| We should get Downes in..... 08:03 - Jul 21 with 2392 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
.....to clean Sam's boots!! Morsey is the beating heart of our team and how it functions, we really need to keep him. |  |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 08:22 - Jul 21 with 2318 views | Stewart27 |
If we lost Morsy we’d already be significantly weaker than last season even with the additions.
He’s the beating heart.
Not irreplaceable though so there would need to be something huge lined up. Somebody in the Downes mould. |  | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 08:24 - Jul 21 with 2304 views | SaigonTractor |
I really want to keep him, but if his head has been turned by the wages on offer then we need to bite the bullet and accept we cannot compete with oil state money.
Rinse them for a silly fee, then use the money to buy a younger replacement. I'll be gutted if Morsey leaves, but I have faith our scouting department has already been looking at potential successors given his age. Even if the time to move him on has come much faster than we've expected. |  | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 08:35 - Jul 21 with 2240 views | SenatorBlue |
1 year on contract, I’d politely suggest an agent working up the best contract extension package he can get. 31 is probably his last “big one”. Then he can go to SA at around 33/34. He’s the beating heart of our team. |  | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 08:53 - Jul 21 with 2105 views | Westcountryblue |
Flynn Downes wouldn't be a bad shout for 5-8m.
However, even at 32, i think Morsy still has 3 really good years in him. He's a model pro, stays injury free, doesn't drink (which helps) and is a massive leader, both on and off the pitch. Given his impact and the amount of points he's probably won for us, he deserves improved terms, if this is his agent trying to force the clubs hand.
If not, we need to charge the Saudis through the nose and get as much out of them as possible. You cannot replace a player like Morsy on the cheap without it having a significant impact on the squad. | | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:04 - Jul 21 with 2047 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| We should get Downes in..... on 08:53 - Jul 21 by Westcountryblue |
Flynn Downes wouldn't be a bad shout for 5-8m.
However, even at 32, i think Morsy still has 3 really good years in him. He's a model pro, stays injury free, doesn't drink (which helps) and is a massive leader, both on and off the pitch. Given his impact and the amount of points he's probably won for us, he deserves improved terms, if this is his agent trying to force the clubs hand.
If not, we need to charge the Saudis through the nose and get as much out of them as possible. You cannot replace a player like Morsy on the cheap without it having a significant impact on the squad. |
I think wages would be the big stumbling block with Downes.
The way the club is run now, I’d be very much surprised if they hadn’t conducted some continuity planning for Morsy given his age. We are so much more professionally run now, contrast that with the deadline day sale of Murphy with no time to replace. | | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:05 - Jul 21 with 2044 views | Westcountryblue |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:04 - Jul 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think wages would be the big stumbling block with Downes.
The way the club is run now, I’d be very much surprised if they hadn’t conducted some continuity planning for Morsy given his age. We are so much more professionally run now, contrast that with the deadline day sale of Murphy with no time to replace. |
Agreed and agreed ! | | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:52 - Jul 21 with 1871 views | ArnieM |
Not sure why people keep banging on about Downes returning to Town. He didn’t want to play for us. He made that quite cheat when PL came calling. So why on earth would people think he’d return to a lower level now, when is at his boyhood club? |  |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 09:53 - Jul 21 with 1858 views | Stewart27 |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:04 - Jul 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think wages would be the big stumbling block with Downes.
The way the club is run now, I’d be very much surprised if they hadn’t conducted some continuity planning for Morsy given his age. We are so much more professionally run now, contrast that with the deadline day sale of Murphy with no time to replace. |
Hang on, hang on.
We got Leon Best to replace Murphy actually.
