| Mick in the Guardian 13:19 - Apr 13 with 25098 views | itfcjoe |
Think this is a decent enough piece
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/apr/13/mick-mcarthy-forced-out-ip
The kind of all-too-common, delicate football-going flowers who are only too happy to dish out relentless abuse but swoon like Victorian ladies when any comes back their way
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Worryingly, it sounded like the cruel baying of an angry, entitled mob of ingrates determined to stick a few last boots into the twitching corpse of an otherwise well-respected man
Made me laugh
And for balance so the numbskulls don't cry
Whatever you make of this contradictory stance, their frustrations are completely understandable. They are bored with the tedium of it all. They have not seen their team contest an FA Cup fourth-round match in six years. They have not beaten Norwich in nine attempts. Attendances are dwindling accordingly.
Change is overdue. They know it and so did McCarthy. [Post edited 13 Apr 2018 13:22]
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:06 - Apr 13 with 2875 views | davblue |
| Mick in the Guardian on 14:43 - Apr 13 by PhilTWTD |
I thought Bryan K's comments yesterday about all pulling together were in stark contrast. Think a club of Town's size needs that 'all in it together' approach. Bobby Robson described Town as a "big little club" which I think sums it up perfectly. |
I think at the end Mick saw the fans as peeing into the group, rather than out, in the end or whatever analogy he used i can't quite recall it!
Rightly or wrongly, when he comes back and if they beat us i think he will be lording it. [Post edited 13 Apr 2018 18:49]
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:07 - Apr 13 with 2860 views | Mullet |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:06 - Apr 13 by davblue |
I think at the end Mick saw the fans as peeing into the group, rather than out, in the end or whatever analogy he used i can't quite recall it!
Rightly or wrongly, when he comes back and if they beat us i think he will be lording it. [Post edited 13 Apr 2018 18:49]
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"Pissing in to the tent" wasn't it? |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:10 - Apr 13 with 2853 views | davblue |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:07 - Apr 13 by Mullet |
"Pissing in to the tent" wasn't it? |
that's what i thought, but didn't want to commit to it! | | | |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:14 - Apr 13 with 2835 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Mick in the Guardian on 15:57 - Apr 13 by Mullet |
Which bit? I don't think the general gist of MM's fall has, but the ending certainly has. We've become this week's point and laugh piece because of it, which is the biggest frustration.
Hard to deny there's been growing animosity and a lack of olive branches for some time. Some utterly silly things said, but the paedophile thing really sticks for me, that's p1ssed off several people.
The whole made up bus attack defence seemed weirdly over compensatory for what was quite a clear and obvious decision too |
The paedo thing must have been sung by what, 10 people. No one that I know who went heard it, neither did they see any hassle by the coach. Mick Mack was advised by the police and they obviously overreacted. I fully accept that the relationship was sour but it's nothing in comparison to the grief he got at Wolves and Millwall.
I am not condoning anything but the whole thing has gone out of control and let's be honest, a lot of it is because of Micks comments about feckers and imbeciles and the press have picked up on it. |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:15 - Apr 13 with 2827 views | SpruceMoose |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:14 - Apr 13 by Lord_Lucan |
The paedo thing must have been sung by what, 10 people. No one that I know who went heard it, neither did they see any hassle by the coach. Mick Mack was advised by the police and they obviously overreacted. I fully accept that the relationship was sour but it's nothing in comparison to the grief he got at Wolves and Millwall.
I am not condoning anything but the whole thing has gone out of control and let's be honest, a lot of it is because of Micks comments about feckers and imbeciles and the press have picked up on it. |
So thin skinned feckers and imbeciles are to blame then? I agree. |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:18 - Apr 13 with 2824 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:15 - Apr 13 by SpruceMoose |
So thin skinned feckers and imbeciles are to blame then? I agree. |
At the end of the day Mick is 100% to blame, at least we can all agree on that. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:20 - Apr 13 with 2807 views | No9 |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:18 - Apr 13 by Lord_Lucan |
At the end of the day Mick is 100% to blame, at least we can all agree on that. |
Indeed & many an Owner would have bagged him a long while ago.
