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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 13:48 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
I felt it polite to reply to Herbie and J2 who are at least attempting to debate rather than stick their heads in the sand. A debate with you is pointless and be both end up making the same point 20 times. They may not agree with my conclusions but you could learn from both of them on how to hold a civil debate.
Out of interest, do you believe the Jewish community has an ulterior motive for highlighting the instances of anti semitism within the labour party and it's leadership?
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Some Jews, definitely........I find your repeated usr of the phrase "the Jewish community" troubling and a little bit racist!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 14:51 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
I have already addressed this elsewhere. We know he isn't talking about anyone who is indigenous as he clearly states "and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives"
It's racist whatever way you look at it as he is mocking immigrants for not being English enough.
The reason I don't want to keep answering you is that you are a cult follower who won't accept anything I post so what the F is the point tbh.
btw. You still haven't answered my question from earlier.
I mock my creative partner for 'being European' sometimes (i.e. feisty). She's Bulgarian. She mocks me for being British (not wanting to cause a fuss). Are we both racists?
Corbyn is talking about A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE who berated a speaker. Not an entire race.
I'm not a cult follower. I believe in a leader of a political party just like anyone else. You are the opposite of a cult when it comes to Corbyn, whatever that is. Just look at your pathetically immature avatar - on a website that has a swear filter to stop words like that being used.
Your question was nothing to do with what we were discussing, and you have failed to answer several of mine so I don't see why I'm obliged to answer your non-relevant ones.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 14:56 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
edit. you make a fair point re the endless bickering. Fir that reason I am putting dollers on ignore and hopefully debates can be of a higher quality.
Did you read the article? If so could you see that happening here?
[Post edited 24 Aug 2018 14:58]
In case you didn't see my post above regarding the article.
The premise that a Corbyn government would be far-left seems to be a false one, especially when the comparative examples given are the Communist government in Poland, and a Socialist one in in Venezuela.
I suppose the argument hinges on whether or not you believe Corbyn would institute a form of far-left politics should he ever find himself in a position of power. I personally do not, any more than I think that the Tories have implemented any kind of far-right government.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 14:49 - Aug 24 by footers
Says the bloke who calls people who disagree with him libtards. And Brendan O'Neil lol.
hmmh look who's talking,? The one of the board bully boys who calls anyone who disagrees with his politics a racist etc. 'ill in formed, ignorant posts' is the phrase used by you guys to deride anyone who doesn't share your views isn't it because you guys know best and anyone right of centre is 'a knuckledragger'? Don't get all high and mighty about name calling, Pot, Kettle, Black.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 14:56 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
edit. you make a fair point re the endless bickering. Fir that reason I am putting dollers on ignore and hopefully debates can be of a higher quality.
Did you read the article? If so could you see that happening here?
[Post edited 24 Aug 2018 14:58]
Wow, unbelievable. The Conswervative does the biggest swerve of all, just like he did with Zed who eloquently challenged him.
Why don't you just put everyone on ignore who doesn't agree with you? The debating equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalala I can't hear you".
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:01 - Aug 24 by footers
Jesus. That article's a complete joke, completely over the top and quite distasteful.
And no, it wouldn't and couldn't happen here.
You dismiss an article written by a British Jew who is echoing the fear of the British Jewish community. Who are you to simiss that as over the top? Would you dismiss a similar article as being over the top if it was written by a British Muslim scared of Tommy Robinson's influence ?
Are you aware that in the aftermath of the Margaret Hodge affair the cult followers went after her daughter because she is an editor at BBC News, suggesting impartiality in reporting issues affecting the Israel/Palestine conflict. Are you also aware that the same cult followers put in a FOI request to the BBC asking how many of their staff are Jewish and whet there views on Israel were.
Another two very disturbing developments for British Jews in the last week alone. First, a British newspaper leads with claims of Jewish conspiracy in an echo of Nazi newspapers of the 1930's when it pictured Margaret Hodge under the headline "The Enemy Within" . Second, a senior union leader attacks British Jews for standing up to anti-semitism.
From those two examples alone, do you not understand why British Jews see a Corbyn government as an existential threat to Jewish life?
Everything points to it eventually manifesting in number of ways. What it becomes acceptable to say and teach about Jews, devaluing the Holocaust, questioning Jewish roles in public life, how Jews have too much influence in the media and banking etc. All of the old tried and tested tropes. And how long before a Corbyn government decides to cut funding for an organisation such as CST, who provide security for schools and synagogues, using the excuse they are a 'Zionist organisation'.
