| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... 23:33 - Nov 23 with 2557 views | unstableblue |
... Rotherham!
Ipswich Town:
17/18 Season - 12th in championship, 15 points off the play-offs, -3 GD, playing some of the worst brand of football in living memory, boos and poison on the stands, manager sacked
18/19 - One of, if not, one of the worst managerial appointments in Town history, player dissent, new players completely out of their depth, relegation to Division 1
19/20 - Promising summer prep and early season form, then manager completely disconnects, and seems to be suffering from some deep issues, team falls apart and has no attacking potency
20/21 - Squad is now really unbalanced, inferior, and includes players who no longer want or should be at the club, repeat of 19/21.. stagnation, Cook fails to connect with dressing room, we finish 9th, 5 points off play-offs, 0 GD.
21/22 - 18 new players, complete rebuild of club on and off the pitch, loads of promise and some great displays, entertainment increasing, but our consistency is our inconsistency, and now form unravelling fast and we were completely abject against an excellent, settled, dynamic and strong Rotherham last night
Remind me again why we should expect to beat Rotherham? [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 7:50]
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 23:36 - Nov 23 with 2175 views | CokeIsKey |
That’s an interesting point Paul, thanks for that. |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 23:39 - Nov 23 with 2138 views | pointofblue |
Beat Rotherham? Just managing to give them a match would be nice. |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 23:43 - Nov 23 with 2109 views | ElderGrizzly |
It’s not expect to beat Rotherham, its aspire to be like them.
I think our owners have loftier ambitions for their huge investment, no matter how good Rotherham are in L1. Who have spent next to nothing to do so and sold their best player. |  | | |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 23:46 - Nov 23 with 2081 views | BseaBlue |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 23:43 - Nov 23 by ElderGrizzly |
It’s not expect to beat Rotherham, its aspire to be like them.
I think our owners have loftier ambitions for their huge investment, no matter how good Rotherham are in L1. Who have spent next to nothing to do so and sold their best player. |
Exactly this! The buzzword in football seems to be 'ceiling' and surely in terms of resources ours massively outweighs theirs and yet we are plodding along mid table in the third tier a million miles from where Rotherham are! |  | | |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 23:47 - Nov 23 with 2077 views | patrickswell |
I know you like to criticise late era McCarthy but “12th in League One for the 17/18 season” is stretching it even by your standards.... |  | | |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:06 - Nov 24 with 2001 views | timothyeo |
We've signed players they'd struggle to sign when in the championship
That Rotherham have a recent history better than ours is testament to a manager over performing.
Further evidence of ours under performing | | | |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:10 - Nov 24 with 1992 views | N2_Blue |
Well what’s the point in playing football if we shouldn’t expect to beat any team that has been a little bit more successful than us recently.
No clearly we should be a L1 mid table side for eternity.
Your argument may have a point if Rotherham had a budget bigger than ours to achieve what that have but they don’t.
Therefore if we were managed properly we should be able to outperform Rotherham. Not a divine right no but we have the resources. Unfortunately we appoint the wrong managers and as a club are mentally weak and fragile ever since Roy Keane walked the corridors here |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:14 - Nov 24 with 1988 views | jayessess |
Tonight? No one expected to beat Rotherham with this team.
In general? Well, you're failing as a football club if you invest more money in your manager and players, then end up with a worse team. That's not about having a "divine right", it's just how you establish a reasonable standard as a football club. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 0:19]
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:22 - Nov 24 with 1943 views | bournemouthblue |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:10 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
Well what’s the point in playing football if we shouldn’t expect to beat any team that has been a little bit more successful than us recently.
No clearly we should be a L1 mid table side for eternity.
Your argument may have a point if Rotherham had a budget bigger than ours to achieve what that have but they don’t.
Therefore if we were managed properly we should be able to outperform Rotherham. Not a divine right no but we have the resources. Unfortunately we appoint the wrong managers and as a club are mentally weak and fragile ever since Roy Keane walked the corridors here |
I hate saying it but the reality is it may take several years before we get things right
History tells you this with any set of wealthy owners, you rarely get instance success
I appreciate it's a poor league and we want results quickly and we should be expecting more from tonight
But it takes several years of upward momentum, something we haven't had for years |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:29 - Nov 24 with 1920 views | jayessess |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:22 - Nov 24 by bournemouthblue |
I hate saying it but the reality is it may take several years before we get things right
History tells you this with any set of wealthy owners, you rarely get instance success
I appreciate it's a poor league and we want results quickly and we should be expecting more from tonight
But it takes several years of upward momentum, something we haven't had for years |
I'm not sure history does tell us that at all. Who are we talking here? | |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 05:12 - Nov 24 with 1778 views | wkj |
The sooner you wake up and realise that we should be better than we are, the better.
