| For all us meat eaters. 18:41 - Jan 31 with 4293 views | Pecker |
My Wife is now vegan. She brought a magazine today and in there was an article on global warming. It claims that the production of meat omits more greenhouse gases than every car, plane and boat in the world. That can't be right, can it? |  | | |  |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:42 - Jan 31 with 1805 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
No, it can't. It is "emits" not "omits". |  |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 18:45 - Jan 31 with 1791 views | Pecker |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:42 - Jan 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
No, it can't. It is "emits" not "omits". |
Sorry. Is it true? | | | |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:47 - Jan 31 with 1787 views | monytowbray |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:45 - Jan 31 by Pecker |
Sorry. Is it true? |
Plenty of evidence and studies that say that, yes. Although some have been criticised for taking some liberties in their conclusions. |  |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 18:49 - Jan 31 with 1773 views | Dubtractor |
Seems pretty improbable, however it is simple to conclude that all of those things are very bad for the environment and that we should all try and reduce use/consumption of them. |  |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 18:58 - Jan 31 with 1733 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:45 - Jan 31 by Pecker |
Sorry. Is it true? |
Not sure about the evidence. However, livestock produce methane that has a higher Global Warming Potential (more of a Greenhouse Gas) than carbon dioxide. I am not sure how much of the water vapour from vehicle emissions reaches the higher atmosphere but that also has a higher GWP. Also, they probably take into account land use and the assumption that livestock farming would otherwise see the land as forests. Those would absorb carbon dioxide and water.
It is not a straightforward calculation and may well depend whether the scientist making them is thorough and how impartial they are (or aren't). Both are occurring on a massive scale. Reducing both significantly can only help. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:02 - Jan 31 with 1718 views | Pecker |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:58 - Jan 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure about the evidence. However, livestock produce methane that has a higher Global Warming Potential (more of a Greenhouse Gas) than carbon dioxide. I am not sure how much of the water vapour from vehicle emissions reaches the higher atmosphere but that also has a higher GWP. Also, they probably take into account land use and the assumption that livestock farming would otherwise see the land as forests. Those would absorb carbon dioxide and water.
It is not a straightforward calculation and may well depend whether the scientist making them is thorough and how impartial they are (or aren't). Both are occurring on a massive scale. Reducing both significantly can only help. |
Thanks. You are an educated individual. That isn't meant as sarcastic. | | | |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:03 - Jan 31 with 1707 views | Ftnfwest |
| For all us meat eaters. on 18:58 - Jan 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure about the evidence. However, livestock produce methane that has a higher Global Warming Potential (more of a Greenhouse Gas) than carbon dioxide. I am not sure how much of the water vapour from vehicle emissions reaches the higher atmosphere but that also has a higher GWP. Also, they probably take into account land use and the assumption that livestock farming would otherwise see the land as forests. Those would absorb carbon dioxide and water.
It is not a straightforward calculation and may well depend whether the scientist making them is thorough and how impartial they are (or aren't). Both are occurring on a massive scale. Reducing both significantly can only help. |
Assuming we all give up meat and livestock farming ends, wouldn’t they have to plant all that land with vegetables to make up for it, rather than forest? |  | | |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:06 - Jan 31 with 1691 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:02 - Jan 31 by Pecker |
Thanks. You are an educated individual. That isn't meant as sarcastic. |
Thanks. I teach chemistry so that's how I know. Happy to help. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:06 - Jan 31 with 1693 views | monytowbray |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:03 - Jan 31 by Ftnfwest |
Assuming we all give up meat and livestock farming ends, wouldn’t they have to plant all that land with vegetables to make up for it, rather than forest? |
We already grow enough plant based food to feed the world, but we use over 90% to feed animals to then eat. So in short, the answer would be no. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:09 - Jan 31 with 1680 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:03 - Jan 31 by Ftnfwest |
Assuming we all give up meat and livestock farming ends, wouldn’t they have to plant all that land with vegetables to make up for it, rather than forest? |
As I say, several assumptions have to be made. Not sure what ones would have been in the OP assertion.