As Labour MP Anna Turley said “The holocaust didn’t happen in a vacuum. It happened because ordinary people turned a blind eye to racism & antisemitism; scapegoated & dehumanised a community, stifled free thinking & refused to challenge the cult of an idol. Jewish people know how it starts”
Is she being "over the top"?
To say what happened in Poland in the 1960's couldn't happen here is very naive. We are constantly being told how racist this country is. Very easy to find the next scapegoat.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 14:59 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue
He's defending someone who was "berated" by a specific group of people after that person gave a talk. He's talking about those people specifically not understanding British irony.
How can you still claim that's attacking ALL of one race?
How can you still claim you're not taking it out of context?
Do you agree you don't even know if the people he was referring to are Jewish and yet are still shouting "ANTI-SEMITISM"?!?
why does he specify that they've 'lived in this country all of their lives'? why's that relevant? why is that a significant observation about this specific group? why are they a group who are so 'other' to british culture?
it's clearly a very particular sort of zionist that he has in mind - a group that is separate enough for him to feel the need to specify that they've 'lived here all their lives', and a group who is culturally separate from 'british' society. very much 'them' in fact. hmmm, zionists who were migrants in past generations and who live in a community that has a degree of cultural separation. who could he possibly mean?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:08 - Aug 24 by Jonnosdreadlocks
hmmh look who's talking,? The one of the board bully boys who calls anyone who disagrees with his politics a racist etc. 'ill in formed, ignorant posts' is the phrase used by you guys to deride anyone who doesn't share your views isn't it because you guys know best and anyone right of centre is 'a knuckledragger'? Don't get all high and mighty about name calling, Pot, Kettle, Black.
Point of order.
Ill informed and ignorant is used by people on here to deride thickies and over sensitive man babies who can't cope with their racist views being called out.
We judge you on your posting history. Your frustration seems to stem from the fact that the vast majority of posters on here don't see the world through the twisted lens that you do. I for one am glad about that.
Glad I could straighten that out for you. No need to say thanks.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:08 - Aug 24 by Jonnosdreadlocks
hmmh look who's talking,? The one of the board bully boys who calls anyone who disagrees with his politics a racist etc. 'ill in formed, ignorant posts' is the phrase used by you guys to deride anyone who doesn't share your views isn't it because you guys know best and anyone right of centre is 'a knuckledragger'? Don't get all high and mighty about name calling, Pot, Kettle, Black.
Sorry, snowflake. You right-wing 'ard nuts and proper blokes must be a bit wet to be bullied by soy boys like myself tho.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:12 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
You dismiss an article written by a British Jew who is echoing the fear of the British Jewish community. Who are you to simiss that as over the top? Would you dismiss a similar article as being over the top if it was written by a British Muslim scared of Tommy Robinson's influence ?
Are you aware that in the aftermath of the Margaret Hodge affair the cult followers went after her daughter because she is an editor at BBC News, suggesting impartiality in reporting issues affecting the Israel/Palestine conflict. Are you also aware that the same cult followers put in a FOI request to the BBC asking how many of their staff are Jewish and whet there views on Israel were.
Another two very disturbing developments for British Jews in the last week alone. First, a British newspaper leads with claims of Jewish conspiracy in an echo of Nazi newspapers of the 1930's when it pictured Margaret Hodge under the headline "The Enemy Within" . Second, a senior union leader attacks British Jews for standing up to anti-semitism.
From those two examples alone, do you not understand why British Jews see a Corbyn government as an existential threat to Jewish life?
Everything points to it eventually manifesting in number of ways. What it becomes acceptable to say and teach about Jews, devaluing the Holocaust, questioning Jewish roles in public life, how Jews have too much influence in the media and banking etc. All of the old tried and tested tropes. And how long before a Corbyn government decides to cut funding for an organisation such as CST, who provide security for schools and synagogues, using the excuse they are a 'Zionist organisation'.
As Labour MP Anna Turley said “The holocaust didn’t happen in a vacuum. It happened because ordinary people turned a blind eye to racism & antisemitism; scapegoated & dehumanised a community, stifled free thinking & refused to challenge the cult of an idol. Jewish people know how it starts”
Is she being "over the top"?
To say what happened in Poland in the 1960's couldn't happen here is very naive. We are constantly being told how racist this country is. Very easy to find the next scapegoat.
