| Problems with Covid 19 testing 22:55 - Mar 10 with 1666 views | StokieBlue |
Just heard an interesting fact, SK has tested 3500 people per million and the US has only tested 5 people per million.
Given the lag in symptoms and the clear lack of testing the official numbers must be all over the show.
I saw something earlier (can't find it now) that one state in the US only had 200 testing kits left.
They really need to get on top of the testing, both in numbers of kits available and finding a new testing method that doesn't take days and cost 50-100 USD a pop.
SB |  |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |  |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 23:29 - Mar 10 with 1566 views | Guthrum |
Part of the problem is that people in the US are reluctant to get tested, as they may have to pay for it. If the test is positive, a number of states do not have sick pay for workers who need to take time off.
Plus all medical facilities are private and independant. There are no centralised medical authorities who have the power to enforce uniform measures across individual states, let alone the whole country. |  |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 00:11 - Mar 11 with 1504 views | Bluesquid |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 23:29 - Mar 10 by Guthrum |
Part of the problem is that people in the US are reluctant to get tested, as they may have to pay for it. If the test is positive, a number of states do not have sick pay for workers who need to take time off.
Plus all medical facilities are private and independant. There are no centralised medical authorities who have the power to enforce uniform measures across individual states, let alone the whole country. |
So basically you could have a catch-22 situation with people wanting to take a test but being scared to do so because of the financial reasons, this could be really devastating.
The US health care system and workers employee rights or lack of them, one does wonder if the US have had the wrong priorities with the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Pakistan costing American taxpayers over 6 trillion dollars. [Post edited 11 Mar 2020 0:13]
|  | | |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 02:43 - Mar 11 with 1426 views | SpruceMoose |
Republicans are too busy trying to work out how to blame Obama for all this to worry grappling with reality Stokie. |  |
| Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 06:33 - Mar 11 with 1301 views | StokieBlue |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 23:29 - Mar 10 by Guthrum |
Part of the problem is that people in the US are reluctant to get tested, as they may have to pay for it. If the test is positive, a number of states do not have sick pay for workers who need to take time off.
Plus all medical facilities are private and independant. There are no centralised medical authorities who have the power to enforce uniform measures across individual states, let alone the whole country. |
Yep, that's all true, especially the fact that a lot of people won't be getting sick pay.
My main point was that the numbers there are likely to be very much underreported given that beer little testing is being done.
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 06:36 - Mar 11 with 1291 views | GlasgowBlue |
Chart here.
|  |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 07:00 - Mar 11 with 1249 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps you ought to worry about the situation closer to home? The reason people in this country are being asked to 'self-isolate' is that we have just about the lowest hospital beds per 1,000 in Europe, with minimal isolation facitilities that are overwhelmed each winter in a 'normal year' because of our aging population. Care in the community effectively no longer exsts, just to make things a tad more Amageddon-like.
Then perhaps ask yourself how you 'self-isolate' if living alone, without starving to death.... or self-isolate if living with somebody else.
On the plus side this scary virus does seem to be about as scary as man-flu for most of the population... and nobody is admitting yet if the normal death toll amongst elderly and vulnerable people is actually lower this year because of the the sudden overdose of urgent care for 'flu-like symtoms'. | |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 07:16 - Mar 11 with 1193 views | GaryCooper |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 07:00 - Mar 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps you ought to worry about the situation closer to home? The reason people in this country are being asked to 'self-isolate' is that we have just about the lowest hospital beds per 1,000 in Europe, with minimal isolation facitilities that are overwhelmed each winter in a 'normal year' because of our aging population. Care in the community effectively no longer exsts, just to make things a tad more Amageddon-like.
Then perhaps ask yourself how you 'self-isolate' if living alone, without starving to death.... or self-isolate if living with somebody else.
On the plus side this scary virus does seem to be about as scary as man-flu for most of the population... and nobody is admitting yet if the normal death toll amongst elderly and vulnerable people is actually lower this year because of the the sudden overdose of urgent care for 'flu-like symtoms'. |
Perhaps all supermarket workers will self isolate at once, they are seriously at risk, perhaps the pasta preppers are not so stupid. |  | | |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 07:24 - Mar 11 with 1175 views | StokieBlue |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 07:00 - Mar 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps you ought to worry about the situation closer to home? The reason people in this country are being asked to 'self-isolate' is that we have just about the lowest hospital beds per 1,000 in Europe, with minimal isolation facitilities that are overwhelmed each winter in a 'normal year' because of our aging population. Care in the community effectively no longer exsts, just to make things a tad more Amageddon-like.
Then perhaps ask yourself how you 'self-isolate' if living alone, without starving to death.... or self-isolate if living with somebody else.
