Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans 18:42 - Apr 14 with 4035 views | MaySixth | powderpuff | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:43 - Apr 14 with 4029 views | Darth_Koont | Flaky post. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:48 - Apr 14 with 4014 views | blueislander | I don't suppose that you would care to elaborate, and give some context to that post? | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:49 - Apr 14 with 4002 views | homer_123 |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:48 - Apr 14 by blueislander | I don't suppose that you would care to elaborate, and give some context to that post? |
You'll be lucky. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:51 - Apr 14 with 3995 views | blueislander |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:49 - Apr 14 by homer_123 | You'll be lucky. |
I'm not holding my breath. | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:58 - Apr 14 with 3973 views | MaySixth |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:43 - Apr 14 by Darth_Koont | Flaky post. |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:59 - Apr 14 with 3971 views | MaySixth |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:48 - Apr 14 by blueislander | I don't suppose that you would care to elaborate, and give some context to that post? |
2-1 Forest (goals on 91 and 94 minutes) | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:59 - Apr 14 with 3965 views | factual_blue |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:58 - Apr 14 by MaySixth | Factual post |
Don't drag me into it. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 19:00 - Apr 14 with 3963 views | WD19 |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:58 - Apr 14 by MaySixth | Factual post |
It’s certainly right up there with Factuals Cliff Richard post if that is what you mean. Yes. | | | | Login to get fewer ads
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 19:37 - Apr 14 with 3902 views | homer_123 |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 18:59 - Apr 14 by MaySixth | 2-1 Forest (goals on 91 and 94 minutes) |
No, that's football. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:04 - Apr 14 with 3857 views | Oxford_Blue | He pays £6-10m a year just to keep the club afloat. That’s not flaky is it? It’s the opposite. | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:14 - Apr 14 with 3837 views | Ftnfwest |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:04 - Apr 14 by Oxford_Blue | He pays £6-10m a year just to keep the club afloat. That’s not flaky is it? It’s the opposite. |
Very true, although he then adds it onto the debt anyway | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:21 - Apr 14 with 3821 views | madmouse1959 |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:04 - Apr 14 by Oxford_Blue | He pays £6-10m a year just to keep the club afloat. That’s not flaky is it? It’s the opposite. |
Oh no...not the £6 million a year myth again. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:34 - Apr 14 with 3799 views | WD19 |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:21 - Apr 14 by madmouse1959 | Oh no...not the £6 million a year myth again. |
What odds will you give that somebody will rock up and buy the debt off him? It’s a gift. He will never see that money again. | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:43 - Apr 14 with 3789 views | Oxford_Blue |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:21 - Apr 14 by madmouse1959 | Oh no...not the £6 million a year myth again. |
It’s hardly a myth given it’s published in the accounts. The club have made a lost almost every year if millions. Who is subsidising that loss? The magic Churchmans fairy? Without Evans’ money the club would not exist. | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:44 - Apr 14 with 3785 views | Swansea_Blue |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:04 - Apr 14 by Oxford_Blue | He pays £6-10m a year just to keep the club afloat. That’s not flaky is it? It’s the opposite. |
Anyone can throw money away. Making it work for you is a bit harder. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:44 - Apr 14 with 3783 views | vapour_trail |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:04 - Apr 14 by Oxford_Blue | He pays £6-10m a year just to keep the club afloat. That’s not flaky is it? It’s the opposite. |
Rigid? | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:51 - Apr 14 with 3767 views | TractorWood |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:04 - Apr 14 by Oxford_Blue | He pays £6-10m a year just to keep the club afloat. That’s not flaky is it? It’s the opposite. |
Update as our accounts were filed last week by TractorWood 17 Mar 2018 11:48Not really anything seismic in the accounts. Evans via a multitude of group entities is owed circa £90m (including some preference shares that are classified as debt - that I'd think he would want). We made a loss for the financial year to 30/06/17 of £4.3m, which is broadly what I and probably most people expected.
We all know the biggest KPI is league attendance and for the period it does state quite a drop from essentially 19k to 17k as comparative period is 15/16 where we were in the playoff mix and probably had a much better feel around the place. There's a little Brexit reference in the principal risks and uncertainties but I'd assume KPMG recommended this as it seems a bit arbitrary.
