| The Stock Market 18:41 - Mar 12 with 9814 views | monytowbray |
Isn't it kind of worrying how vulnerable our entire financial system is when stuff like this happens? |  |
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| The Stock Market on 10:33 - Mar 13 with 5389 views | StokieBlue |
| The Stock Market on 10:30 - Mar 13 by ElephantintheRoom |
Except we already know from the Far East that this is containable. A wake up call perhaps - and a big opportunity for big pharma. Point is some shares are very attractive at the moment if you keep long term. |
None of that has anything to do with what I replied to your original and incorrect post.
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| The Stock Market on 10:47 - Mar 13 with 5364 views | flimflam |
| The Stock Market on 10:32 - Mar 13 by StokieBlue |
What's a "trader" in your definition?
Shorting isn't allowed by large institutions anymore.
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USA has no bans on shorting as I believe other countries the same.
What is a trader? Lots of things, broker, MM, hedge funds plus others. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 10:57 - Mar 13 with 5349 views | StokieBlue |
| The Stock Market on 10:47 - Mar 13 by flimflam |
USA has no bans on shorting as I believe other countries the same.
What is a trader? Lots of things, broker, MM, hedge funds plus others. |
Naked short selling was banned by the SEC in 2008 as was prop trading.
You honestly think the market move was due to short selling? It's a huge external shock event with repercussions for loads of companies.
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| The Stock Market on 11:15 - Mar 13 with 5329 views | Radlett_blue |
| The Stock Market on 18:55 - Mar 12 by connorscontract |
It's really simple. Ban shorting. Make all investments in shares subject to a minimum hold term: say a week, or a month. Would totally remove the day trading and casino trading model, and would smooth out panics. |
Do you also ban financial futures as well as they can't exist without shorting? |  |
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| The Stock Market on 11:28 - Mar 13 with 5312 views | Herbivore |
| The Stock Market on 11:15 - Mar 13 by Radlett_blue |
Do you also ban financial futures as well as they can't exist without shorting? |
Is gambling on the economy a good thing? I think this is part of the issue, the financial markets have gone from being a tool for investment in business to a huge sector that generates (or loses) vast sums of moment without really contributing anything tangible. Burn it down. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 11:42 - Mar 13 with 5296 views | Radlett_blue |
| The Stock Market on 11:28 - Mar 13 by Herbivore |
Is gambling on the economy a good thing? I think this is part of the issue, the financial markets have gone from being a tool for investment in business to a huge sector that generates (or loses) vast sums of moment without really contributing anything tangible. Burn it down. |
Financial futures were originally designed to allow farmers to reduce their risk of catastrophe by selling their product forward. Many futures & instruments are still used to reduce risk, rather than increase it. Yes, some people take huge leveraged positions in futures purely for potential speculative gain, but the sledgehammer approach to regulation could be unproductive and any regulation would require global agreement. | |
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| The Stock Market on 18:51 - Mar 27 with 5217 views | Max23B0 |
| The Stock Market on 11:42 - Mar 13 by Radlett_blue |
Financial futures were originally designed to allow farmers to reduce their risk of catastrophe by selling their product forward. Many futures & instruments are still used to reduce risk, rather than increase it. Yes, some people take huge leveraged positions in futures purely for potential speculative gain, but the sledgehammer approach to regulation could be unproductive and any regulation would require global agreement. |
Hey guys. I am new to all this stuff, do you think trading is real ? I mean, can you make money on it ? From nothing ? I have a friend that is earning a lot of money on it (at least he sais so), and I don't know should I believe him or no. He said that he is trading on https://www.investous.com/ , and that it's very profitable! I thought that all this stuff related to trading is a simple scam on the internet, and now I am really confused. This guy is not lying usually. If it's real, I would like to become a broker too, it should be awesome. Just staying at home and trading something on the internet and earning a lot of money. [Post edited 6 May 2020 10:08]
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| The Stock Market on 18:59 - Mar 27 with 5208 views | blueconscience |
Makes you wonder. If this virus has caused this much panic and chaos. What sort of outcome would a major Bio attack have.
