| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 08:07 - Aug 5 with 2940 views | Reuser_is_God |
What are we all thinking then?
If we are to lose then I just hope we take it deep. This can’t be all over by mid afternoon. I do however think we will do it today, just have a feeling. It’s been a match which has mostly consisted of some proper test match batting barring a mad hour from each side in their 1st innings.
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:24 - Aug 5 with 721 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:23 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
Foakes is a very good shout. Shift Root to 4, Bairstow to 3 (or even Buttler..?) and i'm having that team definitely. |
Bairstow is nowhere near no.3 in current form. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:27 - Aug 5 with 716 views | itfcjoe |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:21 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
Bairstow is not remotely close to being a number 3 test batsman. |
I think he needs to become one though, he's too good to bat at 6/7 and with the lack of top order batsmen we have someone who can be world class needs to step up there.
He isn't winning us games at 6/7 in the way a Glichrist did for Aussie |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:29 - Aug 5 with 701 views | Herbivore |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:27 - Aug 5 by itfcjoe |
I think he needs to become one though, he's too good to bat at 6/7 and with the lack of top order batsmen we have someone who can be world class needs to step up there.
He isn't winning us games at 6/7 in the way a Glichrist did for Aussie |
I genuinely think Stokes has more potential to be a number 3 batsman than Bairstow does. He's got better technique and is more disciplined. |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:30 - Aug 5 with 711 views | chicoazul |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:24 - Aug 5 by Reuser_is_God |
Bairstow is nowhere near no.3 in current form. |
Nor is anyone else! And I just think Root is sooooo good at 4 that it seems such a shame to move him. |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:32 - Aug 5 with 707 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:30 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
Nor is anyone else! And I just think Root is sooooo good at 4 that it seems such a shame to move him. |
I'd agree with Herbi on this & have Stokes at 3 if we had to have someone else other than Root. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:35 - Aug 5 with 703 views | itfcjoe |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:29 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
I genuinely think Stokes has more potential to be a number 3 batsman than Bairstow does. He's got better technique and is more disciplined. |
Yep, could see that as a decent option - Bairstow gets beaten too often between bat and pad in ODIs which would be a big concern for tests - he gets too many ducks, and is too streaky at the start of his innings. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:35 - Aug 5 with 702 views | chicoazul |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:27 - Aug 5 by itfcjoe |
I think he needs to become one though, he's too good to bat at 6/7 and with the lack of top order batsmen we have someone who can be world class needs to step up there.
He isn't winning us games at 6/7 in the way a Glichrist did for Aussie |
I have Herbivore on ignore but I imagine he is replying to me as I know he cant help himself, obsessed with my attention as he is. Bairstow averages at 3 just under what he averaged at 7 and he scored a ton away at Sri Lanka in some very tough conditions playing there. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:37 - Aug 5 with 700 views | chicoazul |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:32 - Aug 5 by Reuser_is_God |
I'd agree with Herbi on this & have Stokes at 3 if we had to have someone else other than Root. |
Maybe, maybe. We need to do something after all. But Bairstow scored a ton playing at 3 in the winter. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 10:59 - Aug 5 with 667 views | Reuser_is_God |
Christ I'm nervous, not going to be able to listen to this. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 11:14 - Aug 5 with 654 views | Herbivore |
That's a really poor start. Not a great way to get out from Burns there, we needed our openers to see off the first hour at least. | |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 14:49 - Aug 5 with 617 views | chicoazul |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 08:40 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
All out for 180 or so. And that's without them even playing Starc and Hazlewood. |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 18:04 - Aug 5 with 590 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 09:30 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
Nor is anyone else! And I just think Root is sooooo good at 4 that it seems such a shame to move him. |
Root is technically England's best batsman and he's going to score runs wherever he bats in the order. With no obvious #3, it seems that Root is best placed to bat there.
I thought Burns was due for the chop before this Test; he's proven me wrong but will be interesting to see if he can score consistently.
Roy did enough to merit another go, but he's always going to be a frustrating player in the ways that he gets out. Today's shot was plain awful. He'll need to come off a few times to justify his selection although there will inevitably be failures along the way, no-one else is banging the door down.
Hence Denly might also survive. Him Buttler & Bairstow contributed 49 runs in 6 completed innings in this Test but you can't drop all of them.
Moeen is also a worry. Still hopelessly out of form with the bat & took 3 very expensive wickets. Has a good record bowling in England but the Aussies seem to treat him with disdain & he was comprehensively out-bowled by Lyon.
