| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:49 - Mar 5 with 1526 views | ElderGrizzly |
And as I mentioned below, paying £37bn for Test and Trace
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:51 - Mar 5 with 1507 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:49 - Mar 5 by ElderGrizzly |
And as I mentioned below, paying £37bn for Test and Trace
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They insisted on outsourcing it to a friend who hadn't a clue about it instead of using the NHS.
Dreadful mismanagement or deliberate corruption? |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:53 - Mar 5 with 1486 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:51 - Mar 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They insisted on outsourcing it to a friend who hadn't a clue about it instead of using the NHS.
Dreadful mismanagement or deliberate corruption? |
"Dreadful mismanagement or deliberate corruption?"
Either way not fit for office.
Doubtless someone will point out that they're trying their best. |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:55 - Mar 5 with 1481 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Would it not have been more palatable to say offer an increase for any NHS staff on the basic tax rate, or perhaps by job role? I can see the argument for a surgeon on £100k, but not those nurses etc on the front line? |  | | |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:59 - Mar 5 with 1446 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:53 - Mar 5 by You_Bloo_Right |
"Dreadful mismanagement or deliberate corruption?"
Either way not fit for office.
Doubtless someone will point out that they're trying their best. |
Doing their best and keeping those dreadful Labour lot out. | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:08 - Mar 5 with 1425 views | 26_Paz |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:55 - Mar 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Would it not have been more palatable to say offer an increase for any NHS staff on the basic tax rate, or perhaps by job role? I can see the argument for a surgeon on £100k, but not those nurses etc on the front line? |
Agree with this. Shouldn’t be one blanket policy across the whole of the NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical. As you’ve said a nurse who’s been dealing with corona should get more percentage wise than say a surgeon. |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:10 - Mar 5 with 1413 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:08 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
Agree with this. Shouldn’t be one blanket policy across the whole of the NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical. As you’ve said a nurse who’s been dealing with corona should get more percentage wise than say a surgeon. |
And yet you support slashing public spending, selling off libraries and cutting taxes for the richest.
Good of you to want to close the pay gap within the NHS, though. | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:11 - Mar 5 with 1402 views | Keno |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:08 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
Agree with this. Shouldn’t be one blanket policy across the whole of the NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical. As you’ve said a nurse who’s been dealing with corona should get more percentage wise than say a surgeon. |
trouble with this "NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical"
is a lot of clinical work couldn't be done without the admin baking it up |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:14 - Mar 5 with 1385 views | factual_blue |
There is always the money for what a government really wants to do. |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:16 - Mar 5 with 1371 views | Darth_Koont |
The inability to challenge the Tories on spending (over 4 or more decades) is probably the biggest thing holding the UK back or at least the root cause of most of our social and economic weaknesses.
I’d put most of that at the door of a predominantly right-wing and self-interested media that sees public services/infrastructure investment as irrelevant. And possibly even diluting their financial and political power over the country. |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:17 - Mar 5 with 1372 views | Keno |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:14 - Mar 5 by factual_blue |
There is always the money for what a government really wants to do. |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:18 - Mar 5 with 1365 views | ElderGrizzly |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:53 - Mar 5 by You_Bloo_Right |
"Dreadful mismanagement or deliberate corruption?"
Either way not fit for office.
Doubtless someone will point out that they're trying their best. |
It started off as a £12bn estimate, went to £22bn and now £37bn.
Yet they are about to start laying off staff, reducing the T&T workforce by 30%.
So where is the money going?
Interestingly in New Zealand, their equivalent service cost $6.4m to set up (£3.2m) and it works well. There are ongoing costs, but they're expecting them to be less than $15m per year. We spent over 2400 X what NZ spent, but only has 13 X the population. | | | |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:18 - Mar 5 with 1364 views | StokieBlue |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:08 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
Agree with this. Shouldn’t be one blanket policy across the whole of the NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical. As you’ve said a nurse who’s been dealing with corona should get more percentage wise than say a surgeon. |
Many doctors and surgeons were drafted in to help treat C19 patients, especially as many operations were cancelled.
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:25 - Mar 5 with 1321 views | WeWereZombies |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:11 - Mar 5 by Keno |
trouble with this "NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical"
is a lot of clinical work couldn't be done without the admin baking it up |
'is a lot of clinical work couldn't be done without the admin baking it up' Surely you are not accusing NHS admin cooking the books? Seems more likely that Westminster are cacking it up... |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:25 - Mar 5 with 1318 views | 26_Paz |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:10 - Mar 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
And yet you support slashing public spending, selling off libraries and cutting taxes for the richest.
