| So they can renegotiate the deal.... 08:11 - Oct 15 with 6928 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
.....who woulda thunk it! |  |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:24 - Oct 15 with 1880 views | Herbivore |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:14 - Oct 15 by hampstead_blue |
I love your repeat of the all the propaganda of doom.....
FTR, I'm not saying it will all be rosy but I have always stated that No Deal isn't good, far from it, but the lights will stay on and we won't be swerving past dead bodies and zombies in the street. |
So we've gone from sunlit uplands to not dodging zombies and still having electricity? Excellent. |  |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:25 - Oct 15 with 1872 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:22 - Oct 15 by BlueBadger |
Foreigners and the wrong coloured passports. |
Stick to the topic....it's the new rule! | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:28 - Oct 15 with 1866 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:23 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
The thread in which I and others schooled you again? Clearly you learnt very little from that thread. |
Lol | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:38 - Oct 15 with 1850 views | hampstead_blue |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:04 - Oct 15 by StokieBlue |
What is your issue with the EU?
Given your previous posts I would have thought you'd be all for a large and tariff free trading block in order to allow capitalism to run rampant without borders.
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I'm definitely not keen on the model you mention.
Whilst I like low friction, I don't like the idea of the big corporate slug consuming all before it.
I'm one who believes that the Social Enterprise model should be to the fore. You can make profit but it must be linked to a social cause.
The EU at the outset was fine but it's now become too big and all consuming. Too big to fail in fact.
It needs to be radically shrunk back to something more simple. Allow low friction movement and trade but don't prescribe and force policy on others. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:42 - Oct 15 with 1841 views | BlueBadger |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:38 - Oct 15 by hampstead_blue |
I'm definitely not keen on the model you mention.
Whilst I like low friction, I don't like the idea of the big corporate slug consuming all before it.
I'm one who believes that the Social Enterprise model should be to the fore. You can make profit but it must be linked to a social cause.
The EU at the outset was fine but it's now become too big and all consuming. Too big to fail in fact.
It needs to be radically shrunk back to something more simple. Allow low friction movement and trade but don't prescribe and force policy on others. |
Pssst. Any 'independent' trade deal with the likes of China and the US will involve policy being 'forced' to a far greater degree than there ever will be with the EU. |  |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:45 - Oct 15 with 1830 views | Swansea_Blue |
Read past the headline:
"Juncker said the EU would analyse any ideas put forward by the UK provided they were compatible with the withdrawal agreement". This is where we're at. |  |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:45 - Oct 15 with 1826 views | Herbivore |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:45 - Oct 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Read past the headline:
"Juncker said the EU would analyse any ideas put forward by the UK provided they were compatible with the withdrawal agreement". This is where we're at. |
I'm not sure he really gets what is going on. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:47 - Oct 15 with 1822 views | BlueBadger |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 08:47 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
They only ever said the Withdrawal Agreement was non-negotiable if the UK maintained its "red lines" on Northern Ireland leaving the Single Market and Customs Union at the same time as the rest of the UK. In other words, they wouldn't simply discard the backstop while keeping everything else the same.
It now appears that the UK Government has changed its position (being now willing to separate NI from the rest of the UK, at least temporarily), thus providing a fresh basis for talks.
Seems entirely logical to me. |
Isn't the main trouble with effectively separating NI the DUP though? Hasn't Arlene Foster repeaedly said that NI should be treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK(unless of course it's regarding laws on abortion, gay marriage, etc).
Not having a go, just wondering. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:47 - Oct 15 with 1819 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:45 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure he really gets what is going on. |
Posturing by the look of things. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:48 - Oct 15 with 1820 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:45 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure he really gets what is going on. |
I've lost the will to battle it tbh. The level of discourse around Brexit is pitiful. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:28 - Oct 15 with 1790 views | BlueBadger |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:23 - Oct 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nicely put Stokie....you have done my work for me. ;) |
It's almost like all of the 'pro' Brexit arguments are the result of massively muddled thinking. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:47 - Oct 15 with 1768 views | hampstead_blue |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:28 - Oct 15 by BlueBadger |
It's almost like all of the 'pro' Brexit arguments are the result of massively muddled thinking. |
I don't think that pro Brexit arguments are muddled.
I just don't want the UK to be part of the current incarnation of the EU.
Back to the OP.........it was mentioned this morning, once more, that the EU always leave it until the last minute and this is no different.
They want a deal but want us to revoke more so will do all they can the spoil Brexit. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:57 - Oct 15 with 1759 views | BlueBadger |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:47 - Oct 15 by hampstead_blue |
I don't think that pro Brexit arguments are muddled.
I just don't want the UK to be part of the current incarnation of the EU.
Back to the OP.........it was mentioned this morning, once more, that the EU always leave it until the last minute and this is no different.
They want a deal but want us to revoke more so will do all they can the spoil Brexit. |
What sort of monster would want to ruin recessions, shortages, mass privatisation of public services and chlorinated chicken for us? | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:04 - Oct 15 with 1748 views | Bluefish |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:47 - Oct 15 by hampstead_blue |
I don't think that pro Brexit arguments are muddled.