"You dismiss an article written by a British Jew who is echoing the fear of the British Jewish community. Who are you to simiss that as over the top? Would you dismiss a similar article as being over the top if it was written by a British Muslim scared of Tommy Robinson's influence ? "
To be fair, seeing as Tommy Robinson is not in a position to be leading a government any time soon a more correct comparison would be an article written by a British Muslim who is expressing fear of a far-right government lead by May. How seriously would you take that concern?
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:12 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
You dismiss an article written by a British Jew who is echoing the fear of the British Jewish community. Who are you to simiss that as over the top? Would you dismiss a similar article as being over the top if it was written by a British Muslim scared of Tommy Robinson's influence ?
Are you aware that in the aftermath of the Margaret Hodge affair the cult followers went after her daughter because she is an editor at BBC News, suggesting impartiality in reporting issues affecting the Israel/Palestine conflict. Are you also aware that the same cult followers put in a FOI request to the BBC asking how many of their staff are Jewish and whet there views on Israel were.
Another two very disturbing developments for British Jews in the last week alone. First, a British newspaper leads with claims of Jewish conspiracy in an echo of Nazi newspapers of the 1930's when it pictured Margaret Hodge under the headline "The Enemy Within" . Second, a senior union leader attacks British Jews for standing up to anti-semitism.
From those two examples alone, do you not understand why British Jews see a Corbyn government as an existential threat to Jewish life?
Everything points to it eventually manifesting in number of ways. What it becomes acceptable to say and teach about Jews, devaluing the Holocaust, questioning Jewish roles in public life, how Jews have too much influence in the media and banking etc. All of the old tried and tested tropes. And how long before a Corbyn government decides to cut funding for an organisation such as CST, who provide security for schools and synagogues, using the excuse they are a 'Zionist organisation'.
As Labour MP Anna Turley said “The holocaust didn’t happen in a vacuum. It happened because ordinary people turned a blind eye to racism & antisemitism; scapegoated & dehumanised a community, stifled free thinking & refused to challenge the cult of an idol. Jewish people know how it starts”
Is she being "over the top"?
To say what happened in Poland in the 1960's couldn't happen here is very naive. We are constantly being told how racist this country is. Very easy to find the next scapegoat.
isn't it interesting how the corbynite response to the labour party's anti-semitism crisis echoes corbyn's speech. corbyn wants zionists to be 'thankfully silent'. which is what his supporters want jews to be when ever they point out anti-semitism. dismiss what they say - it's all just a conspiracy.
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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:18 - Aug 24 with 1135 views
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:13 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue
why does he specify that they've 'lived in this country all of their lives'? why's that relevant? why is that a significant observation about this specific group? why are they a group who are so 'other' to british culture?
it's clearly a very particular sort of zionist that he has in mind - a group that is separate enough for him to feel the need to specify that they've 'lived here all their lives', and a group who is culturally separate from 'british' society. very much 'them' in fact. hmmm, zionists who were migrants in past generations and who live in a community that has a degree of cultural separation. who could he possibly mean?
I have to get the kids from school but I'll leave everyone to ponder this (not my own work):
I have a question for supporters of Jeremy Corbyn. It’s quite a simple one, but there will be harder follow-up questions. Let’s start with the simple one…
Is Nigel Farage a racist?
I believe you’d struggle to find him saying something that’s overtly and unequivocally racist and, indeed, you’d find many example of him denying being a racist. There is, however, a certain amount of circumstantial evidence that he’s racist. Let’s just run through some of it and, just for fun, I’m going to slip on my devil’s advocate hat and argue that it proves nothing.
Farage sang Hitler-youth songs at school — This is a baseless smear, without a shred of evidence to support it.
He supported Tommy ‘Founder of the EDL’ Robinson — Nigel is a life-long supporter of free-speech and defended Mr Robinson on those grounds. It doesn’t mean he agrees with everything he says.
And he supports Donald Trump — So? The Queen’s met Donald Trump, does that mean she’s a racist as well?
He spoke at a rally for a far-right political group in Germany — Nigel is a politician who believes in speaking to people right across the political spectrum, and he is saddened that narrow-minded people, interested only in speaking to their own echo-chamber, would use his willingness to engage others in debate against him.
How about the time he posed in front of that poster with all the migrants on — Nige only glanced at the poster before the shoot, and utterly condemns any racist connotations it might have (although the artist who created it said it’s not racist, so that’s OK)
We could do this all day, but are you convinced? Do you still think Farage is a racist? Yes? OK, it’s time for the difficult questions.
