| That poor 78 yr old pensioner 14:27 - Apr 4 with 11420 views | oneonmyknee |
who caught two bits of scum trying to burgle his house
arrested for murder |  | | |  |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:33 - Apr 4 with 5695 views | Swansea_Blue |
Sends out a great message that does. Sometimes the law really is an arse. |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:34 - Apr 4 with 5679 views | oneonmyknee |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:33 - Apr 4 by Swansea_Blue |
Sends out a great message that does. Sometimes the law really is an arse. |
Poor old boy must have been sh1tting himself | | | |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:40 - Apr 4 with 5652 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I would reserve judgement until more facts are known.
On the face of it, the headline seems like he has been treated unjustly.
Brings back memories of Tony Martin and that was certainly far from straightforward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Unless there are some circumstances not yet reported I suspect this one will not lead to a prosecution. |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:44 - Apr 4 with 5616 views | Radlett_blue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:40 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I would reserve judgement until more facts are known.
On the face of it, the headline seems like he has been treated unjustly.
Brings back memories of Tony Martin and that was certainly far from straightforward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Unless there are some circumstances not yet reported I suspect this one will not lead to a prosecution. |
Exactly. One of the burglars has been killed, so the police have a duty to investigate & decide if he was justifiably killed or not. The CPS will decide if there is a case to answer; ultimately, was it "proportionate force"? |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:45 - Apr 4 with 5607 views | Darth_Koont |
Isn't that standard practice even if it looks for all the world like it's self-defence?
They can't just ignore someone was killed and assume it went down a certain way. |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:48 - Apr 4 with 5584 views | theblueginger |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:40 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I would reserve judgement until more facts are known.
On the face of it, the headline seems like he has been treated unjustly.
Brings back memories of Tony Martin and that was certainly far from straightforward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Unless there are some circumstances not yet reported I suspect this one will not lead to a prosecution. |
The TM case was at least on the face of it far cloudier than this one@:
1) TM possessed a firearm he had no licence for. He past meant he would have been unlikely to have been granted one.
2) He shot at the guys as they were fleeing from him if i remember correctly
3) He had been burgled a few times before by members of the same Irish traveler community. This was used both in his defence and against him, on the one hand the Police hadn't done much to help but on the other the implication was TM had armed himself with the intention of getting retribution.
In this case i would be shocked if it goes as far as a trial. Say what you like about the US, but their self-defence laws do have some common sense applied to them.
Edit: didn't notice the link-my apologies for saying much of what wiki says. [Post edited 4 Apr 2018 14:49]
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:04 - Apr 4 with 5505 views | factual_blue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:45 - Apr 4 by Darth_Koont |
Isn't that standard practice even if it looks for all the world like it's self-defence?
They can't just ignore someone was killed and assume it went down a certain way. |
Is oneovermytaxi related to Tony Martin?
He sounds as though he is. |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:09 - Apr 4 with 5478 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:48 - Apr 4 by theblueginger |
The TM case was at least on the face of it far cloudier than this one@:
1) TM possessed a firearm he had no licence for. He past meant he would have been unlikely to have been granted one.
2) He shot at the guys as they were fleeing from him if i remember correctly
3) He had been burgled a few times before by members of the same Irish traveler community. This was used both in his defence and against him, on the one hand the Police hadn't done much to help but on the other the implication was TM had armed himself with the intention of getting retribution.
In this case i would be shocked if it goes as far as a trial. Say what you like about the US, but their self-defence laws do have some common sense applied to them.
Edit: didn't notice the link-my apologies for saying much of what wiki says. [Post edited 4 Apr 2018 14:49]
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Plus, how do you know it is more complicated?
There may well be many unreported facts in this case. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:10 - Apr 4 with 5473 views | factual_blue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:40 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I would reserve judgement until more facts are known.
On the face of it, the headline seems like he has been treated unjustly.
Brings back memories of Tony Martin and that was certainly far from straightforward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Unless there are some circumstances not yet reported I suspect this one will not lead to a prosecution. |
From what I gather TM 'executed' the burglar, first disabling him with a shot to the knee, and then in the back.
Of course a shot in the back makes a claim of self-defence rather tricky, as indeed does shooting somebody at all.
TM was, I understand, told by police officers how to word his statement but wanted to play the martyr. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:11 - Apr 4 with 5465 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 14:48 - Apr 4 by theblueginger |
The TM case was at least on the face of it far cloudier than this one@:
1) TM possessed a firearm he had no licence for. He past meant he would have been unlikely to have been granted one.
2) He shot at the guys as they were fleeing from him if i remember correctly
3) He had been burgled a few times before by members of the same Irish traveler community. This was used both in his defence and against him, on the one hand the Police hadn't done much to help but on the other the implication was TM had armed himself with the intention of getting retribution.
In this case i would be shocked if it goes as far as a trial. Say what you like about the US, but their self-defence laws do have some common sense applied to them.
Edit: didn't notice the link-my apologies for saying much of what wiki says. [Post edited 4 Apr 2018 14:49]
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The police told Tony Martin what to say and he ignored their advice and was stupidly honest.