Good of you to want to close the pay gap within the NHS, though. |
I support selling off libraries because demand for them has fallen off a cliff due to the invention of something called the internet. It’s just common sense. | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:29 - Mar 5 with 1300 views | MattinLondon |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:25 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
I support selling off libraries because demand for them has fallen off a cliff due to the invention of something called the internet. It’s just common sense. |
If you have happened to have been in a library within the last couple of years, then you’ll know that they are more than just books.
They are community hubs for adult learning, internet provider for people who can’t afford it as well as a provider for children/baby groups for parents.
If you close down libraries then you’ll also getting down community learning centres as well.
Maybe go on that internet thing and you’ll find this out. |  | | |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:34 - Mar 5 with 1274 views | Darth_Koont |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:18 - Mar 5 by StokieBlue |
Many doctors and surgeons were drafted in to help treat C19 patients, especially as many operations were cancelled.
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Indeed. I don’t think there’s really one area of the NHS that hasn’t been a part of handling the epidemic, directly or indirectly. | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:47 - Mar 5 with 1236 views | homer_123 |
Loads of happy clappers during Covid but who is willing to put their hand in their pocket to properly fund services likes the NHS?
I've said it before, the NHS along with Education and others should be ring fenced from political interference, a national debate needs to be had about how we properly fund these services, how much of our national budget is spent on them and how that money is obtained by government.
As an aside.....those supermarket workers who worked through the pandemic, who's businesses have made substantive profits during the last year.....are they going to see their wages increased? |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:51 - Mar 5 with 1229 views | StokieBlue |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:47 - Mar 5 by homer_123 |
Loads of happy clappers during Covid but who is willing to put their hand in their pocket to properly fund services likes the NHS?
I've said it before, the NHS along with Education and others should be ring fenced from political interference, a national debate needs to be had about how we properly fund these services, how much of our national budget is spent on them and how that money is obtained by government.
As an aside.....those supermarket workers who worked through the pandemic, who's businesses have made substantive profits during the last year.....are they going to see their wages increased? |
I suspect a lot of people would put their hands in their pockets to fund the NHS if that was guaranteed to be the destination of the money.
For instance, a 1% increase to income tax which was ringfenced for the NHS would likely gain a lot of traction in my view.
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:52 - Mar 5 with 1219 views | homer_123 |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:51 - Mar 5 by StokieBlue |
I suspect a lot of people would put their hands in their pockets to fund the NHS if that was guaranteed to be the destination of the money.
For instance, a 1% increase to income tax which was ringfenced for the NHS would likely gain a lot of traction in my view.
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I'd like to think so SB. | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:59 - Mar 5 with 1201 views | BlueBadger |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:08 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
Agree with this. Shouldn’t be one blanket policy across the whole of the NHS. Management and admin etc should be different from clinical. As you’ve said a nurse who’s been dealing with corona should get more percentage wise than say a surgeon. |
A significant proportion of surgeons have spent the past year working outside of their speciality to meet covid demands on services. Another significant proportion have been working considerably longer hours in an effort to catch up with waiting lists or otherwise meet strained service demands.
Divide and rule has always been the Tory way. We pulled together as one, you can recognise us as one. [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 10:08]
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 10:02 - Mar 5 with 1181 views | BlueBadger |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 08:51 - Mar 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They insisted on outsourcing it to a friend who hadn't a clue about it instead of using the NHS.
Dreadful mismanagement or deliberate corruption? |
Little from column A, little from column B.
If anyone's interested, £37BN is roughly 2x£350M a week, | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 10:04 - Mar 5 with 1172 views | pointofblue |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 10:02 - Mar 5 by BlueBadger |
Little from column A, little from column B.
If anyone's interested, £37BN is roughly 2x£350M a week, |
At least it explains where some of the magical savings from leaving the EU have gone. | |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 10:06 - Mar 5 with 1168 views | noggin |
IMHO, A one off 10% rise for all frontline, including admin and housekeeping, NHS staff would have been a massive morale boost, while they are still fighting Covid. These people are exhausted but turn up day in day out, to help others through this crisis. Yes it would cost money but as said elsewhere, the Government find money for less important things. |  |
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| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 10:07 - Mar 5 with 1158 views | BlueBadger |
| "1% is all we can afford" for the NHS on 09:25 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
I support selling off libraries because demand for them has fallen off a cliff due to the invention of something called the internet. It’s just common sense. |
My village library, provides internet access for those without internet access, reading and literacy services across all age brackets as well as mental health support groups, plus all sorts of other fun book-related things. And this is just a small village library.
Anyone wanting to deny access to these vital community services is as ignorant as they are stupid.
Doubly so if they're intermittently fond of w@nking on about the need to support people's mental health because they want to go to the pub.
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