| Mick sure did hold us together 15:48 - Mar 9 with 13507 views | Mullysplace1 |
Say what you like but big Mick did a hell of a job to keep us up each season. Now the numbskulls can see what an impossible task he had each year. On top of that he had to take the abuse. The guy should have been respected not heckled week in week out. |  | | |  |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:35 - Mar 10 with 2849 views | PhilTWTD |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:27 - Mar 10 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
According to the Price of Football analysis from the other days it’s consistently been in the bottom 6 for the past few seasons
So in that context, 16th in 2016/17 was probably marginally above average and top half last season very good indeed |
That is correct but none of this is the point. Where we were finishing in the league wasn't so much the issue as the manager having such a poor relationship with fans for both footballing and personality reasons that a significant number were voting with their feet.
The idea that Mick was holding the club together as per the OP is laughable, even if he was overachieving in terms of league position to budget. |  | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:36 - Mar 10 with 2845 views | Trequartista |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:27 - Mar 10 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
According to the Price of Football analysis from the other days it’s consistently been in the bottom 6 for the past few seasons
So in that context, 16th in 2016/17 was probably marginally above average and top half last season very good indeed |
fine margins, we lost 3 more than we won when finishing 12th on goal difference (biggest win coming under Klug?) and we lost 4 more than we won when finishing 16th. In reality those seasons weren't too different other than the August 4-win turbo-boost.
but top half is top half so fair enough, the real point is that is Evans lying about the wage bill in comparison to other teams (which is where my quote came from) or are we looking at two different statistics? [Post edited 10 Mar 2019 10:39]
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:11 - Mar 10 with 2796 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:35 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
That is correct but none of this is the point. Where we were finishing in the league wasn't so much the issue as the manager having such a poor relationship with fans for both footballing and personality reasons that a significant number were voting with their feet.
The idea that Mick was holding the club together as per the OP is laughable, even if he was overachieving in terms of league position to budget. |
I agree with that. Was just making the point that in terms of results, McCarthy was consistently overdelivering, even including 2016/17
For some reason there seem to be plenty that still seem to challenge this, despite there being pretty clear evidence to the contrary and plenty of other reasons to justify it being time for a change, as you’ve outlined |  |
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:13 - Mar 10 with 2794 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:36 - Mar 10 by Trequartista |
fine margins, we lost 3 more than we won when finishing 12th on goal difference (biggest win coming under Klug?) and we lost 4 more than we won when finishing 16th. In reality those seasons weren't too different other than the August 4-win turbo-boost.
but top half is top half so fair enough, the real point is that is Evans lying about the wage bill in comparison to other teams (which is where my quote came from) or are we looking at two different statistics? [Post edited 10 Mar 2019 10:39]
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Well one of those is based on published accounts and the other is comments from an owner trying to curry favour with the fans. Although think the Evans comments you’re referring to were made this season - in which case we may actually occupy a higher position in the wage table thanks to the late August and January panic splurges | |
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:37 - Mar 10 with 2759 views | Mullysplace1 |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:35 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
That is correct but none of this is the point. Where we were finishing in the league wasn't so much the issue as the manager having such a poor relationship with fans for both footballing and personality reasons that a significant number were voting with their feet.