Let’s hope seeing this doesn’t motivate anyone to do such an attack in the future. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 19:10 - Mar 27 with 5198 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Stock Market on 19:01 - Mar 12 by BloomBlue |
Nationalise it, that always fixes everything |
Virgin Atlantic are expected to get the begging bowl out anytime soon, which will open the flood gates.
Would prefer to see any support being by share purchase as presumably when we are over this thing, and the economy recovers, the Government would be able to sell their stake at a profit. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 19:16 - Mar 27 with 5188 views | Pecker |
Bl00dy Tories. |  | | |
| The Stock Market on 22:19 - Mar 27 with 5139 views | ITFCson |
As someone who made my first buy/trade only 10 days ago this is an interesting thread. With sports betting not possible atm I thought maybe trading could now subsidise my income.
The markets may of been down a lot yesterday but all it done was correct the previous 48 hour gains. I’ve bought for the long game though although it’s interesting to see the rise and fall of my current portfolio. I’ve probably used a little too much leverage in places but I’m happy to take the more risk more reward approach.
Interestingly I see Cineworld get a mention. A chance conversation with a colleague last Monday is what encouraged me to finally take the plunge and get involved. He was telling me how they had dropped to 25p. They went on to drop to around 20p last Tuesday. Losing more than 90% from the previous high of the last year. The price then went crazy in the following few days - I’m guessing to some whale activity. Soon reaching a peak of 85 cents then going from 77 to 35 in the space of about 30 mins last Thursday. My view was if they don’t go bust which I don’t think they will then at some point I’m sure it’ll hit the $2 again and maybe beyond - just a question of when.
What are people’s views on how low you think we could go in general? Or is that just to hard to call because it’s going to depend how this covid virus plays out.
If anyone on here is a trader of shares would they be happy for me to PM any questions I may have. I’m using EToro and it seems I have so much to learn. I took a position in Oil a few days back and only today noticed the fee was around $200 a week for a very modest position. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 22:47 - Mar 27 with 5123 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The Stock Market on 22:19 - Mar 27 by ITFCson |
As someone who made my first buy/trade only 10 days ago this is an interesting thread. With sports betting not possible atm I thought maybe trading could now subsidise my income.
The markets may of been down a lot yesterday but all it done was correct the previous 48 hour gains. I’ve bought for the long game though although it’s interesting to see the rise and fall of my current portfolio. I’ve probably used a little too much leverage in places but I’m happy to take the more risk more reward approach.
Interestingly I see Cineworld get a mention. A chance conversation with a colleague last Monday is what encouraged me to finally take the plunge and get involved. He was telling me how they had dropped to 25p. They went on to drop to around 20p last Tuesday. Losing more than 90% from the previous high of the last year. The price then went crazy in the following few days - I’m guessing to some whale activity. Soon reaching a peak of 85 cents then going from 77 to 35 in the space of about 30 mins last Thursday. My view was if they don’t go bust which I don’t think they will then at some point I’m sure it’ll hit the $2 again and maybe beyond - just a question of when.
What are people’s views on how low you think we could go in general? Or is that just to hard to call because it’s going to depend how this covid virus plays out.
If anyone on here is a trader of shares would they be happy for me to PM any questions I may have. I’m using EToro and it seems I have so much to learn. I took a position in Oil a few days back and only today noticed the fee was around $200 a week for a very modest position. |
Good luck with that. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 07:57 - Mar 28 with 5069 views | No9 |
| The Stock Market on 08:01 - Mar 13 by hampstead_blue |
Problem with that is you are taking us back in time
Technology and the markets always forge ahead. Taking us back won't help.
If you want to restrict certain positions maybe add certain limits but I genuinely don't think stopping shorting would help.
After all many small investors rely on such positions. It's not just the big banks and Hedge Funds. |
"Technology and the markets always forge ahead."
Except for the fact the experience with video recorders / tapes demonstrate that comment is not true | | | |
| The Stock Market on 08:16 - Mar 28 with 5049 views | jimmyvet |
| The Stock Market on 22:19 - Mar 27 by ITFCson |
As someone who made my first buy/trade only 10 days ago this is an interesting thread. With sports betting not possible atm I thought maybe trading could now subsidise my income.
