| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 14:03 - May 21 with 2570 views | DJR |
How that women became Attorney General, I will never know because she has no respect for the rule of law
She's not fit to lace the boots (both intellectually and in terms of integrity) of people like Dominic Grieve (whom I had dealings with when he was Shadow Attorney General) and Sir Patrick Mayfield, to name a couple of Tory predecessors. |  | |  |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 21:59 - May 21 with 2398 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 14:03 - May 21 by DJR |
How that women became Attorney General, I will never know because she has no respect for the rule of law
She's not fit to lace the boots (both intellectually and in terms of integrity) of people like Dominic Grieve (whom I had dealings with when he was Shadow Attorney General) and Sir Patrick Mayfield, to name a couple of Tory predecessors. |
Didn't Truss remove her from post for that reason only for Sunak to immediately re-instate her when Truss went?
The corruption of the current Tory party was not limited to Johnson by a long way. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 06:35 - May 22 with 2294 views | Lord_Lucan |
This is the most amazing non story.
I have no particular like for Braverman but from what I can see she got a summons for speeding and she was also given the opportunity of an online course.
She asked if she could have a one to one course and was advised "No". She then said, "Ok, I'll take the points"
I can completely understand why she wouldn't want to turn up to a course with the likes of you and me (where you have an added security issue) or do a multi zoom call with everyone taking screen shots.
Likewise I wouldn't expect Elton John to be on the same course as me.
To make it even more pathetic you have Sunak going to Iceland for a European summit and he then goes to Hiroshima for the G7 which was also attended by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Whilst at the G7 i guess the subjects included Russia, China and Tawian etc and the possibility of nuclear war.
After this summit he was interviewed by the BBC who asked about the speeding ticket!
Talk about off the scale dumbing down.
Whole this is absolutely pathetic. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:36 - May 22 with 2240 views | Churchman |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 06:35 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
This is the most amazing non story.
I have no particular like for Braverman but from what I can see she got a summons for speeding and she was also given the opportunity of an online course.
She asked if she could have a one to one course and was advised "No". She then said, "Ok, I'll take the points"
I can completely understand why she wouldn't want to turn up to a course with the likes of you and me (where you have an added security issue) or do a multi zoom call with everyone taking screen shots.
Likewise I wouldn't expect Elton John to be on the same course as me.
To make it even more pathetic you have Sunak going to Iceland for a European summit and he then goes to Hiroshima for the G7 which was also attended by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Whilst at the G7 i guess the subjects included Russia, China and Tawian etc and the possibility of nuclear war.
After this summit he was interviewed by the BBC who asked about the speeding ticket!
Talk about off the scale dumbing down.
Whole this is absolutely pathetic. |
If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes. If Elton John was on the same course as me, I’d actually think nothing of it other than it’s right if he broke the law in the same way as myself.
I take your point about the importance of this against world events, but sadly this is how the world is. There is no point in that weak little man Sunak standing outside No 10 talking about codes of behaviour when his party clearly see themselves as above the law and ‘special’, whether it’s being caught ogling porn in the HoC, speeding or abusing their staff because they can.
In conclusion the dumbing down sits with the tories who have no code of behaviour beyond filling their boots while they can however they can. They’ve got to go. |  | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:41 - May 22 with 2238 views | Lord_Lucan |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:36 - May 22 by Churchman |
If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes. If Elton John was on the same course as me, I’d actually think nothing of it other than it’s right if he broke the law in the same way as myself.
I take your point about the importance of this against world events, but sadly this is how the world is. There is no point in that weak little man Sunak standing outside No 10 talking about codes of behaviour when his party clearly see themselves as above the law and ‘special’, whether it’s being caught ogling porn in the HoC, speeding or abusing their staff because they can.
In conclusion the dumbing down sits with the tories who have no code of behaviour beyond filling their boots while they can however they can. They’ve got to go. |
"If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes"
Exactly, she wasn't trying to get off with it but to do a one to one course - and when she was advised "No" she took the points and paid the fine.
