| Damien Green's apparent porn habits 08:51 - Dec 1 with 14601 views | baxterbasics |
News peoples are heavily playing the on the claims of a detective that thousands of pervy pics were found on DGs computer, and that he was pretty sure it wasn't anybody else using his PC.
Now I'm the first to agree that this is an inappropriate use of public time and resources, and if it is true he should be subject to sanctions according to 'house rules' on this, same as any of us would face if found doing this at work. If his stringent denials are shown to be lies, then consequences should be even harsher than if he just 'fessed up and apologised.
But should the police really be so public in discussing these details? The detective said himself the images were not illegal. Why is he now interviewing with the Beeb?
I remember how strange it was at the time that a member of the opposition front bench had his office raided over a leak. Maybe this was a cover story because someone thought something more sinister was being viewed?
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 08:56 - Dec 1 with 7014 views | ITFC_Forever |
"Maybe this was a cover story because someone thought something more sinister was being viewed?"
Like WOTB? |  |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 08:59 - Dec 1 with 7005 views | Guthrum |
If the images are entirely legal, I'm not sure why the police are still involved at all. What offence is alleged? |  |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:01 - Dec 1 with 7000 views | connorscontract |
Umm, that's a hell of a big leap you make in your last paragraph. Let's stick to the facts.
Someone viewed legal porn on Green's computer.
Someone breached confidentiality by blabbing personal details to the press.
The second of these is the bigger deal to me. The subsequent interviews compound this. The police have questions to answer as to why public resources and police time are being wasted on this. |  | | |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:02 - Dec 1 with 7001 views | hype313 |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:05 - Dec 1 with 6979 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 08:59 - Dec 1 by Guthrum |
If the images are entirely legal, I'm not sure why the police are still involved at all. What offence is alleged? |
A bit naughty on the part of plod. I think Green has history with the officer who has brought this up.
I agree with Dan Hodges on this.
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:06 - Dec 1 with 6978 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:02 - Dec 1 by hype313 |
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But the guy is not in the police any more, he retired a few years ago.
So it's a civilian ex-policeman stirring things up, not the police. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:15 - Dec 1 with 6949 views | Steve_M |
A police officer, serving or retired, giving information about a case on tv prior to any decision on whether to press charges is clearly prejudicial to a fair trial. That isn't quite the case here but I'm not sure why it's being broadcast either.
However, porn on a work computer is a sackable offence in just about any job. Do Members of Parliament have different standards here or does the nature of the job preclude a standard set of employment policies? |  |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:23 - Dec 1 with 6920 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:15 - Dec 1 by Steve_M |
A police officer, serving or retired, giving information about a case on tv prior to any decision on whether to press charges is clearly prejudicial to a fair trial. That isn't quite the case here but I'm not sure why it's being broadcast either.
However, porn on a work computer is a sackable offence in just about any job. Do Members of Parliament have different standards here or does the nature of the job preclude a standard set of employment policies? |
What if you take your work computer home with you? Asking for a friend. |  |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:33 - Dec 1 with 6905 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:15 - Dec 1 by Steve_M |
A police officer, serving or retired, giving information about a case on tv prior to any decision on whether to press charges is clearly prejudicial to a fair trial. That isn't quite the case here but I'm not sure why it's being broadcast either.
However, porn on a work computer is a sackable offence in just about any job. Do Members of Parliament have different standards here or does the nature of the job preclude a standard set of employment policies? |
I'd say it's the fact that he's lying about it now that is the bigger problem.
If he said that the best part of a decade ago he is ashamed to admit he looked at copious amounts of porn, and he was very sorry I think he'd be fine. More or less.
But he's now trying to say that in between logging onto his accounts and sending emails someone else accessed his computer, not once but loads and loads of times, looked at porn, and then he went back on and sent more emails etc. Yeah, okay.
That's more likely to get him sacked now IMO. [Post edited 1 Dec 2017 9:40]
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:36 - Dec 1 with 6890 views | BlueNomad |
He is a retired officer. It does not mean the police are doing anything in respect of this inquiry now. Nothing he says is official and therefore he must stand on his own two feet when talking about it. Basically he's telling an old "war story" for his own personal reasons. |  | | |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:38 - Dec 1 with 6889 views | Steve_M |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:23 - Dec 1 by BrixtonBlue |
What if you take your work computer home with you? Asking for a friend. |
Presumably your company has an IT policy, you should read that. Mine is quite clear on this point about the use of my laptop or work phone. Normal and proportionate personal use is generally ok, anything above that may be problematic. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:42 - Dec 1 with 6869 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:38 - Dec 1 by Steve_M |
Presumably your company has an IT policy, you should read that. Mine is quite clear on this point about the use of my laptop or work phone. Normal and proportionate personal use is generally ok, anything above that may be problematic. |
Not my company IT policy, my FRIEND'S company's IT policy. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:44 - Dec 1 with 6861 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:38 - Dec 1 by Steve_M |
Presumably your company has an IT policy, you should read that. Mine is quite clear on this point about the use of my laptop or work phone. Normal and proportionate personal use is generally ok, anything above that may be problematic. |
What's a normal and proportionate use of TWTD?
In case, my, er friend's, boss ever asks? | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:45 - Dec 1 with 6857 views | monytowbray |
A man looking at porn on the internet? Well I never... |  |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:45 - Dec 1 with 6854 views | monytowbray |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:44 - Dec 1 by ITFC_Forever |
What's a normal and proportionate use of TWTD?