The markets may of been down a lot yesterday but all it done was correct the previous 48 hour gains. I’ve bought for the long game though although it’s interesting to see the rise and fall of my current portfolio. I’ve probably used a little too much leverage in places but I’m happy to take the more risk more reward approach.
Interestingly I see Cineworld get a mention. A chance conversation with a colleague last Monday is what encouraged me to finally take the plunge and get involved. He was telling me how they had dropped to 25p. They went on to drop to around 20p last Tuesday. Losing more than 90% from the previous high of the last year. The price then went crazy in the following few days - I’m guessing to some whale activity. Soon reaching a peak of 85 cents then going from 77 to 35 in the space of about 30 mins last Thursday. My view was if they don’t go bust which I don’t think they will then at some point I’m sure it’ll hit the $2 again and maybe beyond - just a question of when.
What are people’s views on how low you think we could go in general? Or is that just to hard to call because it’s going to depend how this covid virus plays out.
If anyone on here is a trader of shares would they be happy for me to PM any questions I may have. I’m using EToro and it seems I have so much to learn. I took a position in Oil a few days back and only today noticed the fee was around $200 a week for a very modest position. |
Please don’t think I am being rude but your post was for humour wasn’t it your not actually playing this out are you ? | | | |
| The Stock Market on 11:10 - Mar 28 with 5006 views | pbishop1799 |
| The Stock Market on 22:19 - Mar 27 by ITFCson |
As someone who made my first buy/trade only 10 days ago this is an interesting thread. With sports betting not possible atm I thought maybe trading could now subsidise my income.
The markets may of been down a lot yesterday but all it done was correct the previous 48 hour gains. I’ve bought for the long game though although it’s interesting to see the rise and fall of my current portfolio. I’ve probably used a little too much leverage in places but I’m happy to take the more risk more reward approach.
Interestingly I see Cineworld get a mention. A chance conversation with a colleague last Monday is what encouraged me to finally take the plunge and get involved. He was telling me how they had dropped to 25p. They went on to drop to around 20p last Tuesday. Losing more than 90% from the previous high of the last year. The price then went crazy in the following few days - I’m guessing to some whale activity. Soon reaching a peak of 85 cents then going from 77 to 35 in the space of about 30 mins last Thursday. My view was if they don’t go bust which I don’t think they will then at some point I’m sure it’ll hit the $2 again and maybe beyond - just a question of when.
What are people’s views on how low you think we could go in general? Or is that just to hard to call because it’s going to depend how this covid virus plays out.
If anyone on here is a trader of shares would they be happy for me to PM any questions I may have. I’m using EToro and it seems I have so much to learn. I took a position in Oil a few days back and only today noticed the fee was around $200 a week for a very modest position. |
I strongly recommend *not* using eToro, Plus500 or any of the other CFD providers to trade. The spreads are wide, and there are many fees involved...
Trading fee, exchange fee, withdrawal fee, non-usage fee etc.
75%+ of accounts lose money with these firms. The profit made by the 25% who don't is likely negligible.
The 'copy trading' feature is also highly suspect. Read the terms; I'm stunned it's actually legal.
Additionally, from what I can tell, the people you 'copy' seem to benefit from tighter spreads which improves their profitability.
Steer well clear. This isn't really investing, it's betting. And frankly - it's a scam.
On the subject of short-selling: in principle their is nothing wrong 'selling' a company which is badly managed or overvalued. Up till very recently, virtually every index in the world was overvalued. It would have corrected anyway. [Post edited 28 Mar 2020 11:13]
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| The Stock Market on 17:08 - Mar 28 with 4940 views | ITFCson |
| The Stock Market on 08:16 - Mar 28 by jimmyvet |
Please don’t think I am being rude but your post was for humour wasn’t it your not actually playing this out are you ? |
I wouldn’t waste my time writing out a lengthy post like that for humour. Maybe I was naive to thinking there are other town fans on this forum who successfully make money from trading. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 17:14 - Mar 28 with 4934 views | ITFCson |
| The Stock Market on 11:10 - Mar 28 by pbishop1799 |
I strongly recommend *not* using eToro, Plus500 or any of the other CFD providers to trade. The spreads are wide, and there are many fees involved...
Trading fee, exchange fee, withdrawal fee, non-usage fee etc.