I’ve still got his poster on my wall. | | | |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 09:54 - Jul 21 with 1852 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:52 - Jul 21 by ArnieM |
Not sure why people keep banging on about Downes returning to Town. He didn’t want to play for us. He made that quite cheat when PL came calling. So why on earth would people think he’d return to a lower level now, when is at his boyhood club? |
Probably because it looks like they want to move him on. I’d have thought he’d get another gig in the PL, but what do I know. I’d have him back in a shot if there was a chance. He’d be an upgrade on Morsy the player, but not Morsy the leader (I’d rather have both of them, but that would be ridiculous). [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 9:55]
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| We should get Downes in..... on 09:58 - Jul 21 with 1827 views | ipswichtillidie |
Won’t happen. Valued around 15million. Plus didn’t want to be here before which adds a different dimension anyway even if we could afford him…. Which we can but won’t pay that fee. |  |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 09:58 - Jul 21 with 1826 views | Rimsy |
We shouldn't let Sam go unless it's a silly fee. I don't get all this about Downes, he was here long enough and hardly tore up the league. Think we could do much better than him if Morsy was to go, not that I think he will. |  |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 09:59 - Jul 21 with 1813 views | ipswichtillidie |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:52 - Jul 21 by ArnieM |
Not sure why people keep banging on about Downes returning to Town. He didn’t want to play for us. He made that quite cheat when PL came calling. So why on earth would people think he’d return to a lower level now, when is at his boyhood club? |
Couldn’t agree with this more. Loved him as a player but the purest in me knows he didn’t want to be here… he won’t come anyway and we won’t pay the fee so thankfully won’t be discussing this one again this summer [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 10:00]
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| We should get Downes in..... on 10:00 - Jul 21 with 1811 views | StokieBlue |
| We should get Downes in..... on 08:35 - Jul 21 by SenatorBlue |
1 year on contract, I’d politely suggest an agent working up the best contract extension package he can get. 31 is probably his last “big one”. Then he can go to SA at around 33/34. He’s the beating heart of our team. |
As confirmed by Phil and EADT, he's got 2 years on his contract.
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| We should get Downes in..... on 10:01 - Jul 21 with 1801 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:58 - Jul 21 by ipswichtillidie |
Won’t happen. Valued around 15million. Plus didn’t want to be here before which adds a different dimension anyway even if we could afford him…. Which we can but won’t pay that fee. |
This ‘he didn’t want to be here’ angle from a lot of people is pretty meaningless imo. They’re professionals and move to get on, same as any of us in our careers. He certainly seems well out of our reach though, financially and just our level. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 10:02]
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| We should get Downes in..... on 10:01 - Jul 21 with 1799 views | the_toff |
| We should get Downes in..... on 08:24 - Jul 21 by SaigonTractor |
I really want to keep him, but if his head has been turned by the wages on offer then we need to bite the bullet and accept we cannot compete with oil state money.
Rinse them for a silly fee, then use the money to buy a younger replacement. I'll be gutted if Morsey leaves, but I have faith our scouting department has already been looking at potential successors given his age. Even if the time to move him on has come much faster than we've expected. |
That is the other way of looking at it. We're probably 12-24 months out from needing a successor to Morsy anyway, maybe this would just expedite that but with the benefit of reddies in the pocket to throw at a good replacement.