On the plus side this scary virus does seem to be about as scary as man-flu for most of the population... and nobody is admitting yet if the normal death toll amongst elderly and vulnerable people is actually lower this year because of the the sudden overdose of urgent care for 'flu-like symtoms'. |
You're starting to get form for these types of post which distort the science.
How on earth does a comment on testing have anything to do with the situation at home? They are totally different subjects. It's possible to discuss them separately.
Your continual playing down of the virus is also becoming annoying. It's factually incorrect and incredibly unhelpful. In Italy for instance the mortality rate is x60 that of flu and in China the mortality rate in the over 80s was 20%.
Seasonal flu is ~0.1%.
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 08:27 - Mar 11 with 1073 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 07:24 - Mar 11 by StokieBlue |
You're starting to get form for these types of post which distort the science.
How on earth does a comment on testing have anything to do with the situation at home? They are totally different subjects. It's possible to discuss them separately.
Your continual playing down of the virus is also becoming annoying. It's factually incorrect and incredibly unhelpful. In Italy for instance the mortality rate is x60 that of flu and in China the mortality rate in the over 80s was 20%.
Seasonal flu is ~0.1%.
SB |
Ahem - you seem a little touchy when faced with facts.
Your original post was presumably aimed at the US not testing for something that their health system is not designed for - not just 'distorting the science' - but plain ignorant.
The tests themselves are deeply flawed for a virus that cannot really be contained - hence our government policy of letting people fly in from italy and disperse across the country, jostle pensioners together in the freezing cold at football matches etc. They cynically recognise that this cannot be stopped and just encourage people to stay at home with their coughs, colds, flu, assorted winter viruses hay fever... and in a few cases the dreaded corona virus. As someone has already pointed out - you cant find what you dont look for - and the graph looks so much better.
We live in a country where 10,000-15,000 people die from flu in a 'good year' - and until 'the science' as you put it compares this current epidemic with the norm, nobody knows just how bad (or indeed how good) the current situation is. In a 'good year' those vulnerable patients die in the winter - so the figures you are currently so concerned about are way down on what is already happening and always happens due to flu. Maybe it is additive - on top of flu - but somehow I doubt it. | |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 08:37 - Mar 11 with 1044 views | StokieBlue |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 08:27 - Mar 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Ahem - you seem a little touchy when faced with facts.
Your original post was presumably aimed at the US not testing for something that their health system is not designed for - not just 'distorting the science' - but plain ignorant.
The tests themselves are deeply flawed for a virus that cannot really be contained - hence our government policy of letting people fly in from italy and disperse across the country, jostle pensioners together in the freezing cold at football matches etc. They cynically recognise that this cannot be stopped and just encourage people to stay at home with their coughs, colds, flu, assorted winter viruses hay fever... and in a few cases the dreaded corona virus. As someone has already pointed out - you cant find what you dont look for - and the graph looks so much better.
We live in a country where 10,000-15,000 people die from flu in a 'good year' - and until 'the science' as you put it compares this current epidemic with the norm, nobody knows just how bad (or indeed how good) the current situation is. In a 'good year' those vulnerable patients die in the winter - so the figures you are currently so concerned about are way down on what is already happening and always happens due to flu. Maybe it is additive - on top of flu - but somehow I doubt it. |
You seen to have very little idea what a fact is and frankly your first paragraph is ridiculous.
Nobodies health system is designed for testing for covid 19. They could certainly do more though like having more testing kits produced. The point of my post was that the true numbers of cases in the US are likely far higher due to the lack of testing.
Your flu numbers for a "good year" are wrong. The government's figures are 600 for a normal year and 10000+ for a bad or exceptional year.
This "the figures are down" point has been covered many times. Do you understand about r0 and mortality rates? The whole point is to stop this becoming as big as the flu because both of those are higher for covid 19 than the flu and thus given equal initial carriers there would be far more infections and deaths from covid 19 than seasonal flu.
Can I ask why you feel the need to downplay things given the evidence?
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Problems with Covid 19 testing on 10:06 - Mar 11 with 958 views | NthQldITFC |
As you imply, given the supposed (not sure if this is 100% confirmed) contagiousness prior to visible symptoms, and the r0 figure somewhere around 2?, its surely inevitable that the infection numbers are much higher than currently quoted - apart perhaps from in areas of very effective movement controls?
Not sure what the benefit of large-scale testing really is at this stage? Surely the horse has bolted and is somewhere over the horizon?
I personally think that the focus now should be on accepting the inevitability of majority infection worldwide and helping those who need it most with everything including a positive and pragmatic battling attitude. It is what it is!
Lot of question marks in my post, as I don't really have any certainty about my own assertions. |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
