| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? 20:37 - Dec 26 with 7239 views | Chondzoresk |
After a poor performance my step son waited at the end of the match to try and get Alan Judge’s shirt. He’s been doing this for some home matches now by holding his Irish Flag up. As an older fan walked past went up to him and aggressively asked him if he was “a member and supporter of the IRA”.
Now my step son is half Irish, but very, very much a Town fan for some years and myself for 40 years.
It wasn’t a political flag just the Irish tricolour with “Judgey, please can I have your shirt” written on it. My son is fuming, as I am. This person also insulted Alan Judge too. (But wasn’t in ear shot at the time.)
Just a quick question. Do we report this to the club?
A massive thank you to Alan Judge for actually bringing his shirt over to him.
Thanks guys!
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:23 - Dec 26 with 962 views | FifeITFC |
1) Did this happen inside or outside the stadium?
2) Is your stepson an adult or child? (Not that it changes what was said)
3) However offensive it seems, do you think it was the comment from just someone who said something in the heat of the moment because he/she was frustrated at the game or something more sinister and personal? |  |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:26 - Dec 26 with 949 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:18 - Dec 26 by eireblue |
You are wrong.
Race definition:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
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Irish people have a common history.
It is a racist comment.
It should be reported.
As with all groups of people that get abuse, it is the group, not the abuser that gets to decide what is un-acceptable. |
You’re confusing race with nationality. The law simply doesn’t recognise the Irish as a separate race to Caucasians.
It does see them as a different nationality. See the Equality Act.
You’re making the wrong point. |  | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:28 - Dec 26 with 946 views | Oxford_Blue |
Wikipedia isn’t the best way to respond.
You’re missing the point.
The law recognises we are different races, otherwise there would be no concept of racism or racial abuse. A white Irish person is the same race as a white English person. They are different nationalities. | | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:29 - Dec 26 with 941 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:21 - Dec 26 by jeera |
There's no reason whatsoever to focus on this.
The point of the thread was the abuse, the indication of which was clear.
The semantics aren't important surely. |
The point was that it’s not racism - as someone else asserted. It’s important to make the distinction.
I agree it’s not the key aspect here. As per my other post. | | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:34 - Dec 26 with 933 views | Trequartista |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:08 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
It’s not racism because the Irish aren’t a race. |
Oh you've done it now. |  |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:36 - Dec 26 with 931 views | Ryorry |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 20:55 - Dec 26 by Moriarty |
I would report that. I can understand the offence you both feel.
It is racist. |
Agree. You don't want to be hearing stuff like that anywhere you go. No excuse. |  |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:38 - Dec 26 with 933 views | eireblue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:26 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
You’re confusing race with nationality. The law simply doesn’t recognise the Irish as a separate race to Caucasians.
It does see them as a different nationality. See the Equality Act.
You’re making the wrong point. |
You are wrong.
If someone assumes I am a member or supporter of a terrorist organisation, based on how they perceive my race, they are racists.
Simple
If you want to play at more definitions:
"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."
“ The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because of your race.
In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality (including your citizenship). It can also mean your ethnic or national origins, which may not be the same as your current nationality. For example, you may have Chinese national origins and be living in Britain with a British passport.
Race also covers ethnic and racial groups. This means a group of people who all share the same protected characteristic of ethnicity or race.
A racial group can be made up of two or more distinct racial groups, for example black Britons, British Asians, British Sikhs, British Jews, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers.
You may be discriminated against because of one or more aspects of your race, for example people born in Britain to Jamaican parents could be discriminated against because they are British citizens, or because of their Jamaican national origins.”
People don’t like the term racist.
So play the definition game.
If people don’t want to be called racist. Don’t be a racist. |  | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:41 - Dec 26 with 922 views | footers |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:34 - Dec 26 by Trequartista |
Oh you've done it now. |
Says the bloke who thinks a decade has nine years in it. Jog on, Malarczyk. |  |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:50 - Dec 26 with 886 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:38 - Dec 26 by eireblue |
You are wrong.
If someone assumes I am a member or supporter of a terrorist organisation, based on how they perceive my race, they are racists.
Simple
If you want to play at more definitions:
"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."
“ The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because of your race.
In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality (including your citizenship). It can also mean your ethnic or national origins, which may not be the same as your current nationality. For example, you may have Chinese national origins and be living in Britain with a British passport.