In case, my, er friend's, boss ever asks? |
You can masterbate over TWTD, but do it in your own time outside of the office. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:50 - Dec 1 with 6838 views | baxterbasics |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 08:59 - Dec 1 by Guthrum |
If the images are entirely legal, I'm not sure why the police are still involved at all. What offence is alleged? |
Exactly - the initial investigation was, officially, regarding leaks of information. There is no ongoing criminal investigation at all as far as I am aware, only an internal cabinet office one regarding the alleged material found.
Even the basis of the initial raid seems flimsy to me... politicians leaking info? Shocker! There were insinuations that it was politically motivated, someone in the gov at the time pressured the police to raid an opposition MPs office. The information being leaked was embarrassing for the gov. Whole thing stinks. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:52 - Dec 1 with 6825 views | connorscontract |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:45 - Dec 1 by monytowbray |
You can masterbate over TWTD, but do it in your own time outside of the office. |
Outside the Office? What, in the corridor? Or did you mean car park*?
*for Dolly's benefit: a car park is a place where people who work outside of London leave their own personal mini Tube train when they aren't using it. | | | |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:53 - Dec 1 with 6822 views | baxterbasics |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:15 - Dec 1 by Steve_M |
A police officer, serving or retired, giving information about a case on tv prior to any decision on whether to press charges is clearly prejudicial to a fair trial. That isn't quite the case here but I'm not sure why it's being broadcast either.
However, porn on a work computer is a sackable offence in just about any job. Do Members of Parliament have different standards here or does the nature of the job preclude a standard set of employment policies? |
The only people that can fire an MP are the electorate, and rightly so. But he can face internal sanctions, demotion from government position, loss of whip and deselection for example. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:58 - Dec 1 with 6795 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:52 - Dec 1 by connorscontract |
Outside the Office? What, in the corridor? Or did you mean car park*?
*for Dolly's benefit: a car park is a place where people who work outside of London leave their own personal mini Tube train when they aren't using it. |
True story - on Weds I had to have a mechanic come and jump-start my car. It's so long since I last used it (literally months) that the battery had just gone flat from lack of use. I don't know why I bother having a car anymore, it's pointless in London. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:59 - Dec 1 with 6791 views | Steve_M |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:44 - Dec 1 by ITFC_Forever |
What's a normal and proportionate use of TWTD?
In case, my, er friend's, boss ever asks? |
I think that means 'normal and proportionate' in relation to the rest of us. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 10:03 - Dec 1 with 6769 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:15 - Dec 1 by Steve_M |
A police officer, serving or retired, giving information about a case on tv prior to any decision on whether to press charges is clearly prejudicial to a fair trial. That isn't quite the case here but I'm not sure why it's being broadcast either.
However, porn on a work computer is a sackable offence in just about any job. Do Members of Parliament have different standards here or does the nature of the job preclude a standard set of employment policies? |
Which is fine but
A. Do we know the HOC IT policy
B. Why wasn’t this reported ten years ago?
C. There isn’t a power af recall so an MP can’t be sacked unless he or she is convicted of a criminal offence. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 10:17 - Dec 1 with 6739 views | factual_blue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:33 - Dec 1 by Axeldalai_lama |
I'd say it's the fact that he's lying about it now that is the bigger problem.
If he said that the best part of a decade ago he is ashamed to admit he looked at copious amounts of porn, and he was very sorry I think he'd be fine. More or less.
But he's now trying to say that in between logging onto his accounts and sending emails someone else accessed his computer, not once but loads and loads of times, looked at porn, and then he went back on and sent more emails etc. Yeah, okay.
That's more likely to get him sacked now IMO. [Post edited 1 Dec 2017 9:40]
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It's easy to tell if a tory is lying - his lips move. |  |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 10:23 - Dec 1 with 6717 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 09:33 - Dec 1 by Axeldalai_lama |
I'd say it's the fact that he's lying about it now that is the bigger problem.
If he said that the best part of a decade ago he is ashamed to admit he looked at copious amounts of porn, and he was very sorry I think he'd be fine. More or less.
But he's now trying to say that in between logging onto his accounts and sending emails someone else accessed his computer, not once but loads and loads of times, looked at porn, and then he went back on and sent more emails etc. Yeah, okay.
That's more likely to get him sacked now IMO. [Post edited 1 Dec 2017 9:40]
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Most lies and cover ups are often worse than the original "offence".
Unless he genuinely didn't access this porn he'd have been far better off putting his hands up. | |
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| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 10:26 - Dec 1 with 6714 views | gerard1947 |
When I working I wasn't office based, I had various company laptops that were used for work but with reasonable personal internet access too. It was assumed that I would be sensible and not abuse the situation.
Most people I worked with were sensible a few less so. We didn't have to be told that accessing porn on company laptops was considered unreasonable as was spending hours hours online when we should be working. I worked in a results based environment and performance, both mine and people working for me, were monitored. If an indivual's performance dipped internet access could be checked if was thought to be a factor. Everyone knew the score and sackings did take place.
If Green has been accessing inappropriate stuff at work or on works equipment he should be sanctioned by his bosses. It isn't right that the police should make it public unless a crime has been committed. |  | | |
| Damien Green's apparent porn habits on 10:29 - Dec 1 with 6705 views | caught-in-limbo |
The most important thing here is to blur the lines of what is acceptable/legal and what is unacceptable/illegal. The next thing is to saturate the news with all this stuff so that the electorate/public just tire of it and eventually ignore it or dismiss it all as nonsense. Get people to resign for touching someone's knee 15 years ago etc.
It is in the interests of many groups to do this: the church; the police; the judiciary; our politicians; our royal family and even our national broadcaster.
This is what's going on.
This is an uncomfortable truth.
Let the down votes rain in from all the usual suspects and their additional logins. |  |
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