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Also, let's not forget that police are humans, who are usually tired, over-stretched, under ever-increasing scrutiny and tasked to deal with more and more dross reports every day. You can't blame them if they sometimes lose their patience a bit when someone accuses them of stopping them just because of their ethnic background.
Actually you can. We are entitied to expect high professional standards from our public servants, especially when certain groups of them have the power to ruin another person's life.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:12 - Jun 12 by sparks
Something drew their attention. Either it was unreasonable suspicion at a black person in a car, or something else. I suspect the latter (one imagines police are hyper-aware of the risk of accusations of bias at present)- but without knowing how it started, we dont know.
It would be nice to believe it was something else and not some kind of subconscious bias, wouldn't it?
Purely anecdotal, but my friend back home used to get stopped driving his somewhat new Ford Focus round town on a regular basis (once, twice a month). Nothing ever came of these 'random' stops.
I had the same car at one point. I was never stopped. Both of us had clean licenses. Neither of us had police records. Both driving around at similar times of the day and night.
Can you work out what the difference between us is, and why that might result in him being accosted on a regular basis by police? I can certainly see how he would get sick and tired of being constantly harassed when minding his own business.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:13 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
Actually you can. We are entitied to expect high professional standards from our public servants, especially when certain groups of them have the power to ruin another person's life.
In principle- yes. In practice they are relatively modestly paid human beings doing, for the most part, their imperfect best.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:25 - Jun 12 by sparks
In principle- yes. In practice they are relatively modestly paid human beings doing, for the most part, their imperfect best.
And that's fine so long as we hold them accountable for their actions. They don't get a free pass because their job is tricky and they might be feeling a bit emotional one day.
As for their pay, quite often they're dealing with people on significantly lower incomes than they are so not sure that carries too much weight.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:28 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
And that's fine so long as we hold them accountable for their actions. They don't get a free pass because their job is tricky and they might be feeling a bit emotional one day.
As for their pay, quite often they're dealing with people on significantly lower incomes than they are so not sure that carries too much weight.
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Of course they dont get a free pass.
But we do have to recognise that the are human, routinely spat at, assaulted, threatened and abused for a salary of about 30k (max is abotu 40k for a constable I believe). When they err on the side of distrusting people, or being impatient with evasive people, or being robust with agressive people- they are probably doing so because they see these things a dozen times a week and 9 times out of ten, they are right. Doesnt make it fairer on those other occasions- but I do think we need to recognise what a desperately difficult job it is, and the effect that dealing with the unpleasant side of the public daily, must have.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:34 - Jun 12 by sparks
Of course they dont get a free pass.
But we do have to recognise that the are human, routinely spat at, assaulted, threatened and abused for a salary of about 30k (max is abotu 40k for a constable I believe). When they err on the side of distrusting people, or being impatient with evasive people, or being robust with agressive people- they are probably doing so because they see these things a dozen times a week and 9 times out of ten, they are right. Doesnt make it fairer on those other occasions- but I do think we need to recognise what a desperately difficult job it is, and the effect that dealing with the unpleasant side of the public daily, must have.
I'm more concerned about how they seem instinctively distrust people, lie and cover up for their colleagues and consistently act robustly with non aggressive people.
I'm sure many of the people they interact with would love a 30 or 40k a year salary though.
Police have no business bothering people on their own driveway and resorting to playing the race card when called on it. I don't care how fed up they are with their jobs. Go do something else if you can't handle it. There's no other public service job in which people would excuse the level of abuses we see because, well, it's a bit hard.
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Really Suffolk Police? on 14:07 - Jun 12 by itfcjoe
Was listening to an interesting point earlier from a comedian and it is to do with an episode of Seinfeld and his getting coffee in the car with comedians show.
They get pulled over by the police and JS think's it is great because it gives them a good ending to the show. He is with Chris Rock who is scared.
Rock can't understand how JS sees it as no big deal, because it is always a big deal as a black man, even if you are one of the most famous black men in the world.
Obviously it's a bit different in USA, but Rock posted on Instagram 3 times in 7 weeks pictures of him having been pulled over, presumably for driving an expensive car and being black.
