| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? 19:16 - Jul 9 with 3675 views | Keno |
If def bring Foakes in as a keeper, bowlers will pose some questions?
Crawley
Bairstow
Ali
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:25 - Jul 9 with 2472 views | EddyJ |
Not sure what Duckett's done to be excluded from your team. Test average of 45 as an opener and scores of 182, 98 and 83 in his past 4 tests.
My team as follows.
Crawley retained for lack of any other options. Revisit his position after the series. Dropping Ali as he is poor as both bowler and batsman. Spin has barely featured in the series and Australia without Lyon, so would have not advantage in us not playing a front-line spinner. Moving Root to #3 as he can play there and it helps to fit in our powerful middle order. Bairstow retained as a pure batsman with Foakes taking the gloves. Woakes and Wood both did enough to be retained. Broad has been our most consistent bowler throughout the series. Anderson given the test as a swansong (last Old Trafford Ashes for him).
Duckett
Crawley
Root
Brook
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson |  | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:29 - Jul 9 with 2445 views | pointofblue |
Crawley
Duckett
Ali
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Tongue | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:32 - Jul 9 with 2432 views | Keno |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:25 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
Not sure what Duckett's done to be excluded from your team. Test average of 45 as an opener and scores of 182, 98 and 83 in his past 4 tests.
My team as follows.
Crawley retained for lack of any other options. Revisit his position after the series. Dropping Ali as he is poor as both bowler and batsman. Spin has barely featured in the series and Australia without Lyon, so would have not advantage in us not playing a front-line spinner. Moving Root to #3 as he can play there and it helps to fit in our powerful middle order. Bairstow retained as a pure batsman with Foakes taking the gloves. Woakes and Wood both did enough to be retained. Broad has been our most consistent bowler throughout the series. Anderson given the test as a swansong (last Old Trafford Ashes for him).
Duckett
Crawley
Root
Brook
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson |
Ducket hasn’t done anything per se, was just trying to juggle things to get Foakes in
OT takes spin and “poor bowler” Ali has over 200 test wickets and is englands 3rd leading spin bowler
Going to be an interesting selection | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:34 - Jul 9 with 2418 views | redrickstuhaart |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:32 - Jul 9 by Keno |
Ducket hasn’t done anything per se, was just trying to juggle things to get Foakes in
OT takes spin and “poor bowler” Ali has over 200 test wickets and is englands 3rd leading spin bowler
Going to be an interesting selection |
The problem is Stokes injury which means that going in with 3 seamers is not an option. No proper all roudner makes it hard to get a spinner in.
Much depends on the OT pitch.
There is no way Bairstow should keep his place as a keeper batsman though. He has been poor at both. Proper batsman or not at all. [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 19:34]
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:45 - Jul 9 with 2395 views | gainsboroughblue |
Crawley
Duckett
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Broad
Wood
Tongue
Hit 'em with pace. They don't like it. Of course, there will be calls for Anderson at OT but now is not the time for sentiment and he has been off the pace this series. I'm assuming Robinson is unfit and also assuming Broad will play given we now have a bit of respite, knowing he hasn't been 'rotated' yet.
I'd like Foakes in as keeper, freeing up Bairstow to go in at 3 and concentrate solely on batting. Spin has not been massively used and Root is there if needed. It's not an ideal scenario to go in without a frontline spinner but you can only name 11 men. |  |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:51 - Jul 9 with 2376 views | bournemouthblue |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:45 - Jul 9 by gainsboroughblue |
Crawley
Duckett
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Broad
Wood
Tongue
Hit 'em with pace. They don't like it. Of course, there will be calls for Anderson at OT but now is not the time for sentiment and he has been off the pace this series. I'm assuming Robinson is unfit and also assuming Broad will play given we now have a bit of respite, knowing he hasn't been 'rotated' yet.
