| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake 18:34 - Jun 16 with 27655 views | imsureazzure |
on the date for the first riot?
16th or 17th of June for me. |  | | |  |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:37 - Jun 16 with 8793 views | taximan |
i do hope not |  | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:44 - Jun 16 with 8765 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:37 - Jun 16 by taximan |
i do hope not |
Well of course not. But it would hardly be surprising to see civil unrest after recent events. |  |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:54 - Jun 16 with 8728 views | vapour_trail |
500 people marching on Downing Street apparently.
16th currently looking more likely. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:56 - Jun 16 with 8715 views | taximan |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:44 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Well of course not. But it would hardly be surprising to see civil unrest after recent events. |
by "recent events" i presume you mean the fire
i fail to see how a tragedy such as this justifies rioting
what would they be rioting/protesting against ?? | | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:02 - Jun 16 with 8690 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:56 - Jun 16 by taximan |
by "recent events" i presume you mean the fire
i fail to see how a tragedy such as this justifies rioting
what would they be rioting/protesting against ?? |
Of course I mean the fire.
I've not seen anybody justify rioting, where have you extrapolated that from? I did you offer approval to edl protesters assaulting the police last week, but there we go.
What do you think they might be protesting about in London this week? | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:07 - Jun 16 with 8672 views | taximan |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:02 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Of course I mean the fire.
I've not seen anybody justify rioting, where have you extrapolated that from? I did you offer approval to edl protesters assaulting the police last week, but there we go.
What do you think they might be protesting about in London this week? |
i'm sure the rioters will try to justify their actions one way or another | | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:08 - Jun 16 with 8670 views | imsureazzure |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:54 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
500 people marching on Downing Street apparently.
16th currently looking more likely. |
That is a righteous protest and should be well supported.
Hope the nihilists do not hijack it. | | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:09 - Jun 16 with 8662 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:07 - Jun 16 by taximan |
i'm sure the rioters will try to justify their actions one way or another |
You keep on cheering on the racists pal. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:10 - Jun 16 with 8657 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:08 - Jun 16 by imsureazzure |
That is a righteous protest and should be well supported.
Hope the nihilists do not hijack it. |
I just don't see this ending well. There's far too much anger and there will be far too many people wanting a piece of it. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:17 - Jun 16 with 8622 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 18:54 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
500 people marching on Downing Street apparently.
16th currently looking more likely. |
There will be a lot of people 'watching' something unfolding for tomorrow. Been told to expect more than 20,000 and Tommy Robinson's lot are apparently planning something too.
About 1,000 outside Downing Street tonight as well
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:17 - Jun 16 with 8625 views | chicoazul |
Seems like people in Kensington are threatening the councillors who are responsible for giving them houses. |  |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:23 - Jun 16 with 8588 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:17 - Jun 16 by chicoazul |
Seems like people in Kensington are threatening the councillors who are responsible for giving them houses. |
Should they be offering thank you cards then? | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:31 - Jun 16 with 8562 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:23 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Should they be offering thank you cards then? |
Theresa May has been holed up on a church, while a portion of a crowd outside have been heard threatening to kill her.
And then they wondered why her detail wouldn't let her out to speak to them.
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:45 - Jun 16 with 8516 views | giant_stow |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:31 - Jun 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Theresa May has been holed up on a church, while a portion of a crowd outside have been heard threatening to kill her.
And then they wondered why her detail wouldn't let her out to speak to them.
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:46 - Jun 16 with 8513 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:45 - Jun 16 by giant_stow |
Heard by who? |
The media who were there reporting on it. | | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:49 - Jun 16 with 8504 views | NewcyBlue |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:46 - Jun 16 by ElderGrizzly |
The media who were there reporting on it. |
The media that are awfully sensationalist?
Unfortunately things will probably get blown out of all proportion and it is bound to boil over.
I can only hope that the protest stays peaceful, and that those that need help are given it. Quickly.
A summer of discontent..... |  |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:51 - Jun 16 with 8491 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:49 - Jun 16 by NewcyBlue |
The media that are awfully sensationalist?
Unfortunately things will probably get blown out of all proportion and it is bound to boil over.
I can only hope that the protest stays peaceful, and that those that need help are given it. Quickly.
A summer of discontent..... |
Indeed. The focus should be on helping the residents and victims, but it is being hijacked by certain social media commentators to further their own cause.
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:54 - Jun 16 with 8484 views | Guthrum |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:23 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Should they be offering thank you cards then? |
It's been less than three days since it happened. They surely can't expect all relief work and accommodation to have been sorted already, let alone a proper investigation of the fire's causes?
Or, like the riots in 2011, are there people piggybacking on a genuine dispute as an excuse to kick off? |  |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:00 - Jun 16 with 8444 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 19:54 - Jun 16 by Guthrum |
It's been less than three days since it happened. They surely can't expect all relief work and accommodation to have been sorted already, let alone a proper investigation of the fire's causes?
Or, like the riots in 2011, are there people piggybacking on a genuine dispute as an excuse to kick off? |
Perhaps they can return to their sports centres and wait for the volunteers to sort it out then.
