| Happy flighting.... 20:34 - Apr 17 with 3461 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Happy flighting.... on 20:42 - Apr 17 with 3404 views | Illinoisblue |
1 person confirmed dead. Presumably the women who was injured when sucked part way through the window.
Actually somewhat comforting that an engine can blow out and the plane still lands safely. |  |
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| Happy flighting.... on 21:00 - Apr 17 with 3333 views | Rob88 |
| Happy flighting.... on 20:42 - Apr 17 by Illinoisblue |
1 person confirmed dead. Presumably the women who was injured when sucked part way through the window.
Actually somewhat comforting that an engine can blow out and the plane still lands safely. |
That is luck and not judgement.
Very strange for a CFM engine to go bang as well....hmmm [Post edited 17 Apr 2018 21:05]
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| Happy flighting.... on 21:07 - Apr 17 with 3313 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Happy flighting.... on 20:42 - Apr 17 by Illinoisblue |
1 person confirmed dead. Presumably the women who was injured when sucked part way through the window.
Actually somewhat comforting that an engine can blow out and the plane still lands safely. |
They’re not sure tbh right now. Reports of a passenger having a heart attack, but not sure if one and the same.
I think the being sucked out is an exaggeration in these reports, as it simply wouldn’t happen in the way described with a modern airplane. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:09 - Apr 17 with 3307 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:00 - Apr 17 by Rob88 |
That is luck and not judgement.
Very strange for a CFM engine to go bang as well....hmmm [Post edited 17 Apr 2018 21:05]
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Not really luck, but good design in case this was to happen. Engine cowlings are designed to contain the main impact of the ‘blast’ and the airplane can happily fly on 1 engine.
Still, not good! | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:17 - Apr 17 with 3282 views | Rob88 |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:09 - Apr 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Not really luck, but good design in case this was to happen. Engine cowlings are designed to contain the main impact of the ‘blast’ and the airplane can happily fly on 1 engine.
Still, not good! |
So to be airworthy you must be able to show containment capability in the event of a blade off but you cannot design against a disc or shaft failure, energies involved are too high. You therefore design these critical components to a cyclic life requirement with probability of failure to something like 1 in so many 10’s or 100’s of millions.
This is clearly an uncontained engine failure where it looks like the entire front stage has let go. You’d need a different view to see deduce how many but you can be reasonably sure the fan stage has let go at the very least.
This is a hazardous event and by that very definition threatens the safety of the entire aircraft. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:20 - Apr 17 with 3270 views | tcblue |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:17 - Apr 17 by Rob88 |
So to be airworthy you must be able to show containment capability in the event of a blade off but you cannot design against a disc or shaft failure, energies involved are too high. You therefore design these critical components to a cyclic life requirement with probability of failure to something like 1 in so many 10’s or 100’s of millions.
This is clearly an uncontained engine failure where it looks like the entire front stage has let go. You’d need a different view to see deduce how many but you can be reasonably sure the fan stage has let go at the very least.
This is a hazardous event and by that very definition threatens the safety of the entire aircraft. |
Are you saying they need to fix it before going home? | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:27 - Apr 17 with 3241 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:17 - Apr 17 by Rob88 |
So to be airworthy you must be able to show containment capability in the event of a blade off but you cannot design against a disc or shaft failure, energies involved are too high. You therefore design these critical components to a cyclic life requirement with probability of failure to something like 1 in so many 10’s or 100’s of millions.
This is clearly an uncontained engine failure where it looks like the entire front stage has let go. You’d need a different view to see deduce how many but you can be reasonably sure the fan stage has let go at the very least.
This is a hazardous event and by that very definition threatens the safety of the entire aircraft. |
Agree, it is hazardous and uncontained, but the containment that did happen and design that led to that has probably saved the plane.
I’m sure a lawsuit will still appear though.
Still, another part of the story is how many passengers haven’t used the oxygen masks correctly or have continued using their phones/headphones. Morons.
I fly about 200 times a year and only once had a failure and that resulted in an emergency landing into JFK with full brace position as the BA747 had lost all hydraulics and didn’t have all landing gear down properly. First incident the Captain had experienced in 40 years. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:35 - Apr 17 with 3217 views | Rob88 |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:20 - Apr 17 by tcblue |
Are you saying they need to fix it before going home? |
But of spit and polish and should be alreet | | | |
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| Happy flighting.... on 21:36 - Apr 17 with 3214 views | Illinoisblue |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:07 - Apr 17 by ElderGrizzly |
They’re not sure tbh right now. Reports of a passenger having a heart attack, but not sure if one and the same.
I think the being sucked out is an exaggeration in these reports, as it simply wouldn’t happen in the way described with a modern airplane. |
yes, I think there's probably some tabloid hyperbole at work there | |
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| Happy flighting.... on 21:43 - Apr 17 with 3182 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:36 - Apr 17 by Illinoisblue |
yes, I think there's probably some tabloid hyperbole at work there |
Yep, It’s the usual ‘eye-witness’ reports that get reported after events like this, which then turn out to be nothing like the truth | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:48 - Apr 17 with 3165 views | Illinoisblue |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:43 - Apr 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Yep, It’s the usual ‘eye-witness’ reports that get reported after events like this, which then turn out to be nothing like the truth |
either way, a good avert for choosing the aisle seat! | |
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| Happy flighting.... on 21:55 - Apr 17 with 3143 views | J2BLUE |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:27 - Apr 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree, it is hazardous and uncontained, but the containment that did happen and design that led to that has probably saved the plane.
I’m sure a lawsuit will still appear though.
