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The clip below should beggar belief that after 4 years this level of ignorance should still exist. But it does, as an almost dogmatic belief.
One where wacuous slogans are trotted out rather than any suggestion that those being interviewed have taken on board anything from the information freely available.
There's a Stephen Fry Brexit vid on Youtube that shows the top 10 Leave seats have very few immigrants living there. Their fear of immigrants is imaginary and comes from years of reading tabloid press headlines and accepting those headlines as unquestionable facts.
Yep, Clacton and Rochester, the only two seats to elect a UKIP MP, have very low levels of immigration.
Totally agree it's very hard and it's a situation when spending time on social media is only going to annoy people when they see things like this.
It's not even the higher ground, it's understanding that telling these people things isn't going to change their opinion - we have 5 years of evidence supporting that view. Something different needs to be tried - happy to hear suggestions on what that is.
SB
Shock, horror............ reasoned argument does not sway stupid people
so the question comes down to cause and effect
has 40 years of bigoted and untruthful press stories formed opinions, or have those press stories merely pandered to an existing market ?
an example of the level of stupidity brexiteers have willing swallowed (40 secs)
Shock, horror............ reasoned argument does not sway stupid people
so the question comes down to cause and effect
has 40 years of bigoted and untruthful press stories formed opinions, or have those press stories merely pandered to an existing market ?
an example of the level of stupidity brexiteers have willing swallowed (40 secs)
and the regurgitated
In which case surely we should be aiming our broadsides at the press and not people taken in by them? In either of your scenarios the press are to blame whether they are followers of the trend or instigators.
You've done it again though, called them stupid when it really wasn't required and essentially confirmed my point.
Exactly - lots of the mainstream media are massively complicit in letting an empty soundbite be presented as if it was an actual policy. Then, four years later they're asking the plebs what it actually means!
In which case surely we should be aiming our broadsides at the press and not people taken in by them? In either of your scenarios the press are to blame whether they are followers of the trend or instigators.
You've done it again though, called them stupid when it really wasn't required and essentially confirmed my point.
SB
'when it is not required'
suggests it is not a case of them not being stupid
You can barely help yourself when you hear some of the drivel.
You really just want to drown some of them so calling them names isn't so bad when you think about it.
I agree it's hugely frustrating and often one does want to just shout at the ill-informed opinions but we need to find another way. The current way hasn't worked and now we have Brexit.
I am sure remainers/rejoiners don't want to go down the Labour route of claiming they won the argument whilst being in the exact opposite position to what they wanted.
I don't know the answer, I just feel that continuing the cycle of insults isn't going to be the way.
I agree it's hugely frustrating and often one does want to just shout at the ill-informed opinions but we need to find another way. The current way hasn't worked and now we have Brexit.
I am sure remainers/rejoiners don't want to go down the Labour route of claiming they won the argument whilst being in the exact opposite position to what they wanted.
I don't know the answer, I just feel that continuing the cycle of insults isn't going to be the way.
SB
I was only trying to inject some light humour.
I dunno either mate.
I'm sick of the whole subject and yet still manage to be equally amazed and dismayed most days by some new level of crap.
That's barely English and incredibly hard to decipher but I don't feel the need to call you stupid for constructing your reply in such a manner.
It's counterproductive in the same way it is with regards to Brexit given the stage we are now at.
SB
[Post edited 2 Feb 2020 14:47]
so lets help you
'when it is not required'
suggests it is not a case of them not being stupid
it is one of my not pointing it out "
the first is a direct quote from you
the next points out that your gripe appears, not to be one of refuting the idea that brexiteers are stupid, but that folk are pointing out that they are stupid
suggests it is not a case of them not being stupid
it is one of my not pointing it out "
the first is a direct quote from you
the next points out that your gripe appears, not to be one of refuting the idea that brexiteers are stupid, but that folk are pointing out that they are stupid
(but I think you already knew that)
It's not a direct quote, you paraphrased it and you didn't bother about context.
Your repeated use of double-negatives makes your posts very hard to read - even now I don't think you've addressed my point.
I don't even understand what your last paragraph is supposed to mean.
All I've said is that calling people stupid, rightly or wrongly, is not going to move us forward to a point where we can start to resolve things.
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