Oldham Athletic at home, lower L2 - We let them play well - Tick
Colchester United at home, lower L2 - We let them play well - Tock
Oxford United away - We failed to take our chances - Tick
Oldham Athletic away - We let them play and looked equal to them - Tock
Sunderland - We played well, until we made changes, then failed - Beep Beep Beep
Rotherham at home - We were spanked, pure and simple - Times is up.
You really need to stop making excuses for Cook and the squad and see how sour the milk is at ITFC. We've played so bad against teams we should put away, that those results mean we can't afford to have results like the ones last night against teams who are 'better than us' on paper.
I am not saying Cook Out exactly, but I am saying people need to wake up and smell the coffee. If top two was the goal of the board this season, He's failing - and failing terribly. Should we continually make excuses for failure, or should be asking serious questions of Cook's performance - seems a no brainer to me. |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 06:52 - Nov 24 with 1656 views | Herbivore |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 05:12 - Nov 24 by wkj |
The sooner you wake up and realise that we should be better than we are, the better.
Oldham Athletic at home, lower L2 - We let them play well - Tick
Colchester United at home, lower L2 - We let them play well - Tock
Oxford United away - We failed to take our chances - Tick
Oldham Athletic away - We let them play and looked equal to them - Tock
Sunderland - We played well, until we made changes, then failed - Beep Beep Beep
Rotherham at home - We were spanked, pure and simple - Times is up.
You really need to stop making excuses for Cook and the squad and see how sour the milk is at ITFC. We've played so bad against teams we should put away, that those results mean we can't afford to have results like the ones last night against teams who are 'better than us' on paper.
I am not saying Cook Out exactly, but I am saying people need to wake up and smell the coffee. If top two was the goal of the board this season, He's failing - and failing terribly. Should we continually make excuses for failure, or should be asking serious questions of Cook's performance - seems a no brainer to me. |
I'd argue Rotherham aren't better than us on paper, if you compare the players at their disposal to the squad at our disposal I think you'd be hard pressed to say they have superior resources at their disposal. On the pitch however they were light years better than us, and that comes down to them being well drilled and playing high tempo football that we just couldn't cope with. Our lack of cohesion and a total absence of a tactical plan was horribly exposed last night. |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:20 - Nov 24 with 1579 views | textbackup |
i dont expect anything when it comes to ITFC. but lastnight we were fcking sht. not a single positive.
19 games in and we sit where we are, and i dont think we even have a sniff at playoffs. |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:52 - Nov 24 with 1485 views | unstableblue |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:20 - Nov 24 by textbackup |
i dont expect anything when it comes to ITFC. but lastnight we were fcking sht. not a single positive.
19 games in and we sit where we are, and i dont think we even have a sniff at playoffs. |
We were worse than sh!t and some the individual performances weren’t even league two standard | |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:54 - Nov 24 with 1459 views | chicoazul |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:52 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
We were worse than sh!t and some the individual performances weren’t even league two standard |
I guess those players just didn’t want it enough. |  |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:55 - Nov 24 with 1449 views | unstableblue |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 05:12 - Nov 24 by wkj |
The sooner you wake up and realise that we should be better than we are, the better.
Oldham Athletic at home, lower L2 - We let them play well - Tick
Colchester United at home, lower L2 - We let them play well - Tock
Oxford United away - We failed to take our chances - Tick
Oldham Athletic away - We let them play and looked equal to them - Tock
Sunderland - We played well, until we made changes, then failed - Beep Beep Beep
Rotherham at home - We were spanked, pure and simple - Times is up.
You really need to stop making excuses for Cook and the squad and see how sour the milk is at ITFC. We've played so bad against teams we should put away, that those results mean we can't afford to have results like the ones last night against teams who are 'better than us' on paper.