The idea that Mick was holding the club together as per the OP is laughable, even if he was overachieving in terms of league position to budget. |
Trouble is, he was. The club has been a mess for years now. McCarthy kept it together, and over achieved. Now look where we are heading for the first time in 62 years, and thats down to the morons who hounded him out. He kept us in the championship, with hardly any money to spend. There are only a few managers out there who can do that. Now we are heading to where we belong, and thats down to hot heads wanting rid of the guy. It could be years before we come back, and probably will. | | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:41 - Mar 10 with 2751 views | bluejacko |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:37 - Mar 10 by Mullysplace1 |
Trouble is, he was. The club has been a mess for years now. McCarthy kept it together, and over achieved. Now look where we are heading for the first time in 62 years, and thats down to the morons who hounded him out. He kept us in the championship, with hardly any money to spend. There are only a few managers out there who can do that. Now we are heading to where we belong, and thats down to hot heads wanting rid of the guy. It could be years before we come back, and probably will. |
Would you please just give us all a break from this constant whining about him he has GONE,grow up and get over it. |  | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:44 - Mar 10 with 2747 views | blueislander |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:37 - Mar 10 by Mullysplace1 |
Trouble is, he was. The club has been a mess for years now. McCarthy kept it together, and over achieved. Now look where we are heading for the first time in 62 years, and thats down to the morons who hounded him out. He kept us in the championship, with hardly any money to spend. There are only a few managers out there who can do that. Now we are heading to where we belong, and thats down to hot heads wanting rid of the guy. It could be years before we come back, and probably will. |
If you think that someone as arrogant and stubborn as McCarthy could be “hounded out” by a small number of abusive fans , you are deluded. It is fair to say that the majority of fans did want him replaced, but very few were abusive. | | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:48 - Mar 10 with 2740 views | rexron |
Mick has been a very good manager for Ipswich. Shame the owner did not support him With funds when the Squad was quite strong. Then Ipswich would have been in the premier League instead of League 1. |  |
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 12:00 - Mar 10 with 2728 views | JETPower |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:44 - Mar 10 by blueislander |
If you think that someone as arrogant and stubborn as McCarthy could be “hounded out” by a small number of abusive fans , you are deluded. It is fair to say that the majority of fans did want him replaced, but very few were abusive. |
Everyone knew by the time it was announced MM was leaving that he had to go.
Probably three quarters of the fans had very few regrets about that, but maybe a quarter did regret that it had got to a point where we had to go (even while accepting that as the reality - they recognised his achievements for what they were, and knew they'd be very difficult to repeat).
I'd say 90%+ of Town fans were united in being firmly opposed to the worst abuse levelled at MM regardless. Those that give themselves credit for being abusive then can't call themselves supporters. Those that carry on with it now provoke those who stick up for him still, and it's the instigators who really, really most need to move on. They also seem to be first in line to stick it to Lambert too. |  | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 12:31 - Mar 10 with 2698 views | Bluefish |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:35 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
That is correct but none of this is the point. Where we were finishing in the league wasn't so much the issue as the manager having such a poor relationship with fans for both footballing and personality reasons that a significant number were voting with their feet.
The idea that Mick was holding the club together as per the OP is laughable, even if he was overachieving in terms of league position to budget. |
Why were you so much more anti Mick than anti keane Jewell, Hurst or Lambert? |  |
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 14:28 - Mar 10 with 2660 views | PhilTWTD |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 11:37 - Mar 10 by Mullysplace1 |
Trouble is, he was. The club has been a mess for years now. McCarthy kept it together, and over achieved. Now look where we are heading for the first time in 62 years, and thats down to the morons who hounded him out. He kept us in the championship, with hardly any money to spend. There are only a few managers out there who can do that. Now we are heading to where we belong, and thats down to hot heads wanting rid of the guy. It could be years before we come back, and probably will. |
He overachieved in terms of league position but had he stayed attendances would probably have been below 10,000 this season, which long-term might well have been a bigger blow than this year's relegation may prove to be.
It's been interesting to see Paul Lambert's approach since he came in, taking an interest in the club as a wider entity rather than just the first team as Mick did. Mick wasn't one for getting involved with supporters' groups or with the ex-players or with integrating the academy and first team more closely, his interest appeared on the first team and nothing further than that. | | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 16:48 - Mar 10 with 2588 views | Mullysplace1 |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 14:28 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
He overachieved in terms of league position but had he stayed attendances would probably have been below 10,000 this season, which long-term might well have been a bigger blow than this year's relegation may prove to be.
It's been interesting to see Paul Lambert's approach since he came in, taking an interest in the club as a wider entity rather than just the first team as Mick did. Mick wasn't one for getting involved with supporters' groups or with the ex-players or with integrating the academy and first team more closely, his interest appeared on the first team and nothing further than that. |
If we dont go straight back up next season. Gates will be down to 10,000 anyway, and that will be without the tv revenue. So therefore we are going to be financially very poor. I want success as much as the next. But the club has really shot itself in the foot. Next season is more important than anything that has gone before, or we are going to be stuck in league 1 or lower for a very long time. | | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 20:15 - Mar 10 with 2543 views | WadeyBlue |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 16:03 - Mar 9 by witchdoctor |
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 21:02 - Mar 10 with 2512 views | Churchman |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 14:28 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
He overachieved in terms of league position but had he stayed attendances would probably have been below 10,000 this season, which long-term might well have been a bigger blow than this year's relegation may prove to be.
