| Ftse down again this morning 08:58 - Dec 6 with 42505 views | bluelagos |
House prices down 5%.
Thanks a fcking lot Brexiteers. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:45 - Dec 6 with 2677 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:40 - Dec 6 by homer_123 |
Which, whilst Brexit is playing a part, globally it isn't the only sh*t storm in town.
Besides, surely lower house prices is something we need isn't it? I don't know about anyone else but if house prices continue at this level, I'm not exactly sure how my kids are ever going to 'own' their own homes. |
Bloody kids. Walking around as if they rent the place. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:46 - Dec 6 with 2675 views | factual_blue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:42 - Dec 6 by Withnail |
Blah blah blah. Boring.
You lost, get over it. |
Splendid rebuttal, well done.
Enjoy ruining our country. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:48 - Dec 6 with 2664 views | Ftnfwest |
When they go back up you'll be the first one moaning that they're too expensive |  | | |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:50 - Dec 6 with 2654 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
......hopefully the next stage is we start paying to train nurses again! |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:51 - Dec 6 with 2652 views | dickie |
The house prices dropping is not a good thing on the whole, and it's unlikely to improve things for first time buyers struggling to get on the housing ladder as lenders will be less likely to lend |  | | |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:51 - Dec 6 with 2652 views | footers |
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Markets hate uncertainty, so let's vote for years of it. Lol.
Cheers, turkeys. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:54 - Dec 6 with 2640 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:51 - Dec 6 by footers |
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Markets hate uncertainty, so let's vote for years of it. Lol.
Cheers, turkeys. |
So you accept that a second referendum or no deal will create further uncertainty, whereas May’s deal, as imperfect as it is, would create the opposite. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:55 - Dec 6 with 2637 views | J2BLUE |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:21 - Dec 6 by DanTheMan |
Does it not affect people who have recently bought a house? |
There are winners and losers with everything. These days people tend to think everything should go their own way. If houses prices fall it helps first time buyers. If house prices go up it helps investors and people downsizing. We now live in a world where everything is analysed to death and there's always someone protesting that things aren't going their way.
If you're buying a home to live in, a temporary price fluctuation doesn't matter. If you consider your primary residence an investment, investments can go up or down. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:58 - Dec 6 with 2628 views | giant_stow |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:43 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
The ftse and house prices have been unaffected by the vote to leave in 2016 despite the predictions to the contrary. As Lucan says, it’s tge uncertainty that is now taking effect. The pound dropped when May’s deal looked dead.
The markets are reacting to the liklyhoid of the deal being defeated. That isn’t daft. |
One follows another. No brexit win, no uncertainty. |  |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:59 - Dec 6 with 2625 views | StokieBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:54 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
So you accept that a second referendum or no deal will create further uncertainty, whereas May’s deal, as imperfect as it is, would create the opposite. |
It's been proven to be fatally flawed though given the legal advice yesterday.
An indefinite backstop is also no certainty.
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| Ftse down again this morning on 09:59 - Dec 6 with 2622 views | footers |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:54 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
So you accept that a second referendum or no deal will create further uncertainty, whereas May’s deal, as imperfect as it is, would create the opposite. |
The difference being a second referendum offers the possibility of remaining, which would encourage the markets and secure the UK's economic future with the world's most affluent trading bloc.
We're now on to the stage of blaming other things for Brexit's negative impacts. Sigh. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:00 - Dec 6 with 2609 views | dickie |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:55 - Dec 6 by J2BLUE |
There are winners and losers with everything. These days people tend to think everything should go their own way. If houses prices fall it helps first time buyers. If house prices go up it helps investors and people downsizing. We now live in a world where everything is analysed to death and there's always someone protesting that things aren't going their way.
If you're buying a home to live in, a temporary price fluctuation doesn't matter. If you consider your primary residence an investment, investments can go up or down. |
Except there aren't enough new houses being built, the occupied ones won't go on the market due to negative equity and lenders won't be as likely to lend. Sounds brilliant! | | | |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:02 - Dec 6 with 2597 views | J2BLUE |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:00 - Dec 6 by dickie |
Except there aren't enough new houses being built, the occupied ones won't go on the market due to negative equity and lenders won't be as likely to lend. Sounds brilliant! |
According to Carney the banks are extremely solid and won't have any reason not to lend. I think we can safely say Carney would be all too happy to say if he felt otherwise. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:03 - Dec 6 with 2594 views | SomethingBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:54 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
So you accept that a second referendum or no deal will create further uncertainty, whereas May’s deal, as imperfect as it is, would create the opposite. |
You think May's deal offers certainty?! | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:03 - Dec 6 with 2594 views | Burwell_Blue |
My house prices has not dipped for 25years+
Its worth what someone will pay for it and what I want for it. This has never gone down. |  | | |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 with 2592 views | giant_stow |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:00 - Dec 6 by dickie |
Except there aren't enough new houses being built, the occupied ones won't go on the market due to negative equity and lenders won't be as likely to lend. Sounds brilliant! |
If we get a hard brexit, pound drops, rates go up, people may not have a choice about staying put. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just possible. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 with 2586 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:59 - Dec 6 by footers |
The difference being a second referendum offers the possibility of remaining, which would encourage the markets and secure the UK's economic future with the world's most affluent trading bloc.