Race also covers ethnic and racial groups. This means a group of people who all share the same protected characteristic of ethnicity or race.
A racial group can be made up of two or more distinct racial groups, for example black Britons, British Asians, British Sikhs, British Jews, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers.
You may be discriminated against because of one or more aspects of your race, for example people born in Britain to Jamaican parents could be discriminated against because they are British citizens, or because of their Jamaican national origins.”
People don’t like the term racist.
So play the definition game.
If people don’t want to be called racist. Don’t be a racist. |
The Irish aren’t a race.
Your example of British Muslims is not analogous because they are almost invariably a different ethnic group.
Any claim for racism under the Equality Act would fail and would not be brought. The claim would be for nationality.
Genetically, the Irish aren’t a race. If you think they are then basically every country in the world is a different race. | | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:53 - Dec 26 with 880 views | BlueBadger |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:26 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
You’re confusing race with nationality. The law simply doesn’t recognise the Irish as a separate race to Caucasians.
It does see them as a different nationality. See the Equality Act.
You’re making the wrong point. |
Why are you so desperate to excuse sh1t-witted bigotry with (flawed) semantic w*nkery? It comes across even more stupid when you're trying to tell someone from a nationality that in my lifetime has faced ridiculous prejudice that prejudice 'isn't prejudice'. |  |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:58 - Dec 26 with 869 views | BlueBadger |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:50 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
The Irish aren’t a race.
Your example of British Muslims is not analogous because they are almost invariably a different ethnic group.
Any claim for racism under the Equality Act would fail and would not be brought. The claim would be for nationality.
Genetically, the Irish aren’t a race. If you think they are then basically every country in the world is a different race. |
'A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, OR geographic distribution: the Celtic race.A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.'
Not sure what's so hard about that and why you're so despetrately trying to excuse and play down the sh*t witted bigotry experience by the OP. | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:59 - Dec 26 with 868 views | BlueBadger |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:18 - Dec 26 by eireblue |
You are wrong.
Race definition:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
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Irish people have a common history.
It is a racist comment.
It should be reported.
As with all groups of people that get abuse, it is the group, not the abuser that gets to decide what is un-acceptable. |
You've done it now, you've brought facts into it. | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:59 - Dec 26 with 869 views | eireblue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:50 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
The Irish aren’t a race.
Your example of British Muslims is not analogous because they are almost invariably a different ethnic group.
Any claim for racism under the Equality Act would fail and would not be brought. The claim would be for nationality.
Genetically, the Irish aren’t a race. If you think they are then basically every country in the world is a different race. |
“ In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality ...”
Did you read that bit?
These are not my examples.
From the Government site.
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It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:
age
gender reassignment
being married or in a civil partnership
being pregnant or on maternity leave
disability
race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
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Legally, race includes nationality or national origin.
Genetically, there is one human race.
You are wrong.
The comment is racist. | | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:04 - Dec 26 with 853 views | Trequartista |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:41 - Dec 26 by footers |
Says the bloke who thinks a decade has nine years in it. Jog on, Malarczyk. |
Think you've tried to be clever and got your sums wrong there | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:11 - Dec 26 with 849 views | eireblue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:53 - Dec 26 by BlueBadger |
Why are you so desperate to excuse sh1t-witted bigotry with (flawed) semantic w*nkery? It comes across even more stupid when you're trying to tell someone from a nationality that in my lifetime has faced ridiculous prejudice that prejudice 'isn't prejudice'. |
There was that documentary when the Muslim comedian met a member of the EDL.
They got on quite well, until the comedian used the R word about the EDL member.
Funny reaction given the context. | | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:17 - Dec 26 with 844 views | Trequartista |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:18 - Dec 26 by eireblue |
You are wrong.
Race definition:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
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Irish people have a common history.
It is a racist comment.
It should be reported.
As with all groups of people that get abuse, it is the group, not the abuser that gets to decide what is un-acceptable. |
"Humans considered as a group"
That's quite a wide definition, how far do you take that? Ginger people, Ipswich Town fans, people named Jed ? | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:26 - Dec 26 with 835 views | eireblue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:17 - Dec 26 by Trequartista |
"Humans considered as a group"
That's quite a wide definition, how far do you take that? Ginger people, Ipswich Town fans, people named Jed ? |
You have misread the definition.