There should be leadership in terms of delivering the humanitarian response, and leadership in terms of offering dialogue to people searching for their loved ones.
Both have been painfully absent. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:18 - Jun 16 with 8395 views | imsureazzure |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:00 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Perhaps they can return to their sports centres and wait for the volunteers to sort it out then.
There should be leadership in terms of delivering the humanitarian response, and leadership in terms of offering dialogue to people searching for their loved ones.
Both have been painfully absent. |
How they are not all in hotels amazes me, somebody should have already been appointed as disaster manager and be driving assistance and publically informing. | | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:46 - Jun 16 with 8353 views | Guthrum |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:00 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Perhaps they can return to their sports centres and wait for the volunteers to sort it out then.
There should be leadership in terms of delivering the humanitarian response, and leadership in terms of offering dialogue to people searching for their loved ones.
Both have been painfully absent. |
There's no point in somebody standing up and saying "we don't have any information yet" over and over again.
There are casualties in a number of different hospitals, which need to be identified and their names collated. There is no list of who was in the building at the time of the fire. Some uninjured survivors will have dispersed to stay with friends or relatives. The building is structurally unsafe, so it is not possible to search the place thoroughly, let alone recover and identify bodies.
There is not so much surplus housing that homes can immediately be found for over a hundred households, who have lost all their possessions.
The government have announced an inquiry, have provided £5m towards rehousing costs, Tory and Labour leaders have visited the site, the London Mayor is doing a decent job and yet none of that seems to be good enough.
People want instant answers when that's simply not possible. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:49 - Jun 16 with 8342 views | vapour_trail |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:46 - Jun 16 by Guthrum |
There's no point in somebody standing up and saying "we don't have any information yet" over and over again.
There are casualties in a number of different hospitals, which need to be identified and their names collated. There is no list of who was in the building at the time of the fire. Some uninjured survivors will have dispersed to stay with friends or relatives. The building is structurally unsafe, so it is not possible to search the place thoroughly, let alone recover and identify bodies.
There is not so much surplus housing that homes can immediately be found for over a hundred households, who have lost all their possessions.
The government have announced an inquiry, have provided £5m towards rehousing costs, Tory and Labour leaders have visited the site, the London Mayor is doing a decent job and yet none of that seems to be good enough.
People want instant answers when that's simply not possible. |
Completely unacceptable.
As azzure says, they should be in hotels, they're in one of the richest cities in the world.
I know people leading the charity effort on the ground, and I've no reason to doubt their verdict on the official response.
Nobody expects instant answers. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:54 - Jun 16 with 8314 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:49 - Jun 16 by vapour_trail |
Completely unacceptable.
As azzure says, they should be in hotels, they're in one of the richest cities in the world.
I know people leading the charity effort on the ground, and I've no reason to doubt their verdict on the official response.
Nobody expects instant answers. |
There are apparently 1300 empty homes, owned by overseas investors within a 2 square mile radius of the tower.
It has been suggested they are rehomed in there, but it makes me slightly uneasy at taking someones property in that way.
Hotels are hopefully an option, but i'm off to London tomorrow and struggled to find a room for 2, let alone accommodation for 200. Certainly not this quickly.
They need to do something quickly and i'm sure they are, but they at least need to see progress of some sort | | | |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:58 - Jun 16 with 8281 views | Guthrum |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:54 - Jun 16 by ElderGrizzly |
There are apparently 1300 empty homes, owned by overseas investors within a 2 square mile radius of the tower.
It has been suggested they are rehomed in there, but it makes me slightly uneasy at taking someones property in that way.
Hotels are hopefully an option, but i'm off to London tomorrow and struggled to find a room for 2, let alone accommodation for 200. Certainly not this quickly.
They need to do something quickly and i'm sure they are, but they at least need to see progress of some sort |
I'm less uneasy if they're currently empty. Compulsory purchase or letting might be an option. | |
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| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:59 - Jun 16 with 8279 views | StokieBlue |
| Wasn't someone running a sweepstake on 20:54 - Jun 16 by ElderGrizzly |
There are apparently 1300 empty homes, owned by overseas investors within a 2 square mile radius of the tower.
It has been suggested they are rehomed in there, but it makes me slightly uneasy at taking someones property in that way.
Hotels are hopefully an option, but i'm off to London tomorrow and struggled to find a room for 2, let alone accommodation for 200. Certainly not this quickly.
They need to do something quickly and i'm sure they are, but they at least need to see progress of some sort |
It's completely wrong to house them there. If you do that then why stop there? Seize all empty homes, disregard rights and house people there.
It's an awful situation and I want the people housed somewhere as soon as possible but we can't bypass the generally accepted ownership laws.
What should happen is that said investors should step forward and offer their homes for nothing or a token fee from the council or a donation to charity but we all know that won't happen which is sad.
I think the end result is that we need to look at property purchases at the point-of-sale. They shouldn't be sold to people who don't intend to use them and if they are empty for a period of time without a good reason (illness or suchlike) then massive fines should be levied (perhaps the stamp duty amount to be paid every year if they are empty).
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