I can only assume Messrs MIlne & Evans didn't realise the damage that was being done? |  | | |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:21 - Apr 13 with 2813 views | Mullet |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:14 - Apr 13 by Lord_Lucan |
The paedo thing must have been sung by what, 10 people. No one that I know who went heard it, neither did they see any hassle by the coach. Mick Mack was advised by the police and they obviously overreacted. I fully accept that the relationship was sour but it's nothing in comparison to the grief he got at Wolves and Millwall.
I am not condoning anything but the whole thing has gone out of control and let's be honest, a lot of it is because of Micks comments about feckers and imbeciles and the press have picked up on it. |
But as I said this morning does it matter if it was 1, 10, 100 if it's stuck? We don't need that becoming a standard etc.
I know two different groups of people who heard it and also saw it on here, so it is arguably just the sharp end more like when someone tries to start up the Fashanu song and gets a glare or two I suspect. Not sure anyone's suggested it was some sort of coordinated movement have they?
Didn't someone say they got a text saying, there'd been an arrest outside the coach and it went from there? That and Klug's comment meant people got defensive and came up with 5.
What's done it really is the vitriol several pundits got when giving support of Mick and then the twitter rallying around anyone criticising him. One Wednesday fan wrote a tweet that seemed to become like a holy grail for a few.
I think his critics underestimate not just how good a job he has done, but how it's seen. Combined with his standing in the game. The weight of that has pressed their bubble in more than they expected it seems. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:22 - Apr 13 with 2807 views | SpruceMoose |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:18 - Apr 13 by Lord_Lucan |
At the end of the day Mick is 100% to blame, at least we can all agree on that. |
At the end of the day, I go to sleep. That's all I know. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:27 - Apr 13 with 2782 views | No9 |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:21 - Apr 13 by Mullet |
But as I said this morning does it matter if it was 1, 10, 100 if it's stuck? We don't need that becoming a standard etc.
I know two different groups of people who heard it and also saw it on here, so it is arguably just the sharp end more like when someone tries to start up the Fashanu song and gets a glare or two I suspect. Not sure anyone's suggested it was some sort of coordinated movement have they?
Didn't someone say they got a text saying, there'd been an arrest outside the coach and it went from there? That and Klug's comment meant people got defensive and came up with 5.
What's done it really is the vitriol several pundits got when giving support of Mick and then the twitter rallying around anyone criticising him. One Wednesday fan wrote a tweet that seemed to become like a holy grail for a few.
I think his critics underestimate not just how good a job he has done, but how it's seen. Combined with his standing in the game. The weight of that has pressed their bubble in more than they expected it seems. |
On the other hand how would you react if a manager in your employ pi$$ed off your client base?
I never, ever booed MM although I never wanted him at PR but, understood he had a job to do.
I would never make excuses for those who abused him but likewise he should never have reacted the way he did when it started (after a Brentford game when a 2 goal lead got wiped out?) which gave those who wanted him removed all the ammo they needed | | | |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:31 - Apr 13 with 2776 views | Mullet |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:27 - Apr 13 by No9 |
On the other hand how would you react if a manager in your employ pi$$ed off your client base?
I never, ever booed MM although I never wanted him at PR but, understood he had a job to do.
I would never make excuses for those who abused him but likewise he should never have reacted the way he did when it started (after a Brentford game when a 2 goal lead got wiped out?) which gave those who wanted him removed all the ammo they needed |
He clearly hasn't "p1ssed off the client base" if people are trying to separate it into degrees of hyperbole. That's just nonsense.
Plus anyone who calls themselves a "customer" et al. can do one. It's football, it's tribal, if you want to use passion as a reason then crying about value for money etc. is a terrible double standard.