You can criticise Braverman for many many things but this is just nuts. | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:48 - May 22 with 2204 views | JohnTy |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:41 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
"If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes"
Exactly, she wasn't trying to get off with it but to do a one to one course - and when she was advised "No" she took the points and paid the fine.
You can criticise Braverman for many many things but this is just nuts. |
I suspect there may be a little more to it than that.
I note that a few weeks ago one of her aides denied she had got a speeding fine. Said that it was nonsense.
We shall see. [Post edited 22 May 2023 7:50]
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:49 - May 22 with 2204 views | Dubtractor |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:41 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
"If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes"
Exactly, she wasn't trying to get off with it but to do a one to one course - and when she was advised "No" she took the points and paid the fine.
You can criticise Braverman for many many things but this is just nuts. |
Surely the lesson here, is that if you continually belittle the people working for you, you shouldn't be surprised if they take the opportunity to get one over on you. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:52 - May 22 with 2183 views | Churchman |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:41 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
"If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes"
Exactly, she wasn't trying to get off with it but to do a one to one course - and when she was advised "No" she took the points and paid the fine.
You can criticise Braverman for many many things but this is just nuts. |
If I wanted a one on one course, the best I’d get is ignored. She tried to wheedle round it, presumably to reduce public humiliation, by pressuring staff but should be subject to the same rules as everyone else. Does she go to the supermarket like everyone else? Of course she does. Well she can do the course with everyone else or take the points/fine.
As you say, more to worry about than the failings of that hag. | | | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:56 - May 22 with 2178 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 06:35 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
This is the most amazing non story.
I have no particular like for Braverman but from what I can see she got a summons for speeding and she was also given the opportunity of an online course.
She asked if she could have a one to one course and was advised "No". She then said, "Ok, I'll take the points"
I can completely understand why she wouldn't want to turn up to a course with the likes of you and me (where you have an added security issue) or do a multi zoom call with everyone taking screen shots.
Likewise I wouldn't expect Elton John to be on the same course as me.
To make it even more pathetic you have Sunak going to Iceland for a European summit and he then goes to Hiroshima for the G7 which was also attended by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Whilst at the G7 i guess the subjects included Russia, China and Tawian etc and the possibility of nuclear war.
After this summit he was interviewed by the BBC who asked about the speeding ticket!
Talk about off the scale dumbing down.
Whole this is absolutely pathetic. |
I suppose the interesting thing is that this story emerged in the Mail on Sunday and Sunday Times, so it is not clear to me that it is a left-wing plot.
I sense some backlash in parts of the Tory Party over the rightward drift of the party and Braverman's obvious grandstanding as a future leader last week.
This from yesterday's Guardian.
The former cabinet minister Matt Hancock told the Observer: “The Conservative party is finished if it succumbs to a Trumpian-style takeover. These Conservative Corbynistas are as destructive to the Tories as leftwing activists were to Labour.
“The liberal conservative majority needs to now stand up for the centre ground to ensure this rightwing takeover doesn’t succeed. We moderates can’t let these extreme voices and divisive arguments win the debate or claim the soul of the party. They’re not only wrong and deeply unattractive but bad for political discourse and the country. If the party decides that’s what it’s going to stand for, it will be a massive mistake.”
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:01 - May 22 with 2151 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:41 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
"If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes"
Exactly, she wasn't trying to get off with it but to do a one to one course - and when she was advised "No" she took the points and paid the fine.
You can criticise Braverman for many many things but this is just nuts. |
Isn't the issue her involving civil servants in the attempt to arrange a one-on-one course and whether that involvement was simply seeking advice or had an element of direction on the part of the Home Secretary?