I'd like Foakes in as keeper, freeing up Bairstow to go in at 3 and concentrate solely on batting. Spin has not been massively used and Root is there if needed. It's not an ideal scenario to go in without a frontline spinner but you can only name 11 men. |
The problem with Bairstow for me is he has got no real runs in the series, let alone his poor keeping
Not that anyone has torn it up at three either
Tongue needs to come in and we can have the pace of Tongue and Wood on the fast bouncy Old Trafford track
They'll probably want Jimmy to play one last game there but he's looked well off the pace, so far [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 21:42]
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:53 - Jul 9 with 2365 views | Ftnfwest |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:51 - Jul 9 by bournemouthblue |
The problem with Bairstow for me is he has got no real runs in the series, let alone his poor keeping
Not that anyone has torn it up at three either
Tongue needs to come in and we can have the pace of Tongue and Wood on the fast bouncy Old Trafford track
They'll probably want Jimmy to play one last game there but he's looked well off the pace, so far [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 21:42]
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Unleash bairstow without the gloves as per last year |  | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:55 - Jul 9 with 2349 views | Ftnfwest |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:45 - Jul 9 by gainsboroughblue |
Crawley
Duckett
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Broad
Wood
Tongue
Hit 'em with pace. They don't like it. Of course, there will be calls for Anderson at OT but now is not the time for sentiment and he has been off the pace this series. I'm assuming Robinson is unfit and also assuming Broad will play given we now have a bit of respite, knowing he hasn't been 'rotated' yet.
I'd like Foakes in as keeper, freeing up Bairstow to go in at 3 and concentrate solely on batting. Spin has not been massively used and Root is there if needed. It's not an ideal scenario to go in without a frontline spinner but you can only name 11 men. |
OT usually spins so I’d have moeen for one of the seamers, probably tongue, but he’d have a shout for the oval then in place of wood who I doubt would make it | | | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:56 - Jul 9 with 2343 views | EddyJ |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:32 - Jul 9 by Keno |
Ducket hasn’t done anything per se, was just trying to juggle things to get Foakes in
OT takes spin and “poor bowler” Ali has over 200 test wickets and is englands 3rd leading spin bowler
Going to be an interesting selection |
Over 200 test wickets...
... at an average of 37.
Ali's wickets come from longevity, rather than quality, in an era when England play more tests than they did in the past. There have been no standout spinners in the county game, so Ali's alleged batting prowess has got him the place.
All English spinners have poor averages, because the pitches here don't favour them. Even Swann's average was 30. The role of a spinner in England is to hold up an end while you rest the quicks. Moeen struggles to do this. He tends to be expensive, and gets hit out of the attack. So he has both a poor average and he fails to hold up an end. I don't see what he offers that Root doesn't.
Comparing England's frontline spinners since 2000, only Swann stands out as being true quality.
Tufnell - 42 matches, 121 wickets @ 38
Giles - 54 matches, 143 wickets @ 41
Swann - 60 matches, 255 wickets @ 30
Panesar - 50 matches, 167 wickets @35
Ali - 66 matches, 200 wickets @37
Leach - 35 matches, 124 wickets @34 | | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 20:09 - Jul 9 with 2303 views | Keno |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:56 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
Over 200 test wickets...
... at an average of 37.
Ali's wickets come from longevity, rather than quality, in an era when England play more tests than they did in the past. There have been no standout spinners in the county game, so Ali's alleged batting prowess has got him the place.
All English spinners have poor averages, because the pitches here don't favour them. Even Swann's average was 30. The role of a spinner in England is to hold up an end while you rest the quicks. Moeen struggles to do this. He tends to be expensive, and gets hit out of the attack. So he has both a poor average and he fails to hold up an end. I don't see what he offers that Root doesn't.
Comparing England's frontline spinners since 2000, only Swann stands out as being true quality.
Tufnell - 42 matches, 121 wickets @ 38
Giles - 54 matches, 143 wickets @ 41
Swann - 60 matches, 255 wickets @ 30
Panesar - 50 matches, 167 wickets @35
Ali - 66 matches, 200 wickets @37
Leach - 35 matches, 124 wickets @34 |
We really do have a real lack of decent spinners don’t we!
Be interesting to see how Ahmed develops | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 20:11 - Jul 9 with 2288 views | EddyJ |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 20:09 - Jul 9 by Keno |
We really do have a real lack of decent spinners don’t we!
Be interesting to see how Ahmed develops |
If we were to lose the next test, I'd throw Ahmed in for the final test to give him a taste.
We know the county game doesn't develop spinners, so if we want someone good, we have to use him in the national team. | | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 20:13 - Jul 9 with 2273 views | Keno |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 20:11 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
If we were to lose the next test, I'd throw Ahmed in for the final test to give him a taste.
We know the county game doesn't develop spinners, so if we want someone good, we have to use him in the national team. |
That’s a good call.
Have you read Warnes last book? His comments on English county cricket are fairly brutal | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? (n/t) on 20:51 - Jul 9 with 2220 views | Radlett_blue |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:56 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
Over 200 test wickets...