Archer for Anderson in the next Test I guess. |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 18:19 - Aug 5 with 583 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Dont compare rounders and kiddies bsh bosh with test cricket. 240 would have been an improbable last day target. An average batting side against top class fast bowling and spin on the last day of a test match - it was only ever going to end one way without rain. |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 18:26 - Aug 5 with 577 views | Dennyx4 |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 18:04 - Aug 5 by Radlett_blue |
Root is technically England's best batsman and he's going to score runs wherever he bats in the order. With no obvious #3, it seems that Root is best placed to bat there.
I thought Burns was due for the chop before this Test; he's proven me wrong but will be interesting to see if he can score consistently.
Roy did enough to merit another go, but he's always going to be a frustrating player in the ways that he gets out. Today's shot was plain awful. He'll need to come off a few times to justify his selection although there will inevitably be failures along the way, no-one else is banging the door down.
Hence Denly might also survive. Him Buttler & Bairstow contributed 49 runs in 6 completed innings in this Test but you can't drop all of them.
Moeen is also a worry. Still hopelessly out of form with the bat & took 3 very expensive wickets. Has a good record bowling in England but the Aussies seem to treat him with disdain & he was comprehensively out-bowled by Lyon.
Archer for Anderson in the next Test I guess. |
Is it too simple to say we would have won the game if Anderson was fit?
Two changes for me Archer and Leach for Anderson and Ali |  | | |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 18:54 - Aug 5 with 565 views | gordon |
Some admirable optimism on this thread! The selectors have got a pretty big head-ache now. In the batting, Joe Denly and Jonny Bairstow aren't close to being good enough at the moment, Bairstow's keeping was pretty poor at times as well in the bits I saw. I can't see how Buttler is a test no. 5 either, he's no more than a no. 7, but Bairstow is the same.
Ben Foakes is a possibility, or they could just give the gloves to Buttler. Sam Northeast, Dom Sibley, Liam Livingstone, Dawid Malan again?
One of the additional problems they've got is that the domestic season is right in the middle of the T20, the domestic teams haven't played first-class matches since the end of June, and the next round of county championship matches doesn't finish until the day before the third test starts.
My team would be this, with Archer coming in if definitely fit:
Burns
Roy
Northeast
Root
Livingston / Sibley
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Leach
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 19:21 - Aug 5 with 559 views | Trequartista |
I can't understand this game. If you can't win and you can only draw, why are you trying to score runs at the risk of losing wickets? Can't they just stand there French Cricket style protecting the stumps? |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 19:27 - Aug 5 with 554 views | ghostofescobar |
I reckon we’ll lose comfortably by around 250 runs. |  |
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| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 19:29 - Aug 5 with 553 views | gordon |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 19:21 - Aug 5 by Trequartista |
I can't understand this game. If you can't win and you can only draw, why are you trying to score runs at the risk of losing wickets? Can't they just stand there French Cricket style protecting the stumps? |
That's how they used to do it in these situations (basically). These days they get bored and think wouldn't it be great if I could just hit a few sixes and make the crowd roar. It's because they play so much TwentyTwenty Cricket. | | | |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 21:59 - Aug 5 with 516 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Ashes 1st Test Day 5 on 18:54 - Aug 5 by gordon |
Some admirable optimism on this thread! The selectors have got a pretty big head-ache now. In the batting, Joe Denly and Jonny Bairstow aren't close to being good enough at the moment, Bairstow's keeping was pretty poor at times as well in the bits I saw. I can't see how Buttler is a test no. 5 either, he's no more than a no. 7, but Bairstow is the same.
Ben Foakes is a possibility, or they could just give the gloves to Buttler. Sam Northeast, Dom Sibley, Liam Livingstone, Dawid Malan again?
One of the additional problems they've got is that the domestic season is right in the middle of the T20, the domestic teams haven't played first-class matches since the end of June, and the next round of county championship matches doesn't finish until the day before the third test starts.
My team would be this, with Archer coming in if definitely fit:
Burns
Roy
Northeast
Root
Livingston / Sibley
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Leach
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Pretty much agree with all of that. To my mind playing Buttler and Bairstow in the same test side is the cricketing equivalent of trying to shoehorn Lampard and Gerrard into the same side - there’s only room for one to keep/bat 7.
I’d consider playing Stone over Curran if the wicket has some pace. | |
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