Personally I hope he does stay though. Tomorrow never comes in football, we're best equipped for the season ahead with Morsy in the squad than not both from a football perspective but also his influence and all round standards he brings. | | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 10:15 - Jul 21 with 1700 views | SaigonTractor |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:58 - Jul 21 by ipswichtillidie |
Won’t happen. Valued around 15million. Plus didn’t want to be here before which adds a different dimension anyway even if we could afford him…. Which we can but won’t pay that fee. |
Do you remember the Evans era in League One? I barely wanted to be here. Don't blame him one bit for moving. | | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 11:29 - Jul 21 with 1582 views | NeedhamChris |
| We should get Downes in..... on 09:52 - Jul 21 by ArnieM |
Not sure why people keep banging on about Downes returning to Town. He didn’t want to play for us. He made that quite cheat when PL came calling. So why on earth would people think he’d return to a lower level now, when is at his boyhood club? |
I agree the chances are unlikely....but if we lost Morsy and gained Downes I'd take that as a significant upgrade. | |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 11:30 - Jul 21 with 1577 views | chicoazul |
Can one of you come over here and punch me in the face really hard please |  |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 11:57 - Jul 21 with 1500 views | Naylorsrightboot |
| We should get Downes in..... on 11:29 - Jul 21 by NeedhamChris |
I agree the chances are unlikely....but if we lost Morsy and gained Downes I'd take that as a significant upgrade. |
What is the fuss with Downes? A) wet spam want around £15 million for him, which is way out of what we would pay. B) He never wanted to be here and made it quite clear. C) He never really looked that special when he played. D) He is no Sam Morsey. Has nowhere near the presence. If he leaves we need someone with Championship experience to come in. Sam is the main man in this team. Opposition teams won't be so worried about us if Sam isn't in the side. This really couldn't have come at a worse time. |  | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 12:11 - Jul 21 with 1469 views | itfcjoe |
| We should get Downes in..... on 11:57 - Jul 21 by Naylorsrightboot |
What is the fuss with Downes? A) wet spam want around £15 million for him, which is way out of what we would pay. B) He never wanted to be here and made it quite clear. C) He never really looked that special when he played. D) He is no Sam Morsey. Has nowhere near the presence. If he leaves we need someone with Championship experience to come in. Sam is the main man in this team. Opposition teams won't be so worried about us if Sam isn't in the side. This really couldn't have come at a worse time. |
A - No they don't
B - He wanted to leave when the club was an absolute mess, different team now
C - He was very good for us, and why he had so much interest in him
D - He has Championship experience, his last season there saw him earn a £10m move to the PL |  |
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| We should get Downes in..... on 12:20 - Jul 21 with 1449 views | Churchman |
| We should get Downes in..... on 10:01 - Jul 21 by Swansea_Blue |
This ‘he didn’t want to be here’ angle from a lot of people is pretty meaningless imo. They’re professionals and move to get on, same as any of us in our careers. He certainly seems well out of our reach though, financially and just our level. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 10:02]
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I understand what you are saying in that they’re professionals, move to get on etc, but I think there’s more to it than that.
The owners and CEO along with KM have made it crystal clear that they only want people here with the right attitude. They can be the worlds best player, but if they don’t buy in to what the club is doing on and off the field, they can look elsewhere. When I look at Chaplin, Morsy and others I see that.
When I think about Downes, would he buy into it? I don’t know because I don’t know him. But his attitude, body language etc in the last two years here told me, maybe incorrectly, that he wanted away. Fine, he’s a very good player and rightly looking after his career.
Personally, I’m happy for him to look after it elsewhere, assuming West Ham want rid of him, but as you say - it’s academic as he’s out of our reach financially anyway. |  | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 12:41 - Jul 21 with 1413 views | SenatorBlue |
| We should get Downes in..... on 10:00 - Jul 21 by StokieBlue |
As confirmed by Phil and EADT, he's got 2 years on his contract.
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That’s great to hear SB, and also Sam spoke well on Talksport. The perfect leader for us on and off the pitch, and a great player to boot. | | | |
| We should get Downes in..... on 13:34 - Jul 21 with 1335 views | Vegtablue |
| We should get Downes in..... on 11:57 - Jul 21 by Naylorsrightboot |
What is the fuss with Downes? A) wet spam want around £15 million for him, which is way out of what we would pay. B) He never wanted to be here and made it quite clear. C) He never really looked that special when he played. D) He is no Sam Morsey. Has nowhere near the presence. If he leaves we need someone with Championship experience to come in. Sam is the main man in this team. Opposition teams won't be so worried about us if Sam isn't in the side. This really couldn't have come at a worse time. |
Morsy's played in one good Championship squad in his long career and was let go. Hopefully this is his second and he'll be brilliant.
Downes may not be wanted by West Ham but they're a PL club with higher aspirations than survival. I think we're often guilty of forgetting the context in which players are performing.
I agree it's odd he keeps being mentioned mind, given he's earning good money at his dream club and has never suggested he would like to play for us again. His previous time here feels a negative on paper to any deal being realized. | | | |
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