I am not saying Cook Out exactly, but I am saying people need to wake up and smell the coffee. If top two was the goal of the board this season, He's failing - and failing terribly. Should we continually make excuses for failure, or should be asking serious questions of Cook's performance - seems a no brainer to me. |
What excuses am I making for cook? See note below. Last night was completely unacceptable and cook deserves everything he gets
My point is people need to wake up to where we are as a club and our recent history/ multiple posts saying ‘it’s only Rotherham’ … ridiculous
“Tonight was completely unacceptable, albeit Rotherham were excellent across the park and deserve promotion which they will achieve - they were technical, energetic, organised and ruthless
Back to the model:
- have the better quality players who are settled and confident - feck off… Clements (bless him), evans, Penney, Chaplin, Toto were awful… eclipsed in every position apart from Fraser, Celina and Edmundson
- have the greater desire and energy - feck off, maybe only Edmundson, maybe bonne… everyone else were like rabbits on the headlights… this felt like Bolton after the promise
- have the better tactics, system of play, technical set-up… again this is back to Bolton, and worse there is no patterns of play to free bonne, overload wide, no stretch
Really bad night, really bad, massive pressure on cook and rightly | |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:56 - Nov 24 with 1443 views | Oldboy |
A squad that isn't as good as we thought/hoped. Add that to a manager who isn't as good as we thought/hoped and we are no where near Rotherham. It isn't just about last night, but the season. |  | | |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:58 - Nov 24 with 1427 views | wkj |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:55 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
What excuses am I making for cook? See note below. Last night was completely unacceptable and cook deserves everything he gets
My point is people need to wake up to where we are as a club and our recent history/ multiple posts saying ‘it’s only Rotherham’ … ridiculous
“Tonight was completely unacceptable, albeit Rotherham were excellent across the park and deserve promotion which they will achieve - they were technical, energetic, organised and ruthless
Back to the model:
- have the better quality players who are settled and confident - feck off… Clements (bless him), evans, Penney, Chaplin, Toto were awful… eclipsed in every position apart from Fraser, Celina and Edmundson
- have the greater desire and energy - feck off, maybe only Edmundson, maybe bonne… everyone else were like rabbits on the headlights… this felt like Bolton after the promise
- have the better tactics, system of play, technical set-up… again this is back to Bolton, and worse there is no patterns of play to free bonne, overload wide, no stretch
Really bad night, really bad, massive pressure on cook and rightly |
My post is aimed at the fact you believe the fans should change their perception. Not at all, as usual, the fans have picked themselves up from being bereft of hope - and are supporting the team in a way that Cook and the team frankly don't deserve to be supported right now.
Your model is just a bunch of waffle, sorry but it is. Cook and the coaches should be coaching the team into being competitive - it's as simple as that. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 8:00]
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 08:16 - Nov 24 with 1368 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 06:52 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
I'd argue Rotherham aren't better than us on paper, if you compare the players at their disposal to the squad at our disposal I think you'd be hard pressed to say they have superior resources at their disposal. On the pitch however they were light years better than us, and that comes down to them being well drilled and playing high tempo football that we just couldn't cope with. Our lack of cohesion and a total absence of a tactical plan was horribly exposed last night. |
Exactly.
As a group of highly talented, for league1, individuals, the team has to earn the right to be able to play the football that it evidently can and in turn win matches.
We were bullied physically, appear to be a bit mentally weak and created next to feck all.
Warne identified this and was tactically more astute. Rotherham,s 'keeper won't have an easier game this season. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 09:03 - Nov 24 with 1264 views | unstableblue |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 07:54 - Nov 24 by chicoazul |
I guess those players just didn’t want it enough. |
Rotherham players had a platform of confidence, self belief... and they had twice the desire we had to want to win battles and critically the belief to try things and be expansive
Combine that with poor quality at left back
And a system of play to supply Bonne that completely failed against the oppposition
It became a cl@sterf@ck.. depressing | |
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| !!THIS!! on 09:05 - Nov 24 with 1254 views | unstableblue |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 00:22 - Nov 24 by bournemouthblue |
I hate saying it but the reality is it may take several years before we get things right
History tells you this with any set of wealthy owners, you rarely get instance success
I appreciate it's a poor league and we want results quickly and we should be expecting more from tonight
But it takes several years of upward momentum, something we haven't had for years |
Look at the timeline of despair and appalling football and management we've endured...
How can anyone think that is going be fixed over night by bringing in a load of new players | |
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| !!THIS!! on 09:09 - Nov 24 with 1227 views | Herbivore |
| !!THIS!! on 09:05 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
Look at the timeline of despair and appalling football and management we've endured...
How can anyone think that is going be fixed over night by bringing in a load of new players |
I don't buy this line of argument at all. The overwhelming majority of our squad has zero association with previous managers or owners. Why would they need turning around exactly? It's just more flannel to inexplicably seek to excuse a failing manager. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 9:10]
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| !!THIS!! on 09:20 - Nov 24 with 1178 views | timothyeo |
| !!THIS!! on 09:05 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
Look at the timeline of despair and appalling football and management we've endured...
How can anyone think that is going be fixed over night by bringing in a load of new players |
That's just a handy excuse.
No club our size or similar gets relegated from the Championship without baggage (even those down the road had protests against owners, cheap option putting Gunn in as manager, several years of Champs mediocrity), but pretty much all of them put up a better fight than we have. | | | |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 09:20 - Nov 24 with 1175 views | chicoazul |
| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 09:03 - Nov 24 by unstableblue |
Rotherham players had a platform of confidence, self belief... and they had twice the desire we had to want to win battles and critically the belief to try things and be expansive
Combine that with poor quality at left back
And a system of play to supply Bonne that completely failed against the oppposition
It became a cl@sterf@ck.. depressing |
But it’s still not the managers fault, am I right | |
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| I just wanted to pick up this vibe that we have a divine right as better than... on 09:26 - Nov 24 with 1157 views | Steve_M |
You whinged your way through McCarthy's time here despite the year on year improvement from 2012-15 and, yet, you are relaxed about being mid-table in League One for a third successive season.
It's really odd. |  |
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