He didn’t need to do to prison |  | | |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:18 - Apr 4 with 5428 views | SpruceMoose |
Well, before I say yay or nay, I'd like to know how many UK homeowners are currently languishing in prison for killing home invaders. That'll help me decide if I think is needed or not. |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:21 - Apr 4 with 5419 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:10 - Apr 4 by factual_blue |
From what I gather TM 'executed' the burglar, first disabling him with a shot to the knee, and then in the back.
Of course a shot in the back makes a claim of self-defence rather tricky, as indeed does shooting somebody at all.
TM was, I understand, told by police officers how to word his statement but wanted to play the martyr. |
Indeed. Overall, from what is in the public domain he sounds rather like a mentally ill right wing extremist who wanted sympathy to the point that the law was changed so that the rights of someone trespassing just did not exist at all.
This may have been affected by his previous dealings with being burgled too. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:26 - Apr 4 with 5366 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:21 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed. Overall, from what is in the public domain he sounds rather like a mentally ill right wing extremist who wanted sympathy to the point that the law was changed so that the rights of someone trespassing just did not exist at all.
This may have been affected by his previous dealings with being burgled too. |
I thought he was being constantly terrorised and lived in fear?
That’s hardly the same as someone walking up your driveway uninvited | | | |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:27 - Apr 4 with 5365 views | Illinoisblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:18 - Apr 4 by SpruceMoose |
Well, before I say yay or nay, I'd like to know how many UK homeowners are currently languishing in prison for killing home invaders. That'll help me decide if I think is needed or not. |
if it was already in place, this 78-year-old chap would be at home right now enjoying a cuppa and watching Cash in the Attic. |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:31 - Apr 4 with 5331 views | SpruceMoose |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:27 - Apr 4 by Illinoisblue |
if it was already in place, this 78-year-old chap would be at home right now enjoying a cuppa and watching Cash in the Attic. |
As unfortunate as that is, something like your suggestion is really not required. The UK really doesn't need to be anymore like the US that it already is.
Killing a person always needs to be investigated properly. Due process is important. People are so quick to want to see their rights thrown away these days. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:50 - Apr 4 with 5253 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Are you perchance pro relaxed gun laws too? | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:52 - Apr 4 with 5246 views | Illinoisblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:50 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Are you perchance pro relaxed gun laws too? |
not at all, quite the opposite in fact. I just think if your home is invaded by an armed thug you should have absolute freedom to do whatever is necessary to defend yourself, your family, your property. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:53 - Apr 4 with 5221 views | SpruceMoose |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:52 - Apr 4 by Illinoisblue |
not at all, quite the opposite in fact. I just think if your home is invaded by an armed thug you should have absolute freedom to do whatever is necessary to defend yourself, your family, your property. |
You already do. It's just needs to be investigated afterwards, that's all. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:56 - Apr 4 with 5208 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:52 - Apr 4 by Illinoisblue |
not at all, quite the opposite in fact. I just think if your home is invaded by an armed thug you should have absolute freedom to do whatever is necessary to defend yourself, your family, your property. |
As indeed do most right-minded people.
Knee-capping and shooting someone in the back as they attempt to leave would not fall into most people's category of self-defence.
This country already has reasonable laws of self-defence.
As I stated earlier, either there will be more facts to this than have been revealed (they should not be until a court case is heard) or I doubt any prosecution will occur.
If someone kills an intruder in their own home and is then happy to sit with their feet up enjoying a cuppa I suspect they should be investigated. From my limited experience, being absent in the event of your home being invaded is traumatising enough. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:58 - Apr 4 with 5180 views | Illinoisblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:56 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As indeed do most right-minded people.
Knee-capping and shooting someone in the back as they attempt to leave would not fall into most people's category of self-defence.
This country already has reasonable laws of self-defence.
As I stated earlier, either there will be more facts to this than have been revealed (they should not be until a court case is heard) or I doubt any prosecution will occur.
If someone kills an intruder in their own home and is then happy to sit with their feet up enjoying a cuppa I suspect they should be investigated. From my limited experience, being absent in the event of your home being invaded is traumatising enough. |
Tony Martin was a little exuberant, yes. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:59 - Apr 4 with 5170 views | SpruceMoose |
Which is exactly why I asked how many UK homeowners are sitting in prison for killing home invaders.
You are already quite enabled to defend yourself, your family and your home. There's no need for some free for all law. | |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 16:04 - Apr 4 with 5146 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 15:58 - Apr 4 by Illinoisblue |
Tony Martin was a little exuberant, yes. |
How many times was Tony Martin burgled before the shooting? How many times has Tony Martin been burgled since the shooting? |  |
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| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 16:05 - Apr 4 with 5141 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That poor 78 yr old pensioner on 16:04 - Apr 4 by GlasgowBlue |
How many times was Tony Martin burgled before the shooting? How many times has Tony Martin been burgled since the shooting? |
How long has he spent living in the same tumble-down, poorly secured property since his release from prison? | |
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