4. = Human Race.
See 2 for the detail you are looking for.
If you don’t like the dictionary, scientific or legal definitions, take that up with the appropriate authorities.
Meanwhile, no need to be timid about calling a racist comment, a racist comment.
I’ll mention this again, someone called me out for using the term “Brits” in a post.
I apologised, and don’t use it anymore.
This isn’t difficult. | | | |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:34 - Dec 26 with 832 views | footers |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:04 - Dec 26 by Trequartista |
Think you've tried to be clever and got your sums wrong there |
Not me, sausage!
"If the first ever decade A.D. was 1-10 wouldn't the last decade be 2011-2020?"
Now show your working to the rest of the class.
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:35 - Dec 26 with 820 views | footers |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:26 - Dec 26 by eireblue |
You have misread the definition.
4. = Human Race.
See 2 for the detail you are looking for.
If you don’t like the dictionary, scientific or legal definitions, take that up with the appropriate authorities.
Meanwhile, no need to be timid about calling a racist comment, a racist comment.
I’ll mention this again, someone called me out for using the term “Brits” in a post.
I apologised, and don’t use it anymore.
This isn’t difficult. |
Yet some people want to argue, wrongly, around the semantic edges. Wonder why, eire... | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:40 - Dec 26 with 814 views | Trequartista |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:26 - Dec 26 by eireblue |
You have misread the definition.
4. = Human Race.
See 2 for the detail you are looking for.
If you don’t like the dictionary, scientific or legal definitions, take that up with the appropriate authorities.
Meanwhile, no need to be timid about calling a racist comment, a racist comment.
I’ll mention this again, someone called me out for using the term “Brits” in a post.
I apologised, and don’t use it anymore.
This isn’t difficult. |
I haven't misread it at all, it is how you wrote it.
Why on earth should you apologize for saying Brits? Absolute madness.
I just don't get all this rage from the far left about racism. Yes there are people who dispute racism because they are racist - i get that. But there are plenty of people like myself who abhor racism in its most evil forms, but find that ...
a) expanding the same word to such great breadth dilutes its power, people will tire of the nastier aspects of racism when the same word is applied on a such a grand scale, which leads to b) the application of "racism" to such a wide scale invariably leads to a huge swathe of unsuspecting people being "racists", with the far left screaming just don't be racist then at them, with no debate, they are just shut down and cancelled. | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:43 - Dec 26 with 813 views | Trequartista |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:34 - Dec 26 by footers |
Not me, sausage!
"If the first ever decade A.D. was 1-10 wouldn't the last decade be 2011-2020?"
Now show your working to the rest of the class.
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Let's count with mother...
2011 - one, 2012 - two ....... 2020 - ten. | |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:45 - Dec 26 with 810 views | footers |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:43 - Dec 26 by Trequartista |
Let's count with mother...
2011 - one, 2012 - two ....... 2020 - ten. |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 23:55 - Dec 26 with 789 views | factual_blue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:18 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
Sixth form debate thread here we go....
Human race obviously.
But we are clearly split into different sub races. This isn’t controversial. |
The concept of 'race' is a nineteenth century one.
And you're not even approaching fourth-form debating levels.
We are - supposedly - 'wise men'. The 'sapiens' species of the genus 'homo'. Amongst our achievements as a species is to have destroyed every other species of the 'homo'.
So we're not even a 'race' - an idea alien to taxonomy.
Try harder to keep up-to-date. [Post edited 26 Dec 2019 23:59]
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 00:05 - Dec 27 with 763 views | BLUEBEAT |
persecution is persecution |  |
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| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 00:08 - Dec 27 with 761 views | factual_blue |
| Abuse My Step Son received today, report to club? on 22:28 - Dec 26 by Oxford_Blue |
Wikipedia isn’t the best way to respond.
You’re missing the point.
The law recognises we are different races, otherwise there would be no concept of racism or racial abuse. A white Irish person is the same race as a white English person. They are different nationalities. |
The key to using and judging a Wikipedia entry is to assess the supporting references. Most of the ones for that entry are peer-reviewed academic works.
I'd have thought as an Oxford man, you'd understand that sort of thing,
What's your blue in, by the way? Ludo? | |
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