If you're talking about the 2-2 draw and saying it started there, we really are talking about single digits. People were gutted with the result but there was loads of positivity too, the fact we started with AMN and Emmanuel down the right being a big plus point etc. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:32 - Apr 13 with 2780 views | PhilTWTD |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:10 - Apr 13 by davblue |
that's what i thought, but didn't want to commit to it! |
It was a reference to Lyndon Johnson's quote re J Edgar Hoover: “It's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.”
I agree, MM felt fans were on the outside of the tent, certainly in the latter years of his tenure.
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:34 - Apr 13 with 2763 views | Nuggets |
The author of the piece is just doubling down on his misleading narrative now. Trying to paint Portman Road as 'baying mob'. EADT's Stuart Watson has even got involved. What is the guy's problem? |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:35 - Apr 13 with 2751 views | itfcjoe |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:31 - Apr 13 by Mullet |
He clearly hasn't "p1ssed off the client base" if people are trying to separate it into degrees of hyperbole. That's just nonsense.
Plus anyone who calls themselves a "customer" et al. can do one. It's football, it's tribal, if you want to use passion as a reason then crying about value for money etc. is a terrible double standard.
If you're talking about the 2-2 draw and saying it started there, we really are talking about single digits. People were gutted with the result but there was loads of positivity too, the fact we started with AMN and Emmanuel down the right being a big plus point etc. |
I think it was the 2-0 at brentford that is spoken about not the 2-2 and it has confused some people | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:35 - Apr 13 with 2749 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:21 - Apr 13 by Mullet |
But as I said this morning does it matter if it was 1, 10, 100 if it's stuck? We don't need that becoming a standard etc.
I know two different groups of people who heard it and also saw it on here, so it is arguably just the sharp end more like when someone tries to start up the Fashanu song and gets a glare or two I suspect. Not sure anyone's suggested it was some sort of coordinated movement have they?
Didn't someone say they got a text saying, there'd been an arrest outside the coach and it went from there? That and Klug's comment meant people got defensive and came up with 5.
What's done it really is the vitriol several pundits got when giving support of Mick and then the twitter rallying around anyone criticising him. One Wednesday fan wrote a tweet that seemed to become like a holy grail for a few.
I think his critics underestimate not just how good a job he has done, but how it's seen. Combined with his standing in the game. The weight of that has pressed their bubble in more than they expected it seems. |
I think Klug was getting at the mere fact the security people of an away club felt that an ITFC manager needed an escort to protect him from our own fans is bad enough, whether anything much actually happened or not. |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:44 - Apr 13 with 2717 views | No9 |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:31 - Apr 13 by Mullet |
He clearly hasn't "p1ssed off the client base" if people are trying to separate it into degrees of hyperbole. That's just nonsense.
Plus anyone who calls themselves a "customer" et al. can do one. It's football, it's tribal, if you want to use passion as a reason then crying about value for money etc. is a terrible double standard.
If you're talking about the 2-2 draw and saying it started there, we really are talking about single digits. People were gutted with the result but there was loads of positivity too, the fact we started with AMN and Emmanuel down the right being a big plus point etc. |
Whatever you wish to call those who pay at the gate or via an ST it comes down to much the same thing although some will go come what may others will not.
When team management falls out with the paying public ther is only going to be one outcome - you can replace a manager you can't replace the paying customer be they fan or not.
Town used to be a team that attracted paying public from far afield now after 5 1/2 years of MM they can't even retain full ST support. No owner can overlook that. To continue with MM could have seen record low gates at PR next season which means the owner would have to fork out even more £X Mns in support.
That is why I am surprised he didn't act sooner. | | | |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:54 - Apr 13 with 2705 views | Darth_Koont |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:34 - Apr 13 by Nuggets |
The author of the piece is just doubling down on his misleading narrative now. Trying to paint Portman Road as 'baying mob'. EADT's Stuart Watson has even got involved. What is the guy's problem? |
Glendenning is over-egging it but is still right to point it out.