First of all, if you can spot this is all bluff when it’s applied to Nigel Farage, why the hell can’t you spot the same when it’s applied to Jeremy Corbyn? Why this huge gap in your political senses?
How about a hypothetical question; if you were black or a Muslim, living in Britain, and Farage was leading a political party polling within a few points either way of the government, and was pushing for a snap general election then how would you feel? Safe? Comfortable?
And suppose further that if you cast any doubt on those deflections that I just pulled out of my arse — perhaps said that Farage was well aware of what the poster said, and fully supported it, or that he spoke to a far-right rally because he’s fully aligned with their interests, or that he supports Trump because Trump represents the pinnacle of his aspiration — that if you voiced any of that on-line then hundreds of people would pile on you, throw racial stereotypes at you, insult you, accuse you of disloyalty to your country, tell you that if you didn’t support Farage it was because you wanted more Tory government, accused you of playing the race card…and if it was all approvingly shared by senior figures in Farage’s party, then how would you feel?
You know how you’d feel. You know how the people affected would feel. That’s why you’d do everything to stop Farage ever being in that position.
And yet, when it’s Corbyn, you time after time accept the weak deflections. You believe that case after case of being on the side of Antisemites can each be explained away on their own, and refuse to see them as part of a larger picture. You give Corbyn extraordinary leeway, that you’d (rightly) never afford Farage. Which means that the last question, for you to ask yourself, is the hardest one of all.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:12 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
You dismiss an article written by a British Jew who is echoing the fear of the British Jewish community. Who are you to simiss that as over the top? Would you dismiss a similar article as being over the top if it was written by a British Muslim scared of Tommy Robinson's influence ?
Are you aware that in the aftermath of the Margaret Hodge affair the cult followers went after her daughter because she is an editor at BBC News, suggesting impartiality in reporting issues affecting the Israel/Palestine conflict. Are you also aware that the same cult followers put in a FOI request to the BBC asking how many of their staff are Jewish and whet there views on Israel were.
Another two very disturbing developments for British Jews in the last week alone. First, a British newspaper leads with claims of Jewish conspiracy in an echo of Nazi newspapers of the 1930's when it pictured Margaret Hodge under the headline "The Enemy Within" . Second, a senior union leader attacks British Jews for standing up to anti-semitism.
From those two examples alone, do you not understand why British Jews see a Corbyn government as an existential threat to Jewish life?
Everything points to it eventually manifesting in number of ways. What it becomes acceptable to say and teach about Jews, devaluing the Holocaust, questioning Jewish roles in public life, how Jews have too much influence in the media and banking etc. All of the old tried and tested tropes. And how long before a Corbyn government decides to cut funding for an organisation such as CST, who provide security for schools and synagogues, using the excuse they are a 'Zionist organisation'.
As Labour MP Anna Turley said “The holocaust didn’t happen in a vacuum. It happened because ordinary people turned a blind eye to racism & antisemitism; scapegoated & dehumanised a community, stifled free thinking & refused to challenge the cult of an idol. Jewish people know how it starts”
Is she being "over the top"?
To say what happened in Poland in the 1960's couldn't happen here is very naive. We are constantly being told how racist this country is. Very easy to find the next scapegoat.
No, I stand by my comments. The article is hugely hyperbolic and whether it was written by a Jew or not makes no difference. Even comparing 1950s Poland to modern Britain borders on the insane.
footers KC - Prosecution Barrister - Friend to all
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 11:36 - Aug 23 by Herbivore
Why it is wrong is because the reasons you have given for having concerns about immigration have been, repeatedly, shown to be ill founded. And yet you persist, despite immigration being of net benefit to the nation and having personally benefited you when you needed the services of the NHS.
It is strange that so many are hugely in favour of the NHS raping third world and developing countries of their scarce vital health professionals.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:20 - Aug 24 with 1120 views
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:18 - Aug 24 by footers
No, I stand by my comments. The article is hugely hyperbolic and whether it was written by a Jew or not makes no difference. Even comparing 1950s Poland to modern Britain borders on the insane.
I agree. Which is what I have tried to point out above. Comparing a Corbyn lead Government to the Polish government of the 1950s makes about as much sense as comparing the current government to Mussolini's.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:13 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue
why does he specify that they've 'lived in this country all of their lives'? why's that relevant? why is that a significant observation about this specific group? why are they a group who are so 'other' to british culture?
it's clearly a very particular sort of zionist that he has in mind - a group that is separate enough for him to feel the need to specify that they've 'lived here all their lives', and a group who is culturally separate from 'british' society. very much 'them' in fact. hmmm, zionists who were migrants in past generations and who live in a community that has a degree of cultural separation. who could he possibly mean?