The wage bill is up from £16.6m to £17.8m, still broadly chicken feed for this division. I'd imagine pension costs will go up next year as auto enrollment to pensions takes full hold of the admin staff but would struggle to see it being over £18.75m. We have a liability to pay someone £260k if some performance criteria is triggered, I assume it's Garner or Waghorn related as it wasn't present last year. Other than that, the accounts are pretty uninteresting including the related party notes that can have some unexpected, juicy items in them.
For completeness and for reference by everyone, our average consolidated loss over the last 4 years is £3.2m:
30/06/14 - £7.3m loss
30/06/15 - £5.5m profit
30/06/16 - £6.6m loss
30/06/17 - £4.3m loss
Interestingly if you extend this to 30/06/13 when we lost £9.8m, this creeps the average loss up to £4.5m per year which is probably less than I'd expect.
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 22:21 - Apr 14 with 3681 views | Oxford_Blue |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:51 - Apr 14 by TractorWood | Update as our accounts were filed last week by TractorWood 17 Mar 2018 11:48Not really anything seismic in the accounts. Evans via a multitude of group entities is owed circa £90m (including some preference shares that are classified as debt - that I'd think he would want). We made a loss for the financial year to 30/06/17 of £4.3m, which is broadly what I and probably most people expected.
We all know the biggest KPI is league attendance and for the period it does state quite a drop from essentially 19k to 17k as comparative period is 15/16 where we were in the playoff mix and probably had a much better feel around the place. There's a little Brexit reference in the principal risks and uncertainties but I'd assume KPMG recommended this as it seems a bit arbitrary.
The wage bill is up from £16.6m to £17.8m, still broadly chicken feed for this division. I'd imagine pension costs will go up next year as auto enrollment to pensions takes full hold of the admin staff but would struggle to see it being over £18.75m. We have a liability to pay someone £260k if some performance criteria is triggered, I assume it's Garner or Waghorn related as it wasn't present last year. Other than that, the accounts are pretty uninteresting including the related party notes that can have some unexpected, juicy items in them.
For completeness and for reference by everyone, our average consolidated loss over the last 4 years is £3.2m:
30/06/14 - £7.3m loss
30/06/15 - £5.5m profit
30/06/16 - £6.6m loss
30/06/17 - £4.3m loss
Interestingly if you extend this to 30/06/13 when we lost £9.8m, this creeps the average loss up to £4.5m per year which is probably less than I'd expect.
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So that’s a net loss and capital outlay of nearly £13m over four years. The profit in just one year was only as a result of selling assets (ie players). If you then take into account the previous years the losses were higher still. So the point of the OP is clearly a bad one not supported by any evidence. How is it flaky to subsidise the club to the tube of millions every year? The debt owed to him will almost certainly never be repaid. | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 22:55 - Apr 14 with 3640 views | Oxford_Blue |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 20:14 - Apr 14 by Ftnfwest | Very true, although he then adds it onto the debt anyway |
It’s a capital outlay. The debt will never be repaid unless the club is promoted and even then we would need to secure premiership income for several years. | | | |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 07:23 - Apr 15 with 3555 views | TractorWood |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 22:21 - Apr 14 by Oxford_Blue | So that’s a net loss and capital outlay of nearly £13m over four years. The profit in just one year was only as a result of selling assets (ie players). If you then take into account the previous years the losses were higher still. So the point of the OP is clearly a bad one not supported by any evidence. How is it flaky to subsidise the club to the tube of millions every year? The debt owed to him will almost certainly never be repaid. |
I don't disagree. However, the average loss figures you quoted don't reflect the reality of the last few years. It's right he'll never get the those early year losses back. Money was spent poorly by a naïve set up. | |
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Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 07:33 - Apr 15 with 3542 views | ElderGrizzly |
Flaky mentality at ITFC - all comes from Marcus Evans on 07:23 - Apr 15 by TractorWood | I don't disagree. However, the average loss figures you quoted don't reflect the reality of the last few years. It's right he'll never get the those early year losses back. Money was spent poorly by a naïve set up. |
Last four years they have averaged lower, i agree. Earlier years there were losses of over £16m a year. And as you and others have said, he’ll never see the money again. But back to the OP, as with all his posts, it doesn’t use Head and Shoulders | | | |
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