TBH I haven't really followed the news on this as the main thrust seemed to be "politician breaks law and is punished". The punishment element makes it an unusal story perhaps. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:01 - May 22 with 2153 views | Herbivore |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 07:41 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
"If you share the roads with the plebs you should be subject to the same rules and that includes paying your dues whether it be speed awareness courses or your taxes"
Exactly, she wasn't trying to get off with it but to do a one to one course - and when she was advised "No" she took the points and paid the fine.
You can criticise Braverman for many many things but this is just nuts. |
One of the issues is that she used civil servants to try and help her to arrange a one to one course, that is not what they are there for. They are funded by tax payers and their job is to assist in the running of the country, not to assist politicians to get around the usual rules when they've broken the law. It's a further example of her complete lack of judgement and disregard for proper process, both of which, along with her being an absolute c***, make her entirely unfit for office. [Post edited 22 May 2023 8:08]
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:14 - May 22 with 2116 views | Churchman |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 14:03 - May 21 by DJR |
How that women became Attorney General, I will never know because she has no respect for the rule of law
She's not fit to lace the boots (both intellectually and in terms of integrity) of people like Dominic Grieve (whom I had dealings with when he was Shadow Attorney General) and Sir Patrick Mayfield, to name a couple of Tory predecessors. |
You are right about this. However, they’ve now embraced the idea of political appointees rather than people who are competent. It was one of the criticisms of back benchers that being any good is not what the leadership want. The better jobs go to those who supported them (lickspittles and grovellers included, presumably) rather than people with ability, of whom I suspect there are plenty.
In terms of Trumpism and the drift to the right, the tories have bullied their way towards this and fully embraced it. Where the culture is everyone is to blame but them, it’s easy and pretty much irreversible now. They’re finished. | | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:22 - May 22 with 2096 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:01 - May 22 by Herbivore |
One of the issues is that she used civil servants to try and help her to arrange a one to one course, that is not what they are there for. They are funded by tax payers and their job is to assist in the running of the country, not to assist politicians to get around the usual rules when they've broken the law. It's a further example of her complete lack of judgement and disregard for proper process, both of which, along with her being an absolute c***, make her entirely unfit for office. [Post edited 22 May 2023 8:08]
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And what makes it worse is that she was Attorney General at the time. | | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:25 - May 22 with 2070 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 21:59 - May 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Didn't Truss remove her from post for that reason only for Sunak to immediately re-instate her when Truss went?
The corruption of the current Tory party was not limited to Johnson by a long way. |
She resigned from the Truss government for breaching the Ministerial Code, and Sunak was forced to bring her back because of the support she had on that wing of the party. | | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:40 - May 22 with 2061 views | chicoazul |
Weird how the bigoted homophobic wicked Tory party keeps choosing women gay people and people of colour for high office. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 09:12 - May 22 with 1925 views | HARRY10 |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 06:35 - May 22 by Lord_Lucan |
This is the most amazing non story.
I have no particular like for Braverman but from what I can see she got a summons for speeding and she was also given the opportunity of an online course.
She asked if she could have a one to one course and was advised "No". She then said, "Ok, I'll take the points"
I can completely understand why she wouldn't want to turn up to a course with the likes of you and me (where you have an added security issue) or do a multi zoom call with everyone taking screen shots.
Likewise I wouldn't expect Elton John to be on the same course as me.
To make it even more pathetic you have Sunak going to Iceland for a European summit and he then goes to Hiroshima for the G7 which was also attended by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Whilst at the G7 i guess the subjects included Russia, China and Tawian etc and the possibility of nuclear war.
After this summit he was interviewed by the BBC who asked about the speeding ticket!
Talk about off the scale dumbing down.
Whole this is absolutely pathetic. |
That is utter rubbish from first to last.
Why you have chosen to post up an incorrect account of this event suggests you either have some reason for that, or you have chosen to use a very unreliable source.