It's been interesting to see Paul Lambert's approach since he came in, taking an interest in the club as a wider entity rather than just the first team as Mick did. Mick wasn't one for getting involved with supporters' groups or with the ex-players or with integrating the academy and first team more closely, his interest appeared on the first team and nothing further than that. |
I agree entirely with that. Nobody can question Mick’s ability to get the best out of players at this level and if Evans had supported him we might even have got out of the right end of this division. But it would have ended in tears. Along with most of Evan’s decisions, he chose McCarthy's successor badly. That doesn’t mean Mick going was bad. I for one was pleased to see the back of his approach, attitude and what to me seemed arrogance. He wasn’t bigger than the club.
I like Lambert’s approach and attitude. If he is supported to any degree and given time I think he will do well with my club. McCarthy for me is a tedious memory to forget (bar the odd good day like Charlton away or Middlesbrough at home) along with Jewell, Keane and Duncan consigned to the bin. |  | | |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 22:13 - Mar 10 with 2480 views | witchdoctor |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 16:48 - Mar 10 by Mullysplace1 |
If we dont go straight back up next season. Gates will be down to 10,000 anyway, and that will be without the tv revenue. So therefore we are going to be financially very poor. I want success as much as the next. But the club has really shot itself in the foot. Next season is more important than anything that has gone before, or we are going to be stuck in league 1 or lower for a very long time. |
we?....nothing to do with you, you budgie numbskull... |  | | |
| BANG ON on 23:17 - Mar 10 with 2464 views | unstableblue |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 10:35 - Mar 10 by PhilTWTD |
That is correct but none of this is the point. Where we were finishing in the league wasn't so much the issue as the manager having such a poor relationship with fans for both footballing and personality reasons that a significant number were voting with their feet.
The idea that Mick was holding the club together as per the OP is laughable, even if he was overachieving in terms of league position to budget. |
Far too many posters on this board seem to live in a bubble and are in complete denial as to how p!ssed the vast majority of Town fans were with the matchday experience at PR through last season.
Now we never wanted relegation.
But this revisionist view of Micks tenure is just getting boring and pathetic.
I just don’t know or meet any Town fans who weren’t pleased to see him go. |  |
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| Mick sure did hold us together on 09:34 - Mar 11 with 2404 views | Mullysplace1 |
| Mick sure did hold us together on 22:13 - Mar 10 by witchdoctor |
we?....nothing to do with you, you budgie numbskull... |
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| look it’s quite simple.... let me spell it out on 11:01 - Mar 11 with 2382 views | itfcjoe |
| look it’s quite simple.... let me spell it out on 08:50 - Mar 10 by unstableblue |
Mick did a great job on limited resources, he’s also a nice guy,
BUT, let’s be very clear his ‘holding together’ of the club was causing long term damage
We had an ethos and style that was very very conservative and contained for two seasons, we were out played and were the inferior team at home in 80% of games.
Players developed habits of playing without pass and move, we often took an easy option of speculative punting.
Also what is coming out is that Mick was not the ‘club manager’ that we needed - he was obviously a far more positive figure than the poisonous Keane. But he was not linking to the academy, he was not linking to the fans, and indeed the football ethos he followed completely lost the fans - well the 80% numbskulls you refer to.
Is that clear? |
I'm sorry but he wasn't causing us long term damage - the long term damage is caused by being underfunded.
There is a hole in the boat, Mick was excellent at plugging the hole up and getting water out of the boat. Hurst made the hole bigger and stopped trying to plug it up - Lambert has elected to sink the boat carefully and try and use what is left of it to build a better boat (to stretch the metaphor out)
But whatever happens, Mick keeping us in this league, where we are one excellent season and a load of luck away from the riches of the PL is better than being in League 1 for our long term future of the club.
Also, talk of the academy - but Mick gave opportunities and a good amount of game time to Emmanuel, Kenlock, Dozzell, Downes, Nydam. It's really unfair to criticise on bringing players through.
Where Mick went wrong, is that his them and us mentality, saw the clubs fanbase in the 'them' category. Mick acted as a lightning conductor for Evans - and when it began to go wrong it went toxic. Mick should have had more support from up high - there's no reason why these new ideas (being driven by Lambert) couldn't have been put in place in 15/16 after the play off season if Evans could have a bit of imagination, or interest, rather than leaving Mick to do it all - and we'd likely be in a better place. |  |
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