This really opened my eyes about how some people are treated
What amazes me is that the cop must have known he was on camera. So why was he being such an arsehole?
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:40 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
I'm more concerned about how they seem instinctively distrust people, lie and cover up for their colleagues and consistently act robustly with non aggressive people.
I'm sure many of the people they interact with would love a 30 or 40k a year salary though.
Police have no business bothering people on their own driveway and resorting to playing the race card when called on it. I don't care how fed up they are with their jobs. Go do something else if you can't handle it. There's no other public service job in which people would excuse the level of abuses we see because, well, it's a bit hard.
You may well be right about local US police- I cant speak for them.
British police instinctively distrust people because they are repeatedly lied to every day- and if they took people at their word, the chances are that they and other people would get hurt, or escape justice.
And there ought to be no room for covering up poor conduct either (though a culture of people being vilified for genuine errors does encourage that).
No room for conduct which strays into abuse either.
But you appear to be very close to painting them all with the same brush- which is utterly unfair on the majority of hard working people doing a tough job. Police morale is already rock bottom, without all the good officers out there being led to think that everyone thinks they are dishonest thugs.
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The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Really Suffolk Police? on 14:21 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
It would be nice to believe it was something else and not some kind of subconscious bias, wouldn't it?
Purely anecdotal, but my friend back home used to get stopped driving his somewhat new Ford Focus round town on a regular basis (once, twice a month). Nothing ever came of these 'random' stops.
I had the same car at one point. I was never stopped. Both of us had clean licenses. Neither of us had police records. Both driving around at similar times of the day and night.
Can you work out what the difference between us is, and why that might result in him being accosted on a regular basis by police? I can certainly see how he would get sick and tired of being constantly harassed when minding his own business.
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Nobody fancied a guess at this one?!
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
It's a funny one really, because similar to the video Dan put up, it becomes obvious very quickly that a mistake has been made by the police but once they're in they're in, and instead of just accepting what they're told, they instead start doubling down.
I know when I was young I was getting stopped all the time when out driving, although there the profiling was my age and not my colour.
The attitude is apparent there though with the police, and although maybe the lady is a bit over-sensitive right now, that is still fully understandable.
It's a funny one really, because similar to the video Dan put up, it becomes obvious very quickly that a mistake has been made by the police but once they're in they're in, and instead of just accepting what they're told, they instead start doubling down.
I know when I was young I was getting stopped all the time when out driving, although there the profiling was my age and not my colour.
The attitude is apparent there though with the police, and although maybe the lady is a bit over-sensitive right now, that is still fully understandable.
Very unprofessional by the female copper there.
I still think the bigger issue is why were they questioned at all? One credible reason is that the police are (subconsciously) making judgements based on their colour. Given that Suffolk police have now apologised I can't see any other credible reason tbh.
Really Suffolk Police? on 19:02 - Jun 12 by bluelagos
I still think the bigger issue is why were they questioned at all? One credible reason is that the police are (subconsciously) making judgements based on their colour. Given that Suffolk police have now apologised I can't see any other credible reason tbh.
Yes I fully agree.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, that's what I meant by 'mistake'.
I would be extremely confused if I'd pulled onto a driveway on broad daylight and asked for my driving licence and I think it's more than fair to assume an element of profiling there.
Really Suffolk Police? on 15:58 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
Nobody fancied a guess at this one?!
I think we all know where you were going with that one. I will tell you a little story about my brother in law who travelled up to Liverpool one evening arriving in the early hours. He got stopped twice in the space of around 20 minutes, his crime was driving a Ford Escort XRi. On both occasions when he checked out who he was, the answer he got was "up here people out driving one of these cars early in the morning usually do not own it". So sometimes they should not make assumptions I guess, but they really do have a hard job to do which will have been made harder due to the events in the US and now Ipswich. As a side note the salary being quoted on here is way off the mark, very very low 20's when you start gradually rising with yearly increments, to no where near the upper figure quoted unless you rise through the ranks. I do think the choice of words by the female officer was inappropriate but we do not see what was said before the camera phone started. I think that during the interview with the senior Police officer on the news she alluded to there being a current operation in the area.
