| Jackson.... 18:23 - Mar 16 with 3879 views | homer_123 |
....just brilliant.
As good a cross as you'll see and was an absolute constant threat from the minute he was on.
Will he always be underrated? An absolute team player....delighted for him. |  |
| |  |
| Jackson.... on 23:54 - Mar 16 with 751 views | IPS_wich |
So pleased for him.
His single biggest issue is he was sold to the fans as a centre forward and if we judge him in that (including as the stop gap between Hirst and Moore) - he’s clearly not up to this level,
But as a right winger, he a more than capable back up and he showed this again yesterday. I was very happy with him coming on to replace Burns but if he’d come on to replace Moore I would have been shaking my head. |  | | |
| Jackson.... on 07:54 - Mar 17 with 642 views | jayessess |
| Jackson.... on 23:17 - Mar 16 by LankHenners |
Well I already mentioned wide players not being expected to be accurate all the time and the other parts of Jackson's game so not really sure why you've decided to drag me over the coals about them.
Just thought he wasn't as good today as the thread made out, as I think happens fairly regularly with him as it does with certain other players (for broadly speaking the inverse of your 3rd para). Fine to disagree, I don't really care, just a bit tedious to be talked down to like I'm stupid because of it. |
I mean, the actual content of your post is just that Jackson's poor because he didn't complete some crosses (seriously, re-read it, you've made no substantive evaluation of him other than that). That you've put a caveat about not completing every cross or offered a backhanded compliment about his effort and speed is pretty immaterial really.
You're getting "tediously" explained to because you've done the same thing all his big critics do with extra words.
Jackson's been an excellent fringe player for us this season. He's been not just up to the level but actively good. There are clubs in this division whose first choice right wingers have contributed less, let alone their third choice. |  |
| |
| Jackson.... on 08:05 - Mar 17 with 634 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Jackson.... on 22:35 - Mar 16 by jayessess |
7 goals/assists in 778 minutes of football this season. That's an outstanding impact from a fringe player full stop.
Wingers put in a lot of crosses that don't connect with a forward player, it's in the nature of crossing. Leif Davis completed 4/12 today, Kayden Jackson 1/4, Wes Burns 0/2. Burns and Davis completed 2/11 at Cardiff. Any time you attempt to complete a cross, there'll be more defensive players in the zone you're trying to hit than there are attacking players, so you'll fail more often than not.
When football fans don't rate a player, they tend to see common occurrences (like incomplete crosses or not scoring from a shooting opportunity) as evidence that they aren't up to it in fundamental ways, when in reality those things happen to every player.
You say "general performance" but basically just note whether he completed crosses. General performance includes all that stuff about off-the-ball movement, defensive work, simple involvement in our play that you basically take for granted. |
Not sure how Burns was 0/2 when he assisted the opener |  | | |
| Jackson.... on 08:12 - Mar 17 with 625 views | jayessess |
| Jackson.... on 08:05 - Mar 17 by _clive_baker_ |
Not sure how Burns was 0/2 when he assisted the opener |
Didn't meet Opta or whoever's definition of a cross, I'd guess. | |
| |
| Jackson.... on 08:21 - Mar 17 with 610 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Jackson.... on 08:12 - Mar 17 by jayessess |
Didn't meet Opta or whoever's definition of a cross, I'd guess. |
Bit odd.
‘A ball played from a wide position targeting a teammate(s) in a central area within proximity to the Goal. The delivery must have an element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal’.
Would’ve said it meets that definition myself. Burns also did well to put a ball in that was headed behind for the corner we scored our 2nd from. So to your point, it’s an unsuccessful cross (presumably, although no idea what meets the above definition), but was excellent work and ultimately fruitful. | | | |
| Jackson.... on 08:35 - Mar 17 with 597 views | jayessess |
| Jackson.... on 08:21 - Mar 17 by _clive_baker_ |
Bit odd.
‘A ball played from a wide position targeting a teammate(s) in a central area within proximity to the Goal. The delivery must have an element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal’.
Would’ve said it meets that definition myself. Burns also did well to put a ball in that was headed behind for the corner we scored our 2nd from. So to your point, it’s an unsuccessful cross (presumably, although no idea what meets the above definition), but was excellent work and ultimately fruitful. |
I'd guess they'd say Hutchinson wasn't "in a central area within proximity to the goal".