The truth is that she asked civil servants to enquire whether it might be possible to arrange to take the speed-awareness course in private. They declined as that would have been a breach of the civil service code, as
Section 1.3 J says ministers must “not ask civil servants to act in any way which would conflict with the civil service code [a separate rulebook for Whitehall officials] - and “ministers must ensure that no conflict arises, or appears to arise, between their public duties and their private interests”.
They declined to do the 'dirty' work for her in accordance with the above, and NOT as you claim "She asked if she could have a one to one course and was advised "No".
As an MP she is part of the legislative that makes the law, she is also part of the government that implements the law, and importantly she is the minster who is responsible for ensuring those laws are upheld. Yet she has been caught trying to wheedle out of her sentence my misusing her position.
One of the major cornerstones of our justice system is that justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done. It is not meted out in private for the benefit of those on its receiving end, despite the cap doffing whines of righties. And if that has any meaning then the person at the head of the justice system should be subject to that understanding.
A more accurate idea of where you are coming from is your guff about it being a BBC journalist who asked Sunak about this matter. You might care to remember Sunak promised he would lead with “integrity, professionalism and accountability", after nearly three years of Tory sleaze and corruption.
It was Sunak who reappointed Braverman after she had been sacked a month or so prior due to a previous breaking of the ministerial code. Not only is she now a serial offender, but he is complicit in that by his appointing her, against solid advice. To paraphrase, one reckless appointment (Zahawi) may be regarded as a misfortune; to appoint two........
And you think he should not be held, to the very word he stated ..... accountable ? |  | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 09:54 - May 22 with 1860 views | Herbivore |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:40 - May 22 by chicoazul |
Weird how the bigoted homophobic wicked Tory party keeps choosing women gay people and people of colour for high office. |
You got an up arrow from Zapers, says it all. | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 09:58 - May 22 with 1837 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:40 - May 22 by chicoazul |
Weird how the bigoted homophobic wicked Tory party keeps choosing women gay people and people of colour for high office. |
That is true, and is to its credit, but such progressive attitudes aren't reflected in its public pronouncements and policies which are getting increasing illiberal and bigoted, in contrast to, say, the Cameron government. [Post edited 22 May 2023 10:00]
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:11 - May 22 with 1677 views | BlueBadger |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 08:40 - May 22 by chicoazul |
Weird how the bigoted homophobic wicked Tory party keeps choosing women gay people and people of colour for high office. |
They see them as 'the good ones'. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:12 - May 22 with 1676 views | BlueBadger |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 09:58 - May 22 by DJR |
That is true, and is to its credit, but such progressive attitudes aren't reflected in its public pronouncements and policies which are getting increasing illiberal and bigoted, in contrast to, say, the Cameron government. [Post edited 22 May 2023 10:00]
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Which was also bigoted and illiberal, but just chose to do it whilst couching it in coded labguage. | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:13 - May 22 with 1676 views | BlueBadger |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 09:54 - May 22 by Herbivore |
You got an up arrow from Zapers, says it all. |
I've said before, when Chico opted to model himself on a Hitchens for his edgelord career, he decided on Peter. | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 with 1670 views | baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:40 - May 22 with 1615 views | eireblue |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
Yea, well this is it isn’t it, rules like the ministerial code should be a bit flexible.
I am sure the Home Secretary of the U.K. makes it clear that the rules are indeed a little bit fuzzy and grey, probably gets standing ovations when making that point in policy speeches at conferences. |  | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:44 - May 22 with 1606 views | Herbivore |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
If she's broken the ministerial code it won't be for the first time and she should go. Frankly she should never have been allowed back into the cabinet in the first place. | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:53 - May 22 with 1560 views | Churchman |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
Did she drive and break the speed limit on a public road? If the answer is yes, then she takes her punishment just like everyone else. No debate, no excuses, no privilege.
If she was that concerned about being a public figure she wouldn’t have sped in the first place. Suck it up.
There’s no witch hunt, just another person who believes themselves to be special. They are not. Nobody is. At least in my world they shouldn’t be. | | | |
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