| D-Day - Russia 19:33 - Jun 6 with 5635 views | Kropotkin123 |
D-Day is undeniably a huge deal in the history of our nation. As many on here who have shared their families personal stories highlight.
But to not invite Russia, regardless of whether we like them as a country and Putin as a person, is a shame on us and the West. 25million dead and holding a single front sinse '41.
Without them holding the other line it is doubtful we would have been successful and certainly would have been at a much greater cost.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-48548200 |  |
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| D-Day - Russia on 14:38 - Jun 7 with 1003 views | Kropotkin123 |
| D-Day - Russia on 14:13 - Jun 7 by chicoazul |
The Russians weren't at D-Day Kropotkin. |
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| D-Day - Russia on 18:36 - Jun 7 with 950 views | ballycastle |
| D-Day - Russia on 08:54 - Jun 7 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not part of the battle???? The western front was almost entirely devoid of competent German troops beause the vast majority were involved in a far greater battle for survival on the eastern front. Just about the only competent battle group facing the allies were a massively underequipped SS Hitler Jugend division - average age 16. It was a cynical political decision by the western allies to allow the Russians to endure slaughter on an unimaignable scale in 1942, 1943 and 1944 just so the allies had a virtually unopposed front to invade. The actual D-Da (at least one year too late)y was less dangerous to take part in than the rehearsals. |
4 SS divisions took part in the battle for Normandy. |  | | |
| D-Day - Russia on 22:54 - Jun 7 with 915 views | Churchman |
| D-Day - Russia on 08:54 - Jun 7 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not part of the battle???? The western front was almost entirely devoid of competent German troops beause the vast majority were involved in a far greater battle for survival on the eastern front. Just about the only competent battle group facing the allies were a massively underequipped SS Hitler Jugend division - average age 16. It was a cynical political decision by the western allies to allow the Russians to endure slaughter on an unimaignable scale in 1942, 1943 and 1944 just so the allies had a virtually unopposed front to invade. The actual D-Da (at least one year too late)y was less dangerous to take part in than the rehearsals. |
I suggest you read Hans-Ulrich Von Luck’s book Panzer Commander. He fought in Russia, Normandy and the defence of Berlin before being held by Russia in labour camps for a number of years.
It’s fascinating read from somebody who was actually there and it may alter your views on the German capability in Normandy and how the British and Americans overcame them. He also provides an interesting insight into Russian mentality at the end of the war |  | | |
| D-Day - Russia on 23:01 - Jun 7 with 914 views | Melford |
| D-Day - Russia on 19:47 - Jun 6 by Kropotkin123 |
As one of their journalists said in the BBC article - "There wouldn't even have been a Normandy landing if it hadn't been for the Soviet soldiers who'd died from 1941 onwards in the fight against fascism"
Putin has been invited in the past. And to not recognise the significance by formally inviting them is insulting. Which is why they are clearly pissed in all their media coverage |
If you were to be very cynical, you could say that the Western Allies held tight until the Red Army had the Germans fleeing towards Berlin, after Kursk the Germans were a busted flush on the east and the war was effectively won and the only real reason the USA got involved was to make sure Stalin stopped at Germany and didn't take the rest of Europe over. |  |
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| D-Day - Russia on 07:30 - Jun 8 with 890 views | Churchman |
| D-Day - Russia on 23:01 - Jun 7 by Melford |
If you were to be very cynical, you could say that the Western Allies held tight until the Red Army had the Germans fleeing towards Berlin, after Kursk the Germans were a busted flush on the east and the war was effectively won and the only real reason the USA got involved was to make sure Stalin stopped at Germany and didn't take the rest of Europe over. |
I do not think that is correct. It is on record that Roosevelt and the Americans wanted to invade France at the earliest opportunity. It was Churchill who persuaded them to take part in the N Africa campaign first. The aim was then to invade France in 1943 or 1944
Churchill saw it as a way of protecting British interests, supply lines and a way of attacking Hitler through the ‘soft underbelly’ of Italy so avoiding a WW1 western front nightmare. The debacle of the Dieppe raid only served to prove Churchill’s point.
As it proved, Italy was no easy option and initial American inclination of invading France earlier might have been a better option with the gift of hindsight.
Churchill and Roosevelt loathed Stalin but defeating Hitler was their priority. DDay carried enormous risk and the length of preparation just reflected the difficulty of it, the threat the German army still presented, the desire to minimise casualties and defeat the Nazis. | | | |
| D-Day - Russia on 13:21 - Jun 8 with 856 views | LKW15 |
| D-Day - Russia on 23:01 - Jun 7 by Melford |
If you were to be very cynical, you could say that the Western Allies held tight until the Red Army had the Germans fleeing towards Berlin, after Kursk the Germans were a busted flush on the east and the war was effectively won and the only real reason the USA got involved was to make sure Stalin stopped at Germany and didn't take the rest of Europe over. |
I think people are forgetting that the us army and military industry came from a standing start at the beginning of the war and the army didn’t see any action in the west until North Africa and Sicily/Italy until late 1942/early 1943. To try and undertake the greatest airborne and amphibious invasion in history, and then push into excellent defensive territory (the bocage) with a half trained relatively untested army in 1943 would have been madness.
There’s a very interesting bbc history podcast with james Holland on the subject this week
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/history-extra-podcast/id256580326?i=100044 | | | |
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