We're now on to the stage of blaming other things for Brexit's negative impacts. Sigh. |
and If leave wins again? More uncertainty.
We are due to leave in three months time. A second referendum could not be organised before that date. So we’d crash out with no deal util the second referendum. The question therefore would not be remain but rejoin. Would we get an agreement with the EU fir the terms of being readmitted.
Again, years of uncertainty. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 with 2581 views | No9 |
| Ftse down again this morning on 09:03 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Aren’t the markets reacting to the liklyhood May’s deal will be voted down? Perhaps you should be thanking the hard remainers who are pushing fir a second referendum and the hard brexiters who are pushing for no deal. [Post edited 6 Dec 2018 9:04]
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There is only one person who has created this mes = Mrs May, the warnings were there, she was a useless, spiteful HS.
Then you blame the tory party for letting her take over.
She wanted to be dictator but was defeated in that by a member of the public.
She still won't accept she has all sides against her. | | | |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:05 - Dec 6 with 2579 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:03 - Dec 6 by SomethingBlue |
You think May's deal offers certainty?! |
Business and the markets do. Which is what we are talking about in this thread. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:05 - Dec 6 with 2578 views | J2BLUE |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 by giant_stow |
If we get a hard brexit, pound drops, rates go up, people may not have a choice about staying put. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just possible. |
Bread and circuses. We're currently enjoying the circus before the softest of Brexits or no Brexit. Don't be fooled into thinking there is any chance of a hard Brexit or 'Brexit' as it was called before remain lost the vote. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:06 - Dec 6 with 2577 views | StokieBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
and If leave wins again? More uncertainty.
We are due to leave in three months time. A second referendum could not be organised before that date. So we’d crash out with no deal util the second referendum. The question therefore would not be remain but rejoin. Would we get an agreement with the EU fir the terms of being readmitted.
Again, years of uncertainty. |
So wouldn't the solution be:
1) Withdraw article 50.
2) Hold a remain vs no deal referendum.
3) Act on the result whichever way it goes.
That way people can't say they didn't know what they were voting for, there is no uncertainty on the two positions and if we remain it's on the same terms as before this all started. We aren't going to get a "good" deal so might as well stop trying to head down that path.
SB [Post edited 6 Dec 2018 10:08]
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:07 - Dec 6 with 2567 views | footers |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
and If leave wins again? More uncertainty.
We are due to leave in three months time. A second referendum could not be organised before that date. So we’d crash out with no deal util the second referendum. The question therefore would not be remain but rejoin. Would we get an agreement with the EU fir the terms of being readmitted.
Again, years of uncertainty. |
Meh. You voted for Brexit, you tell me. Didn't you anticipate uncertainty, any downturn in the economy? Isn't it all a worthwhile price to pay for leaving the EUSSR?
I'm not a Brexiteer so you'll have to find the answers with the big-brains who were promising us milk and honey. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:08 - Dec 6 with 2566 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:06 - Dec 6 by StokieBlue |
So wouldn't the solution be:
1) Withdraw article 50.
2) Hold a remain vs no deal referendum.
3) Act on the result whichever way it goes.
That way people can't say they didn't know what they were voting for, there is no uncertainty on the two positions and if we remain it's on the same terms as before this all started. We aren't going to get a "good" deal so might as well stop trying to head down that path.
SB [Post edited 6 Dec 2018 10:08]
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Withdraw article 50 is a guaranteed way to shore up, and perhaps even increase, a leave vote. | |
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:08 - Dec 6 with 2562 views | J2BLUE |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:06 - Dec 6 by StokieBlue |
So wouldn't the solution be:
1) Withdraw article 50.
2) Hold a remain vs no deal referendum.
3) Act on the result whichever way it goes.
That way people can't say they didn't know what they were voting for, there is no uncertainty on the two positions and if we remain it's on the same terms as before this all started. We aren't going to get a "good" deal so might as well stop trying to head down that path.
SB [Post edited 6 Dec 2018 10:08]
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Edit: Worded this badly. [Post edited 6 Dec 2018 10:17]
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| Ftse down again this morning on 10:15 - Dec 6 with 2521 views | giant_stow |
| Ftse down again this morning on 10:04 - Dec 6 by GlasgowBlue |
and If leave wins again? More uncertainty.
We are due to leave in three months time. A second referendum could not be organised before that date. So we’d crash out with no deal util the second referendum. The question therefore would not be remain but rejoin. Would we get an agreement with the EU fir the terms of being readmitted.
Again, years of uncertainty. |
We can probably cancel article 50 if things get sticky. | |
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