Still, another part of the story is how many passengers haven’t used the oxygen masks correctly or have continued using their phones/headphones. Morons.
I fly about 200 times a year and only once had a failure and that resulted in an emergency landing into JFK with full brace position as the BA747 had lost all hydraulics and didn’t have all landing gear down properly. First incident the Captain had experienced in 40 years. |
I seriously question humanity when people choose moments like that to take selfies. |  |
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| Happy flighting.... on 21:58 - Apr 17 with 3133 views | Rob88 |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:48 - Apr 17 by Illinoisblue |
either way, a good avert for choosing the aisle seat! |
I always find myself sitting in a window seat adjacent to the engine and It always makes me uneasy at takeoff. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 23:13 - Apr 17 with 3052 views | Kievthegreat |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:17 - Apr 17 by Rob88 |
So to be airworthy you must be able to show containment capability in the event of a blade off but you cannot design against a disc or shaft failure, energies involved are too high. You therefore design these critical components to a cyclic life requirement with probability of failure to something like 1 in so many 10’s or 100’s of millions.
This is clearly an uncontained engine failure where it looks like the entire front stage has let go. You’d need a different view to see deduce how many but you can be reasonably sure the fan stage has let go at the very least.
This is a hazardous event and by that very definition threatens the safety of the entire aircraft. |
Fan system still there and looks intact (If a blade goes the whole things a bloody mess). Same with the containment case. The part that's come off at the front is just the Intake cowling. That's not a structural section and you can see it's made from lightweight honeycomb as opposed to the solid metal of the next section.
What's interesting is the significant damage to the inside fan cowl door. Could suggest that there was a failure in the hot end of the engine, just out of sight of the cameras? Or could just be a result of the Intake failing.
I'm more inclined to think it's probably cowling that's broken the window rather than a major engine component. The window that actually broke is actually behind the wing and quite far back from the engine. A rotating component spat out would go quite straight. Additionally the force they'd be expelled at can literally cut through the skin of an aircraft like it was nothing. I'd expect an "exit wound". [Post edited 17 Apr 2018 23:14]
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| Happy flighting.... on 08:35 - Apr 18 with 2919 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:27 - Apr 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree, it is hazardous and uncontained, but the containment that did happen and design that led to that has probably saved the plane.
I’m sure a lawsuit will still appear though.
Still, another part of the story is how many passengers haven’t used the oxygen masks correctly or have continued using their phones/headphones. Morons.
I fly about 200 times a year and only once had a failure and that resulted in an emergency landing into JFK with full brace position as the BA747 had lost all hydraulics and didn’t have all landing gear down properly. First incident the Captain had experienced in 40 years. |
Just seen the footage......does anybody watch the pre flight safety instructions! And then to film yourself doing it wrong......."The Society of the Spectacle." |  |
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| Happy flighting.... on 09:04 - Apr 18 with 2902 views | Rob88 |
| Happy flighting.... on 23:13 - Apr 17 by Kievthegreat |
Fan system still there and looks intact (If a blade goes the whole things a bloody mess). Same with the containment case. The part that's come off at the front is just the Intake cowling. That's not a structural section and you can see it's made from lightweight honeycomb as opposed to the solid metal of the next section.
What's interesting is the significant damage to the inside fan cowl door. Could suggest that there was a failure in the hot end of the engine, just out of sight of the cameras? Or could just be a result of the Intake failing.
I'm more inclined to think it's probably cowling that's broken the window rather than a major engine component. The window that actually broke is actually behind the wing and quite far back from the engine. A rotating component spat out would go quite straight. Additionally the force they'd be expelled at can literally cut through the skin of an aircraft like it was nothing. I'd expect an "exit wound". [Post edited 17 Apr 2018 23:14]
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It was a fan blade off. What’s strange is it was contained by the fan case (or so it seems) but the picture almost makes it seem as if it has gone forward and hence shredded the cowling. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 12:09 - Apr 18 with 2847 views | nc41 |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:00 - Apr 17 by Rob88 |
That is luck and not judgement.
Very strange for a CFM engine to go bang as well....hmmm [Post edited 17 Apr 2018 21:05]
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I would say a lot of skill and judgement with some luck. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 12:20 - Apr 18 with 2831 views | Rob88 |
| Happy flighting.... on 12:09 - Apr 18 by nc41 |
I would say a lot of skill and judgement with some luck. |
Given it doesn’t appear to be a critical component that has failed I would agree. I think had it been an uncontained failure of a critical component you would say that they were bloody lucky. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 12:31 - Apr 18 with 2806 views | nc41 |
| Happy flighting.... on 12:20 - Apr 18 by Rob88 |
Given it doesn’t appear to be a critical component that has failed I would agree. I think had it been an uncontained failure of a critical component you would say that they were bloody lucky. |
Agree, to a degree.
Any kind of failure resulting in a safe landing would take enormous amounts of skill and judgement - not just luck. | | | |
| Happy flighting.... on 13:18 - Apr 18 with 2762 views | SpruceMoose |
| Happy flighting.... on 21:27 - Apr 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree, it is hazardous and uncontained, but the containment that did happen and design that led to that has probably saved the plane.
I’m sure a lawsuit will still appear though.
Still, another part of the story is how many passengers haven’t used the oxygen masks correctly or have continued using their phones/headphones. Morons.
I fly about 200 times a year and only once had a failure and that resulted in an emergency landing into JFK with full brace position as the BA747 had lost all hydraulics and didn’t have all landing gear down properly. First incident the Captain had experienced in 40 years. |
200 times a year!? You might as well just become a pilot! |  |
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