75%+ of accounts lose money with these firms. The profit made by the 25% who don't is likely negligible.
The 'copy trading' feature is also highly suspect. Read the terms; I'm stunned it's actually legal.
Additionally, from what I can tell, the people you 'copy' seem to benefit from tighter spreads which improves their profitability.
Steer well clear. This isn't really investing, it's betting. And frankly - it's a scam.
On the subject of short-selling: in principle their is nothing wrong 'selling' a company which is badly managed or overvalued. Up till very recently, virtually every index in the world was overvalued. It would have corrected anyway. [Post edited 28 Mar 2020 11:13]
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Thanks for the reply. Where better would you suggest I buy my shares/trade? I don’t wish to come across arrogant but the percentage of people losing at sports betting is probably near 95% or more and I manage to be in the minority that profits from it. I’m confident with enough learning and dedication I can be in the 25% that profit from trading.
I’m surprised by the general negativity towards the stock market. I must be missing something because to me it appears a great time to be buying many different shares at very low prices. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 17:20 - Mar 28 with 4923 views | jeera |
| The Stock Market on 17:08 - Mar 28 by ITFCson |
I wouldn’t waste my time writing out a lengthy post like that for humour. Maybe I was naive to thinking there are other town fans on this forum who successfully make money from trading. |
Take no notice, he's rude to everyone. It's not personal.
I wish atm that I knew more about the markets than I do because I would be tempted to play a little.
But I don't and am too lazy, (or if I'm honest, maybe a bit too nervous of what is relatively unknown to me) to research too much. |  |
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| The Stock Market on 17:45 - Mar 28 with 4908 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The Stock Market on 17:14 - Mar 28 by ITFCson |
Thanks for the reply. Where better would you suggest I buy my shares/trade? I don’t wish to come across arrogant but the percentage of people losing at sports betting is probably near 95% or more and I manage to be in the minority that profits from it. I’m confident with enough learning and dedication I can be in the 25% that profit from trading.
I’m surprised by the general negativity towards the stock market. I must be missing something because to me it appears a great time to be buying many different shares at very low prices. |
Forget all that and get on Football Index. | | | |
| The Stock Market on 12:00 - Mar 29 with 4849 views | ITFCson |
| The Stock Market on 17:45 - Mar 28 by tractorboy1978 |
Forget all that and get on Football Index. |
That too is on my radar. Have you had any success with FI and has it came easily? | | | |
| The Stock Market on 12:04 - Mar 29 with 4841 views | ITFCson |
| The Stock Market on 17:20 - Mar 28 by jeera |
Take no notice, he's rude to everyone. It's not personal.
I wish atm that I knew more about the markets than I do because I would be tempted to play a little.
But I don't and am too lazy, (or if I'm honest, maybe a bit too nervous of what is relatively unknown to me) to research too much. |
Thanks Jeera. It was a bizarre reply from Jimmy, I guess he has plenty of spare time on his hands. I too know very little about the markets and my investments could turn out to be bad. But I’m willing to take the risk. I’d be more gutted to do nothing and see the markets return to all time highs than I would be to get involved and lose my investments. I do suffer from FOMO!! | | | |
| The Stock Market on 12:20 - Mar 29 with 4825 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The Stock Market on 12:00 - Mar 29 by ITFCson |
That too is on my radar. Have you had any success with FI and has it came easily? |
I've been on the platform two years now and basically doubled my investment as it stands. I had a 10% drop when the Coronavirus stuff kicked off. It was impacted but nowhere near to the extent of the stock market.
I'd advise joining and playing with small stakes for a little while whilst you get used to it so you can gauge how value is driven etc. At the moment, with no football, a lot of the performance dividend earners have been dumped by people so that is particular long term value in that part of the market.
Of course, like anything you can lose. But I'd argue it's hard not to make money if you take the time to understand the platform, have a bit of football knowledge and don't panic when/if players drop (lots of people panicked recently and started instant selling players at a massive spread!). [Post edited 29 Mar 2020 12:22]
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| The Stock Market on 12:27 - Mar 29 with 4816 views | Bluefish |
| The Stock Market on 18:53 - Mar 12 by JakeITFC |
How would you prevent this being the case? |
That will mean reading beyond some activist tweet headline |  |
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