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Really Suffolk Police? on 20:06 - Jun 12 with 1328 views
Sorry if I wasn't clear, that's what I meant by 'mistake'.
I would be extremely confused if I'd pulled onto a driveway on broad daylight and asked for my driving licence and I think it's more than fair to assume an element of profiling there.
It seems so extreme- that in the current climate, I would be surprised if there was not more to it...
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Really Suffolk Police? on 20:01 - Jun 12 by gazzer1999
I think we all know where you were going with that one. I will tell you a little story about my brother in law who travelled up to Liverpool one evening arriving in the early hours. He got stopped twice in the space of around 20 minutes, his crime was driving a Ford Escort XRi. On both occasions when he checked out who he was, the answer he got was "up here people out driving one of these cars early in the morning usually do not own it". So sometimes they should not make assumptions I guess, but they really do have a hard job to do which will have been made harder due to the events in the US and now Ipswich. As a side note the salary being quoted on here is way off the mark, very very low 20's when you start gradually rising with yearly increments, to no where near the upper figure quoted unless you rise through the ranks. I do think the choice of words by the female officer was inappropriate but we do not see what was said before the camera phone started. I think that during the interview with the senior Police officer on the news she alluded to there being a current operation in the area.
Now imagine your brother in law was getting stopped like that once of twice a month minimum. That would be damn annoying, so who could blame him if he got peed off and bought a sensible family car instead.
But what if he was still getting stopped once or twice a month minimum just driving around in the same old car that many other people were driving around in?
I imagine he'd soon grow tired about that, and probably start to feel a little persecuted.
The police have a hard job now, because their chickens are coming home to roost.
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Really Suffolk Police? on 20:13 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
Now imagine your brother in law was getting stopped like that once of twice a month minimum. That would be damn annoying, so who could blame him if he got peed off and bought a sensible family car instead.
But what if he was still getting stopped once or twice a month minimum just driving around in the same old car that many other people were driving around in?
I imagine he'd soon grow tired about that, and probably start to feel a little persecuted.
The police have a hard job now, because their chickens are coming home to roost.
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Sprucie I agree with everything you have said in this post barring your last phrase about coming home to roost. That sounds very much like a few years ago when there was riots in London and a senior politician stated "the police got a good kicking". The amount of work that has been done by the police to improve is commendable, sometimes one person can undo all the good work, that happens in all walks of life. Don't tarnish them all with a catch all comment, we all may need them sometime.
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Really Suffolk Police? on 20:47 - Jun 12 with 1267 views
Really Suffolk Police? on 20:19 - Jun 12 by gazzer1999
Sprucie I agree with everything you have said in this post barring your last phrase about coming home to roost. That sounds very much like a few years ago when there was riots in London and a senior politician stated "the police got a good kicking". The amount of work that has been done by the police to improve is commendable, sometimes one person can undo all the good work, that happens in all walks of life. Don't tarnish them all with a catch all comment, we all may need them sometime.
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I'm not tarnishing them all, but the fact is that too often the good police have been too hesitant to either expel or distance themselves from the bad police. The first reaction always seems to be to circle the wagons, and in that sense it's like a gang, a gang with enormous powers.
Change needs to come from within the police. It's up to them to prove to the rest of us that they can be trusted to do the right thing when it matters.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
This is pathetic and the female copper is within her rights to say what she said and commend both of them for standing their ground. Just show your ID ffs and on you go. Drama Queens not everything is because of skin colour. I'm white and have been stopped numerous times over the years for ID while driving etc. This is pathetic its not even a story tbh but I'm sure the white coppers will be sacked, made out to be racist even though they have literally done Nothing wrong. Shameful.
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Really Suffolk Police? on 21:20 - Jun 12 with 1227 views
Really Suffolk Police? on 20:58 - Jun 12 by Girthyguy
This is pathetic and the female copper is within her rights to say what she said and commend both of them for standing their ground. Just show your ID ffs and on you go. Drama Queens not everything is because of skin colour. I'm white and have been stopped numerous times over the years for ID while driving etc. This is pathetic its not even a story tbh but I'm sure the white coppers will be sacked, made out to be racist even though they have literally done Nothing wrong. Shameful.