On cleared crosses, think it's extremely subjective what constitutes a good cross that's well-defended and a poor one. We tend to tear our hair out when a cross doesn't beat the first man, but sometimes that happens because the door shuts on your best passing option (better than a speculative high ball) right at the last moment. | |
| |
| Jackson.... on 09:08 - Mar 17 with 556 views | LankHenners |
| Jackson.... on 07:54 - Mar 17 by jayessess |
I mean, the actual content of your post is just that Jackson's poor because he didn't complete some crosses (seriously, re-read it, you've made no substantive evaluation of him other than that). That you've put a caveat about not completing every cross or offered a backhanded compliment about his effort and speed is pretty immaterial really.
You're getting "tediously" explained to because you've done the same thing all his big critics do with extra words.
Jackson's been an excellent fringe player for us this season. He's been not just up to the level but actively good. There are clubs in this division whose first choice right wingers have contributed less, let alone their third choice. |
I never said he’s poor that’s complete rubbish, just said I think how well he actually played is a bit below the praise he’s getting in the thread. You’ve dismissed everything I said because you’ve decided it doesn’t qualify as a meaningful comment for some reason. As has been pointed out your use of stats is a bit flawed as they don’t tell the whole picture.
I appreciate your whole ‘thing’ on here is to show off how much smarter you are than everyone and be patronising in your responses but come on, you don’t have to be this much of a berk just because of disagreement over a player’s ability ffs. |  |
| |
| Jackson.... on 09:46 - Mar 17 with 528 views | jayessess |
| Jackson.... on 09:08 - Mar 17 by LankHenners |
I never said he’s poor that’s complete rubbish, just said I think how well he actually played is a bit below the praise he’s getting in the thread. You’ve dismissed everything I said because you’ve decided it doesn’t qualify as a meaningful comment for some reason. As has been pointed out your use of stats is a bit flawed as they don’t tell the whole picture.
I appreciate your whole ‘thing’ on here is to show off how much smarter you are than everyone and be patronising in your responses but come on, you don’t have to be this much of a berk just because of disagreement over a player’s ability ffs. |
I don't think "poor" is a particularly outlandish reading of "Quality on the ball lacking quite considerably".
IMO he's got praise entirely proportionate to having a good game in a 6-0 win as our 3rd-choice right winger. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Jackson.... on 11:06 - Mar 17 with 475 views | ibbleobble |
Wish his other had come off for Broadhead so he had another assist. It’s the kind of service he used to give Norwood. | | | |
| Jackson.... on 11:15 - Mar 17 with 465 views | Herbivore |
| Jackson.... on 20:42 - Mar 16 by ITFC_84 |
Yep.
Let’s not go over the top here.
Decent. Works hard. A good ball for Broadhead today.
But, as we’ve seen multiple times, not good enough for this level. |
He's managed a goal contribution about every 150 minutes this season. If that's not good enough for this level, I'd suggest you have an unrealistically high bar for what constitutes 'good enough'. |  |
| |
| Jackson.... on 11:20 - Mar 17 with 460 views | GeoffSentence |
| Jackson.... on 21:04 - Mar 16 by Steve_M |
If he had got that volley right it would have been an outstanding goal, seems harsh to judge him on that. |
Indeed. Some people set KJ an exceptionally high standard just to be considered good enough. KJ was excellent yesterday, but he would have to be on a level with Van Basten to have made that volley, and even Van Basten wouldn't get it right every time. |  |
| |
| Jackson.... on 11:35 - Mar 17 with 441 views | DJR |
| Jackson.... on 11:15 - Mar 17 by Herbivore |
He's managed a goal contribution about every 150 minutes this season. If that's not good enough for this level, I'd suggest you have an unrealistically high bar for what constitutes 'good enough'. |
And some of the minutes he has played include those where he was forced, due to injuries, to play up front as the lone striker which is not his game.
The other impressive thing with Jackson, and I am not sure if it's been mentioned on this thread, is his tracking back and defensive work. |  | | |
| Jackson.... on 13:15 - Mar 17 with 386 views | LankHenners |
| Jackson.... on 09:46 - Mar 17 by jayessess |
I don't think "poor" is a particularly outlandish reading of "Quality on the ball lacking quite considerably".