Has Watson ever condemned any of this? Or is he trying not to offend his and his paper's customers? |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 16:57 - Apr 13 with 2694 views | chicoazul |
| Mick in the Guardian on 14:05 - Apr 13 by PhilTWTD |
Yes, it's time to move on, it was a year ago really. On the other point, I'm often amazed at the thinness of skin of experienced managers. Whatever he said it clearly got to MM and anything which even hinted at being critical in a press conference was jumped on ("Don't ask me about tactics", "Daft question") and not answered.
The response to the (to my mind perfectly reasonable) question I asked about what treatment Emyr Huws was getting for his injury when they opted against an operation being an example of the overreaction to anything which appeared critical even when in that instance it wasn't anything of the sort. |
On the one hand I imagine it must be highly tedious to be asked what one may think are "daft questions" (no offence to you of course luv but just as an example) week in week out especially if things arent going brilliantly. On the other hand Managers are paid enormous amounts of money at our level to handle those properly and without manufacturing or stoking conflict. |  |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 17:02 - Apr 13 with 2681 views | chicoazul |
| Mick in the Guardian on 14:53 - Apr 13 by PhilTWTD |
Further to the first bit, I also don't think it did MM too many favours in terms of his public image once pressers were shown live on Facebook, even if they were slightly more sanitised events once there was a wider audience. |
Yeah I said at the time putting those pressers on FB is a really bad idea. Not so much Youtube or even on here as no disrespect intended but I Imagine the audience would be much smaller. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 17:11 - Apr 13 with 2653 views | Nuggets |
| Mick in the Guardian on 16:54 - Apr 13 by Darth_Koont |
Glendenning is over-egging it but is still right to point it out.
Has Watson ever condemned any of this? Or is he trying not to offend his and his paper's customers? |
Watson has condemned the idiots shouting stuff at Brentford, but his observation on the atmosphere at Portman Road is spot on, in my opinion. | |
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| "But he hasn't..... on 17:29 - Apr 13 with 2608 views | No_Moore_Kieffer |
| "But he hasn't..... on 13:42 - Apr 13 by itfcjoe |
My favorite one was when people were saying that Aaron Cresswell doesn't know what it's like here....!
I liked the description on the pod, where he said some ITFC fans are making out like it's the Vietnam War - "You don't know man, you weren't there"
When the reality is we've just had a couple of years boring football marooned in mid table
Speak to other football fans and it reminds me of David Brent's advice as a motivational speaker
"If all men were to bring their miseries together in one place, most would be glad to take each, his own, home again, rather than take a portion out of the common stock." |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 18:29 - Apr 13 with 2571 views | blue75 |
Why has the note waving been brought up doesn’t mention they waved notes at us after administration!! Mick telling us to Fu** off at Naaridge it wasn’t what he said but the anger on his face that concerned me, how could someone with that much hatred for us manage our team!! Not fair on him or us. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 18:29 - Apr 13 with 2567 views | Darth_Koont |
| Mick in the Guardian on 17:11 - Apr 13 by Nuggets |
Watson has condemned the idiots shouting stuff at Brentford, but his observation on the atmosphere at Portman Road is spot on, in my opinion. |
Where did he do that? I can't find anything. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 18:34 - Apr 13 with 2551 views | SpruceMoose |
| Mick in the Guardian on 18:29 - Apr 13 by blue75 |
Why has the note waving been brought up doesn’t mention they waved notes at us after administration!! Mick telling us to Fu** off at Naaridge it wasn’t what he said but the anger on his face that concerned me, how could someone with that much hatred for us manage our team!! Not fair on him or us. |
I can only imagine the state of your monitor after that spittle flecked rage-a-thon. | |
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| Mick in the Guardian on 18:38 - Apr 13 with 2547 views | blue75 |
| Mick in the Guardian on 18:34 - Apr 13 by SpruceMoose |
I can only imagine the state of your monitor after that spittle flecked rage-a-thon. |
Jeez dude how old r yer monitor haven’t used one of those since the 90’s!! | |
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