... at an average of 37.
Ali's wickets come from longevity, rather than quality, in an era when England play more tests than they did in the past. There have been no standout spinners in the county game, so Ali's alleged batting prowess has got him the place.
All English spinners have poor averages, because the pitches here don't favour them. Even Swann's average was 30. The role of a spinner in England is to hold up an end while you rest the quicks. Moeen struggles to do this. He tends to be expensive, and gets hit out of the attack. So he has both a poor average and he fails to hold up an end. I don't see what he offers that Root doesn't.
Comparing England's frontline spinners since 2000, only Swann stands out as being true quality.
Tufnell - 42 matches, 121 wickets @ 38
Giles - 54 matches, 143 wickets @ 41
Swann - 60 matches, 255 wickets @ 30
Panesar - 50 matches, 167 wickets @35
Ali - 66 matches, 200 wickets @37
Leach - 35 matches, 124 wickets @34 |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? (n/t) on 20:51 - Jul 9 with 2219 views | Radlett_blue |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:56 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
Over 200 test wickets...
... at an average of 37.
Ali's wickets come from longevity, rather than quality, in an era when England play more tests than they did in the past. There have been no standout spinners in the county game, so Ali's alleged batting prowess has got him the place.
All English spinners have poor averages, because the pitches here don't favour them. Even Swann's average was 30. The role of a spinner in England is to hold up an end while you rest the quicks. Moeen struggles to do this. He tends to be expensive, and gets hit out of the attack. So he has both a poor average and he fails to hold up an end. I don't see what he offers that Root doesn't.
Comparing England's frontline spinners since 2000, only Swann stands out as being true quality.
Tufnell - 42 matches, 121 wickets @ 38
Giles - 54 matches, 143 wickets @ 41
Swann - 60 matches, 255 wickets @ 30
Panesar - 50 matches, 167 wickets @35
Ali - 66 matches, 200 wickets @37
Leach - 35 matches, 124 wickets @34 |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? (n/t) on 20:51 - Jul 9 with 2219 views | Radlett_blue |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 19:56 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
Over 200 test wickets...
... at an average of 37.
Ali's wickets come from longevity, rather than quality, in an era when England play more tests than they did in the past. There have been no standout spinners in the county game, so Ali's alleged batting prowess has got him the place.
All English spinners have poor averages, because the pitches here don't favour them. Even Swann's average was 30. The role of a spinner in England is to hold up an end while you rest the quicks. Moeen struggles to do this. He tends to be expensive, and gets hit out of the attack. So he has both a poor average and he fails to hold up an end. I don't see what he offers that Root doesn't.
Comparing England's frontline spinners since 2000, only Swann stands out as being true quality.
Tufnell - 42 matches, 121 wickets @ 38
Giles - 54 matches, 143 wickets @ 41
Swann - 60 matches, 255 wickets @ 30
Panesar - 50 matches, 167 wickets @35
Ali - 66 matches, 200 wickets @37
Leach - 35 matches, 124 wickets @34 |
Spot on. English cricket doesn't develop decent spinners, for a variety of well documented reasons. Moeen Ali became England's spinner by accident - he regarded himself as a batsman who could bowl a bit. He's taken a fair few wickets in England, but isn't the type of bowler to keep an end quiet & has a poor record overseas. He only gets in the team because he can bat but he's made 63 runs from 4 innings in this series & the Aussies know how to bounce him out. He shouldn't be in the team - Root is a reasonable spin bowler. I'd have Foakes as WK & Bairstow as a batter. However, jonny will keep the gloves as he's a big mte of Stokes. Tongue should come in for robinson on a fast pitch, but I'm sure the past it Anderson will get the nod. [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 20:59]
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:04 - Jul 9 with 2191 views | BasingstokeBlue |
s/You are/If you were/
I'm definitely not an England Test Selector. (nor, I imagine, are many others reading your post). |  |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:10 - Jul 9 with 2181 views | BlueForYou |
Crawley
Duckett
Root
Brook
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Tongue
Must have a proper WKR. Weather in the NW not looking good so spinner won't be needed, but Dawson plays if needed. That XI will be very competitive. Moeen Ali at three? You're having a laugh, he's not even a Test eight! |  | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:12 - Jul 9 with 2172 views | Keno |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:04 - Jul 9 by BasingstokeBlue |
s/You are/If you were/
I'm definitely not an England Test Selector. (nor, I imagine, are many others reading your post). |
So much for trying to fit it in the title line!