I just don't want the UK to be part of the current incarnation of the EU.
Back to the OP.........it was mentioned this morning, once more, that the EU always leave it until the last minute and this is no different.
They want a deal but want us to revoke more so will do all they can the spoil Brexit. |
Why don't you want to be part of it? Can you see a benefit to outweigh the negatives of leaving? |  |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:27 - Oct 15 with 1739 views | Guthrum |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 09:47 - Oct 15 by BlueBadger |
Isn't the main trouble with effectively separating NI the DUP though? Hasn't Arlene Foster repeaedly said that NI should be treated exactly the same as the rest of the UK(unless of course it's regarding laws on abortion, gay marriage, etc).
Not having a go, just wondering. |
Even DUP support is now not enough to give Johnson a majority. He has to rely on opposition support to get any deal through. Thus Foster & Co are suddenly a whole lot less relevant. |  |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:41 - Oct 15 with 1726 views | Guthrum |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:27 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
Even DUP support is now not enough to give Johnson a majority. He has to rely on opposition support to get any deal through. Thus Foster & Co are suddenly a whole lot less relevant. |
There may even be scores to settle. After all, the DUP extorted a lot of money from Theresa May, then hung her out to dry on the Brexit votes. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:41 - Oct 15 with 1729 views | BlueBadger |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:27 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
Even DUP support is now not enough to give Johnson a majority. He has to rely on opposition support to get any deal through. Thus Foster & Co are suddenly a whole lot less relevant. |
That shower of terror-supporting bigots finally getting sidelined is about the only good thing about this whole clusterf*ck. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:12 - Oct 15 with 1707 views | hampstead_blue |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 11:27 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
Even DUP support is now not enough to give Johnson a majority. He has to rely on opposition support to get any deal through. Thus Foster & Co are suddenly a whole lot less relevant. |
Has been said there are a good number of Labour MP's potentially willing to support a deal.
Nothing like 'def info', that would be bonkers!
I think it will be very close. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:16 - Oct 15 with 1698 views | Herbivore |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 10:47 - Oct 15 by hampstead_blue |
I don't think that pro Brexit arguments are muddled.
I just don't want the UK to be part of the current incarnation of the EU.
Back to the OP.........it was mentioned this morning, once more, that the EU always leave it until the last minute and this is no different.
They want a deal but want us to revoke more so will do all they can the spoil Brexit. |
You don't think pro Brexit arguments are muddled? Blimey, that's a hot take. Have you not seen or heard Brexiteers saying they voted Brexit because, essentially, there are too many brown people in the UK now? How is that not muddled thinking given that the brown people coming over here aren't from the EU and we're likely to need even more of them once we massively reduce EU migration? [Post edited 15 Oct 2019 13:17]
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:24 - Oct 15 with 1680 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:16 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
You don't think pro Brexit arguments are muddled? Blimey, that's a hot take. Have you not seen or heard Brexiteers saying they voted Brexit because, essentially, there are too many brown people in the UK now? How is that not muddled thinking given that the brown people coming over here aren't from the EU and we're likely to need even more of them once we massively reduce EU migration? [Post edited 15 Oct 2019 13:17]
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Talk about straw men.....possibly ones wanting blue passports. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:50 - Oct 15 with 1648 views | Herbivore |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:24 - Oct 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Talk about straw men.....possibly ones wanting blue passports. |
We can add straw man arguments to the ever growing list of things that you don't understand.
Tell us again about the creation of an egalitarian utopia that is the driver behind Brexit, I could do with a laugh. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 14:06 - Oct 15 with 1634 views | hampstead_blue |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:16 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
You don't think pro Brexit arguments are muddled? Blimey, that's a hot take. Have you not seen or heard Brexiteers saying they voted Brexit because, essentially, there are too many brown people in the UK now? How is that not muddled thinking given that the brown people coming over here aren't from the EU and we're likely to need even more of them once we massively reduce EU migration? [Post edited 15 Oct 2019 13:17]
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I should have clarified.
My ideas are not muddled.
Much of the propaganda spewed by both sides during the referendum was muddled and deliberately confusing.
Is that an argument for another referendum? Nearly but no. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 14:08 - Oct 15 with 1628 views | Herbivore |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 14:06 - Oct 15 by hampstead_blue |
I should have clarified.
My ideas are not muddled.
Much of the propaganda spewed by both sides during the referendum was muddled and deliberately confusing.
Is that an argument for another referendum? Nearly but no. |
But your version of and reasons for Brexit differ wildly from other Brexiteers, hence the overall argument for Brexit is muddled and that's shown in the struggle to get Brexiteers to agree to a defined version of Brexit.
I'm curious as to what remain 'propaganda' you found to be muddled and deliberately confusing? Most of what was dismissed as project fear is now part of the government's £100m 'Get Ready for Brexit' campaign. | |
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| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 18:18 - Oct 15 with 1579 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So they can renegotiate the deal.... on 13:50 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
We can add straw man arguments to the ever growing list of things that you don't understand.
Tell us again about the creation of an egalitarian utopia that is the driver behind Brexit, I could do with a laugh. |
You appear to have purposely misrepresented a position so as to defeat an argument...mr dictionary. | |
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