I feel foolish for taking you at face value when you posted this the other day.
Black lives matter... by Girthyguy6 Jun 2020 23:53 I'm sure il get banned for this but why do black lives matter more than any other colour? I really don't give a monkeys C..T what colour skin or religion anyone is aslong as they respect anyone of any religion or colour opposing their own. Is there any statistics out their proving Injustices whether it be white cops killing black suspects or vice versa. Just through personal experience black people get a free pass to racially abuse White people because of what I can only assume as their historical past. Can somebody please set the record straight for me and prove via facts that these protests are worth more than the lives it will kill and destroy due to the lack of social distancing. After all the BAME community are more susceptible to this killer virus that's sweeping across the world. Ps. I just want to be educated so I can understand better the reasons behind this rebellion that's probably going to cause more death and suffering than good.
Thank you.
You didn't want to be educated at all.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Really Suffolk Police? on 21:20 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
I feel foolish for taking you at face value when you posted this the other day.
Black lives matter... by Girthyguy6 Jun 2020 23:53 I'm sure il get banned for this but why do black lives matter more than any other colour? I really don't give a monkeys C..T what colour skin or religion anyone is aslong as they respect anyone of any religion or colour opposing their own. Is there any statistics out their proving Injustices whether it be white cops killing black suspects or vice versa. Just through personal experience black people get a free pass to racially abuse White people because of what I can only assume as their historical past. Can somebody please set the record straight for me and prove via facts that these protests are worth more than the lives it will kill and destroy due to the lack of social distancing. After all the BAME community are more susceptible to this killer virus that's sweeping across the world. Ps. I just want to be educated so I can understand better the reasons behind this rebellion that's probably going to cause more death and suffering than good.
Thank you.
You didn't want to be educated at all.
It was a facade for the true feelings.
A bit like this hiding behind the faux concern thing that's been apparent again lately.
"If I say this, maybe I can get away with also saying that".
Really Suffolk Police? on 20:06 - Jun 12 by sparks
It seems so extreme- that in the current climate, I would be surprised if there was not more to it...
The chap's resignation to the inevitable and saying to just give them what they [the police] want , just for a quiet life, suggested to me that he's been in a similar situation many times and is pretty much used to it.
That's probably not surprising if that's the case.
Really Suffolk Police? on 21:20 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
I feel foolish for taking you at face value when you posted this the other day.
Black lives matter... by Girthyguy6 Jun 2020 23:53 I'm sure il get banned for this but why do black lives matter more than any other colour? I really don't give a monkeys C..T what colour skin or religion anyone is aslong as they respect anyone of any religion or colour opposing their own. Is there any statistics out their proving Injustices whether it be white cops killing black suspects or vice versa. Just through personal experience black people get a free pass to racially abuse White people because of what I can only assume as their historical past. Can somebody please set the record straight for me and prove via facts that these protests are worth more than the lives it will kill and destroy due to the lack of social distancing. After all the BAME community are more susceptible to this killer virus that's sweeping across the world. Ps. I just want to be educated so I can understand better the reasons behind this rebellion that's probably going to cause more death and suffering than good.
Thank you.
You didn't want to be educated at all.
You know I'm right Spruce stop following the crowd being a great pretender.
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Really Suffolk Police? on 21:40 - Jun 12 with 1195 views
Really Suffolk Police? on 21:33 - Jun 12 by Girthyguy
You know I'm right Spruce stop following the crowd being a great pretender.
I think you need to grow up.
This isn't a game for some people.
I can forgive you being ignorant, but being flippant is harder to overlook.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Really Suffolk Police? on 21:40 - Jun 12 by SpruceMoose
I think you need to grow up.
This isn't a game for some people.
I can forgive you being ignorant, but being flippant is harder to overlook.
Just because my opinion on a situation is different to yours doesn't mean I need to 'grow up' or I am 'ignorant'. I am well aware that there are some genuine people who are black out there who feel they don't get the same opportunities in life or feel they are not treated as equals. But this movement has now become a platform for every decision made to be all about skin colour. This case proves it. Some of the utter cr@p coming out in the UK from people at the moment is embarrassing. It is disgraceful.
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