479 views | jaykay |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:52 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Very funny.
It wasn't me who said that JC wanted to exterminate the Jewish people, it his team and supporters who have been saying it.
Please do not attribute such views with myself. |
but you did say There are Jewish COMMUNITIES in London which treat people like slaves, don't work on grounds of religion (and thus live on benefits) and so much more.
still waiting to see if g.b. is going to rule if this antisemitism or not . if it is i hope his going come down on you and not pat you on the head. |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:58 - Dec 9 with 470 views | hampstead_blue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:11 - Dec 9 by noggin |
At the expense of others? |
Who will myself and Mrs H be trampling over as we grow our business and enjoy our jobs? | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 14:01 - Dec 9 with 461 views | noggin |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:58 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
Who will myself and Mrs H be trampling over as we grow our business and enjoy our jobs? |
Well when you make it, you don't think you should have to pay the taxes to help those less fortunate. | |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 14:02 - Dec 9 with 455 views | jeera |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 11:56 - Dec 9 by hampstead_blue |
He actually said he would start it elsewhere in a more preferable tax regime.
The point is that JM says he is pro business and entrepreneurs with one hand and then assaults them with tax hikes.
Should they get really bug, he'll take away another 10% of his business as well.
Someone made a point about a small business idea, well that will always happen. Cauldwell's business was a real growth engine and as he paid all tax that fell due, a real gem in the revenue's crown.
That is the type of business which won't be started here. |
Yes, because people will no longer use phones under a Labour government. |  |
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| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 15:03 - Dec 9 with 429 views | eireblue |
| John Cauldwell's warning to JM on 13:05 - Dec 9 by Herbivore |
I wonder why Conservative Party donor Caulfield might be pretending he'd leave the country if Labour get elected? An interesting question to ponder. [Post edited 9 Dec 2019 13:09]
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Is that the same Caudwell, that when he wasn’t in the middle of election campaign, said he would never leave the UK, thought tax dodgers should be named and shamed, and expressed concern that he f he paid less tax, others would pay more, and was very concerned about a country increasing tax he divide between rich and poor.
Maybe Hammy can confirm if it is indeed the same person?
Be funny if it is indeed the same person, and if so, does Hammy know what decade that person started out being an entrepreneur, and under which governments?
Hammy has mentioned his dislike of the 70’s. Be funny if Caudwell didn’t actually leave the UK during a 70’s style labour government, and stayed in the UK whilst building businesses. | | | |
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