He could possibly mean the specific people he was talking about, who berated the speaker he was defending.
You're reading stuff that isn't there. Deliberately, because you hate Corbyn.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:20 - Aug 24 by SpruceMoose
I agree. Which is what I have tried to point out above. Comparing a Corbyn lead Government to the Polish government of the 1950s makes about as much sense as comparing the current government to Mussolini's.
If Corbyn's elected we'll also have to go through the whole Bolshevik/Menshevik mess again. Ain't no one got time for that.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:21 - Aug 24 by BrixtonBlue
He could possibly mean the specific people he was talking about, who berated the speaker he was defending.
You're reading stuff that isn't there. Deliberately, because you hate Corbyn.
so why did he need to specify they've lived in this country all of their lives?
every time i disagree with you on here should i start my post: 'while you've lived in this country all of your life, you're ....'
so why did he need to say that?
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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:26 - Aug 24 with 1079 views
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:19 - Aug 24 by imsureazzure
It is strange that so many are hugely in favour of the NHS raping third world and developing countries of their scarce vital health professionals.
It's strange that so many on the right pretend to care about these developing countries to score a point. One of the best things we could do for developing countries incidentally is to actually attempt to halt climate change, something which those on the right tend to be loathe to do.
Anyhow, why would you deny them their individuality? Their right to self determination? I thought the right was all about looking after yourself, the strong individual etc. You would deny them the right to improve their lives?
The 'we know best for your country' attitude should have died out decades a go.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:12 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
You dismiss an article written by a British Jew who is echoing the fear of the British Jewish community. Who are you to simiss that as over the top? Would you dismiss a similar article as being over the top if it was written by a British Muslim scared of Tommy Robinson's influence ?
Are you aware that in the aftermath of the Margaret Hodge affair the cult followers went after her daughter because she is an editor at BBC News, suggesting impartiality in reporting issues affecting the Israel/Palestine conflict. Are you also aware that the same cult followers put in a FOI request to the BBC asking how many of their staff are Jewish and whet there views on Israel were.
Another two very disturbing developments for British Jews in the last week alone. First, a British newspaper leads with claims of Jewish conspiracy in an echo of Nazi newspapers of the 1930's when it pictured Margaret Hodge under the headline "The Enemy Within" . Second, a senior union leader attacks British Jews for standing up to anti-semitism.
From those two examples alone, do you not understand why British Jews see a Corbyn government as an existential threat to Jewish life?
Everything points to it eventually manifesting in number of ways. What it becomes acceptable to say and teach about Jews, devaluing the Holocaust, questioning Jewish roles in public life, how Jews have too much influence in the media and banking etc. All of the old tried and tested tropes. And how long before a Corbyn government decides to cut funding for an organisation such as CST, who provide security for schools and synagogues, using the excuse they are a 'Zionist organisation'.
As Labour MP Anna Turley said “The holocaust didn’t happen in a vacuum. It happened because ordinary people turned a blind eye to racism & antisemitism; scapegoated & dehumanised a community, stifled free thinking & refused to challenge the cult of an idol. Jewish people know how it starts”
Is she being "over the top"?
To say what happened in Poland in the 1960's couldn't happen here is very naive. We are constantly being told how racist this country is. Very easy to find the next scapegoat.
Oh GB
Who are you to simiss that as over the top?
Which I guess you meant
"Who are you to dismiss that as over the top?"
You posted an article on a public forum, asking for comments.
Either only certain people are allowed to have an opinion, or all people are allowed to have an opinion.
The opinion maybe something that you disagree with, but such language does not seem consistent with the debating style you want Dollers to adopt.
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80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:34 - Aug 24 with 1027 views
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 14:45 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
Remember when Boris wrote a long article on the Burka and he defended a woman's right to wear it but you took one quote and claimed it was Islamophobic? And remember when I completely agreed with you because regardless of context that one quote definitely was Islamophobic. There was no context anyone could put forward that would defend his remarks.
Corbyn hasn't been quoted out of context. He has been roundly condemned for his comments.
With regards to whether anyone complain ed five years ago. I can't answer that. What I do know is that a lot of the stuff that is reaching a wider audience about what he has said has been challenged at the time by the Jewish Chronicle and other Jewish media outlets.