IMO he's got praise entirely proportionate to having a good game in a 6-0 win as our 3rd-choice right winger. |
Yeah I thought his general use of the ball and sharpness on/when receiving wasn’t that great but, as I did mention despite you trying to saying I didn’t, his work rate was as good as you’d expect from him as he always runs his socks off, plus it was a great ball in for Broadhead’s goal. Wouldn’t, and didn’t, say he was poor by any means. Thought he contributed well but he’s just not on the same level as the other forward players, hence why he’s down the pecking order and used more sparingly.
Speaks to McKenna’s man management skills and tactical workings that by and large all the ‘subs’ have been used very effectively when called upon. Only really times where someone’s been put in due to no other option where they’ve looked a bit lost (Jackson at Stoke for example).
If you thought he was ‘brilliant’ then that’s fine. I don’t agree, would save that adjective for Hutchinson myself. | |
| |
| Jackson.... on 13:48 - Mar 17 with 360 views | jasondozzell |
Great post. Couldn't agree more
Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Jackson playing in the Prem under McKenna.
His story embodies everything that's great about KMac's management and culture. Willing to work hard, no complaining at the squad role, switched on and alert and ready to contribute, and benefiting from a coach who sees his strengths and works to develop him as a player.
Would be something really fitting about him and hopefully Donacien too still being here having been here during the very darkest days of the Evans era. [Post edited 17 Mar 13:50]
|  | | |
| Jackson.... on 13:55 - Mar 17 with 338 views | Vegtablue |
| Jackson.... on 22:10 - Mar 16 by LankHenners |
Seems to be one of a few players that people love to laud when they make an impact of any kind regardless of general performance, which is fine really as sport would be dull if everything was mechanically evaluated based on hitting statistical targets. Also true that when you get a big win everyone's brilliant, outstanding etc. but a loss means everyone was awful and should be out the team.
The cross for the goal was great, thought his quality on the ball other than that was lacking quite considerably to be honest. Probably says something that he didn't really take the time to think about the assist whereas every other time he was played down the line and had time he didn't put it near where it should have gone (obviously they can't all go right for any wide player).
You know what you're going to get with Jackson - technically a level or so below the rest of the forwards (hence why he's rarely been used outside of needs must situations this season) but works incredibly hard for the team and just the knowledge that he's got pace to burn gives defenders something different to worry about.
To be honest I feel quite sorry for him as I do think if we weren't such a mess as a club during the bulk of his time here he'd have had a better career in terms of playing and scoring goals had he gone to, say, Peterborough instead. |
I like to think he's enjoyed a rewarding career with us. He could have been a key player for a L1 club, sure, but instead he's made important contributions to a team battling for automatics at the level above. He played a third of last season's minutes (84% of games) and is on track for a quarter of this season (64% of games), which is enough to know you're very much part of the squad in my book. I don't think "rarely used outside of needs must" is a fair characterisation for the season, as much as he's recently been relegated to 3rd choice with the January arrivals and a fully fit squad. It would be unfair to ignore the ample attacking options on the bench today, which gave McKenna plenty of choice following Burns' injury. Hutch's superb performance down the centre may even have promoted Jackson to 2nd choice behind Wes for the right flank, with a fully fit squad (although I suspect Chappers keeps the centre).
Indeed, Jackson's one of 351 players who have met the participation requirements to appear on the Fotmob rating table. It is the mechanical evaluation of players based on hitting statistical targets, effectively, based on over 300 individual stats per player per match by Opta. Jackson is ranked 299th on the list, with an average rating of 6.57. His placing reinforces the position that he isn't a Championship starter, but it also strengthens the case that he is a capable squad player. Most clubs have trusted only 14 players with enough league involvement to feature on here, after all, and he slots in above the 13th rated player at many of these clubs.
In respect to yesterday, he scored 7.7/10. Burns scored 7.1 with his assist, Broadhead 8.0 with his goal and assist. It was a good performance from him, objectively, in addition to a brilliant cross, and I thought he was unfortunate when Moore turned down the one-two opportunity in the 2nd half. | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