Tough crowd tonight | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:26 - Jul 9 with 2134 views | Mookamoo |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 20:11 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
If we were to lose the next test, I'd throw Ahmed in for the final test to give him a taste.
We know the county game doesn't develop spinners, so if we want someone good, we have to use him in the national team. |
I'm not sure dropping Ahmed into a game where the pressure is off the Aussies and they can just go and just have fun is a good idea. They'll hit him all over the place.
We've asked Mooen to put aside all his indifferences for test cricket and play in this series. Let him play what will probably be his last lest match on his terms |  | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:28 - Jul 9 with 2130 views | EddyJ |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:12 - Jul 9 by Keno |
So much for trying to fit it in the title line!
Tough crowd tonight |
As a bit of extra crude* analysis about "holding an end", here are average overs bowled per match for each spinner.
Tufnell - 45
Giles - 38
Swann - 43
Panesar - 42
Ali - 31
Leach - 40
* Ali played some tests early in his career as a pure batsman? | | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:37 - Jul 9 with 2106 views | BlueForYou |
Can’t just gift a place to Anderson as it’s his home ground. He hasn’t earned the right in the two games he’s played. This is the Ashes not a benefit match. Tongue or Potts deserve a place & will be far more dangerous. Broad however has kept it going & taken wickets. Old Trafford is a huge must win game. We cannot afford any passengers, but I suspect McCullum will pick his mates again. | | | |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:43 - Jul 9 with 2080 views | Keno |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:28 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
As a bit of extra crude* analysis about "holding an end", here are average overs bowled per match for each spinner.
Tufnell - 45
Giles - 38
Swann - 43
Panesar - 42
Ali - 31
Leach - 40
* Ali played some tests early in his career as a pure batsman? |
Ali was very much a batsman who bowled a bit, but has morphed in a bit of a bowler who bats a bit | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? (n/t) on 21:44 - Jul 9 with 2078 views | bournemouthblue |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? (n/t) on 20:51 - Jul 9 by Radlett_blue |
Spot on. English cricket doesn't develop decent spinners, for a variety of well documented reasons. Moeen Ali became England's spinner by accident - he regarded himself as a batsman who could bowl a bit. He's taken a fair few wickets in England, but isn't the type of bowler to keep an end quiet & has a poor record overseas. He only gets in the team because he can bat but he's made 63 runs from 4 innings in this series & the Aussies know how to bounce him out. He shouldn't be in the team - Root is a reasonable spin bowler. I'd have Foakes as WK & Bairstow as a batter. However, jonny will keep the gloves as he's a big mte of Stokes. Tongue should come in for robinson on a fast pitch, but I'm sure the past it Anderson will get the nod. [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 20:59]
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The option no one is considering is Broad getting a rest, he's played 4 games now, including the Ireland one
Robinson has a knock and hasn't looked overly fit, it could easily be Anderson and Tongue coming in | |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 07:59 - Jul 10 with 1764 views | NthQldITFC |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:28 - Jul 9 by EddyJ |
As a bit of extra crude* analysis about "holding an end", here are average overs bowled per match for each spinner.
Tufnell - 45
Giles - 38
Swann - 43
Panesar - 42
Ali - 31
Leach - 40
* Ali played some tests early in his career as a pure batsman? |
I was trying to find the 'crude' bits about 'holding an end' there, and then I realised that it was just my dirty mind. As usual. Apologies. Mind you Aggers and Tuffers would have played the same shot, I rather fancy. |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 08:30 - Jul 10 with 1717 views | Herbivore |
| You are an England Test Selector, what your team for the next test? on 21:10 - Jul 9 by BlueForYou |
Crawley
Duckett
Root
Brook
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Tongue
Must have a proper WKR. Weather in the NW not looking good so spinner won't be needed, but Dawson plays if needed. That XI will be very competitive. Moeen Ali at three? You're having a laugh, he's not even a Test eight! |
Ali averages nearly 30 with the bat at test level. He's not a number three and nobody would suggest that would be a permanent home for him, but to suggest he's not even a test number 8 is ridiculous. A lot of Beard haters on this thread. He's come back in at the last minute after a long spell out and he picked up a couple of important wickets at Headingley. For me we look unbalanced without a spinner and whilst Root is fine for a few overs, he's not a genuine bowler and can't be expected to be our main spinner. |  |
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