The only reason we are hearing about it again is that it is now getting mainstream media publicity. Do papers like the Mail or the Sun care about antisemitism? Probably not. That doesn't make his words and actions any less repulsive.
Here is the full quote btw
Listen how angry he gets.
I've watched it, I still think you're reaching on this one.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:18 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue
I have to get the kids from school but I'll leave everyone to ponder this (not my own work):
I have a question for supporters of Jeremy Corbyn. It’s quite a simple one, but there will be harder follow-up questions. Let’s start with the simple one…
Is Nigel Farage a racist?
I believe you’d struggle to find him saying something that’s overtly and unequivocally racist and, indeed, you’d find many example of him denying being a racist. There is, however, a certain amount of circumstantial evidence that he’s racist. Let’s just run through some of it and, just for fun, I’m going to slip on my devil’s advocate hat and argue that it proves nothing.
Farage sang Hitler-youth songs at school — This is a baseless smear, without a shred of evidence to support it.
He supported Tommy ‘Founder of the EDL’ Robinson — Nigel is a life-long supporter of free-speech and defended Mr Robinson on those grounds. It doesn’t mean he agrees with everything he says.
And he supports Donald Trump — So? The Queen’s met Donald Trump, does that mean she’s a racist as well?
He spoke at a rally for a far-right political group in Germany — Nigel is a politician who believes in speaking to people right across the political spectrum, and he is saddened that narrow-minded people, interested only in speaking to their own echo-chamber, would use his willingness to engage others in debate against him.
How about the time he posed in front of that poster with all the migrants on — Nige only glanced at the poster before the shoot, and utterly condemns any racist connotations it might have (although the artist who created it said it’s not racist, so that’s OK)
We could do this all day, but are you convinced? Do you still think Farage is a racist? Yes? OK, it’s time for the difficult questions.
First of all, if you can spot this is all bluff when it’s applied to Nigel Farage, why the hell can’t you spot the same when it’s applied to Jeremy Corbyn? Why this huge gap in your political senses?
How about a hypothetical question; if you were black or a Muslim, living in Britain, and Farage was leading a political party polling within a few points either way of the government, and was pushing for a snap general election then how would you feel? Safe? Comfortable?
And suppose further that if you cast any doubt on those deflections that I just pulled out of my arse — perhaps said that Farage was well aware of what the poster said, and fully supported it, or that he spoke to a far-right rally because he’s fully aligned with their interests, or that he supports Trump because Trump represents the pinnacle of his aspiration — that if you voiced any of that on-line then hundreds of people would pile on you, throw racial stereotypes at you, insult you, accuse you of disloyalty to your country, tell you that if you didn’t support Farage it was because you wanted more Tory government, accused you of playing the race card…and if it was all approvingly shared by senior figures in Farage’s party, then how would you feel?
You know how you’d feel. You know how the people affected would feel. That’s why you’d do everything to stop Farage ever being in that position.
And yet, when it’s Corbyn, you time after time accept the weak deflections. You believe that case after case of being on the side of Antisemites can each be explained away on their own, and refuse to see them as part of a larger picture. You give Corbyn extraordinary leeway, that you’d (rightly) never afford Farage. Which means that the last question, for you to ask yourself, is the hardest one of all.
Why?
What a load of old claptrap.
"Do you still think Farage is a racist? Yes? OK, it’s time for the difficult questions."
I like how the smug prick who wrote this answered the question for us.
Glassers, you've actually inadvertently admitted that this is a smear campaign - taking lots of little things that on their own aren't racist but "put them all together and there's no smoke without fire".
It's disingenuous at best, downright lying to get the result you want at worst.
None of the first part of that post makes Farage a racist... just like the stuff you crowbar into the 'Corbyn Is An Anti-Semite Campaign' doesn't actually make him anti-semitic.
By the by, the notion that the holocaust could happen again, in the UK, in 2018, with Corbyn instigating it, is about as low as you can go. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. As I said earlier, your kind of politics disgusts me.
80% of UK growth from Immigration on 15:08 - Aug 24 by Jonnosdreadlocks
hmmh look who's talking,? The one of the board bully boys who calls anyone who disagrees with his politics a racist etc. 'ill in formed, ignorant posts' is the phrase used by you guys to deride anyone who doesn't share your views isn't it because you guys know best and anyone right of centre is 'a knuckledragger'? Don't get all high and mighty about name calling, Pot, Kettle, Black.
If someone's views are described as ignorant and ill informed then it'll be because their views are ignorant and ill informed. Glad I could clear that one up for you.
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