Interestingly my wife has gone vegetarian (not full vegan) for the same reasons (although she also didn't go a bundle on most meat anyway). The consequence is I have cut meat consumption considerably. Happy to do so but will still eat it when I can. Also have reduced red meat consumption for some time now as it is considered more of an impact than white meat. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:13 - Jan 31 with 1647 views | Ftnfwest |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:06 - Jan 31 by monytowbray |
We already grow enough plant based food to feed the world, but we use over 90% to feed animals to then eat. So in short, the answer would be no. |
Most of that’s grass, I’m not eating that! | | | |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:14 - Jan 31 with 1645 views | Herbivore |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:03 - Jan 31 by Ftnfwest |
Assuming we all give up meat and livestock farming ends, wouldn’t they have to plant all that land with vegetables to make up for it, rather than forest? |
Not all of it. So much crop growing land is used to grow feed for the meat and dairy industry. It's hugely inefficient. |  |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:15 - Jan 31 with 1643 views | Coastalblue |
The answer is insects, once we start ordering our Papa Johns with insects on top then a lot of these problems will disapear. |  |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:18 - Jan 31 with 1635 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:13 - Jan 31 by Ftnfwest |
Most of that’s grass, I’m not eating that! |
Not sure that most livestock eats grass nowadays. Not even sure how much livestock eats exclusively plant matter even - do you remember the BSE scare and did you follow its cause?
As I say, somewhere along the line most studies are likely to have made assumptions. How accurate they are would need closer inspection.
Also, as I say, reducing both use of fossil fuels and meat consumption can't do any harm and would almost certainly help if done on a large scale. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:21 - Jan 31 with 1618 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:14 - Jan 31 by Herbivore |
Not all of it. So much crop growing land is used to grow feed for the meat and dairy industry. It's hugely inefficient. |
You are right, it is. However, how much of that land would genuinely return to forest? How much would simply be grassland for other reasons/purposes? How much is marshy land and how much mountain/hill-side? How much would be managed with machinery if it wasn't grazed?
As I say, many variables that I suspect haven't been thoroughly considered. Maybe they have in some studies. I haven't looked at any in great detail. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:22 - Jan 31 with 1608 views | Ftnfwest |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:15 - Jan 31 by Coastalblue |
The answer is insects, once we start ordering our Papa Johns with insects on top then a lot of these problems will disapear. |
Does butterfly chicken count? | | | |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:29 - Jan 31 with 1585 views | Pecker |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:15 - Jan 31 by Coastalblue |
The answer is insects, once we start ordering our Papa Johns with insects on top then a lot of these problems will disapear. |
Not sure about that. They reckon that this China virus is because they eat bats. What kind of things will we catch if we start eating flies and stuff. | | | |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:32 - Jan 31 with 1579 views | monytowbray |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:13 - Jan 31 by Ftnfwest |
Most of that’s grass, I’m not eating that! |
Actually it’s soy. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:34 - Jan 31 with 1570 views | Ely_Blue |
If Texas gave up beef production then we’d all be ok |  |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:34 - Jan 31 with 1571 views | monytowbray |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:29 - Jan 31 by Pecker |
Not sure about that. They reckon that this China virus is because they eat bats. What kind of things will we catch if we start eating flies and stuff. |
That’s ill-informed racist nonsense really. The flu virus doesn’t work like that. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:35 - Jan 31 with 1564 views | jeera |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:22 - Jan 31 by Ftnfwest |
Does butterfly chicken count? |
It's a well-known fact that chicken is a type of larger, plumper insect.
With 2 legs and feathers.
And comes in a spiced butter sauce.
Edit: butterfly, not butter? I think I saw what I wanted there. [Post edited 31 Jan 2020 19:37]
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:35 - Jan 31 with 1563 views | monytowbray |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:34 - Jan 31 by Ely_Blue |
If Texas gave up beef production then we’d all be ok |
What evidence is there for that? Not heard that one before. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:37 - Jan 31 with 1548 views | monytowbray |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:35 - Jan 31 by jeera |
It's a well-known fact that chicken is a type of larger, plumper insect.
With 2 legs and feathers.
And comes in a spiced butter sauce.
Edit: butterfly, not butter? I think I saw what I wanted there. [Post edited 31 Jan 2020 19:37]
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Chickens are great pets. Amazingly a lot of the animals we think are normal to eat are just as cute/fun/social as the ones we consider pets.
In fact I’d go as far to sat many animals we eat are no where near as big a d1ck as cats are. | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:38 - Jan 31 with 1541 views | Ely_Blue |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:32 - Jan 31 by monytowbray |
Actually it’s soy. |
And we all know how bad for the planet soy is don’t we! It’s the next palm oil scandal waiting to happen the amount of land that is being taken over to plant soy (that’s without mentioning the GMO aspect and what that could bring further down the line) | |
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| For all us meat eaters. on 19:39 - Jan 31 with 1535 views | Pecker |
| For all us meat eaters. on 19:34 - Jan 31 by monytowbray |
That’s ill-informed racist nonsense really. The flu virus doesn’t work like that. |
It was on the news. What is racist about it anyway? | | | |
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