| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? 09:36 - Nov 18 with 2642 views | WeWereZombies |
Or are the students just not giving themselves up peaceably? Interesting video clip at the start of this article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-50455727
[edit] Just seen this, does not seem much of an incentive for a protester to give themselves up:
'Police are looking for a peaceful way to end the standoff, said Chief Superintendent Kwok Ka-chuen of Police Public Relations Branch.
"As long as these masked rioters give up their weapons, drop their weapons, follow police instructions and shoulder their legal responsibilities, the police have no reason to use force."
Police added that anyone who surrenders to police will be arrested for rioting, a charge that carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.' [Post edited 18 Nov 2019 9:43]
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 09:48 - Nov 18 with 2610 views | StokieBlue |
Both sides seem totally polarised now and the violence is escalating.
Police seem to be using live rounds more frequently and protesters are doing some awful stuff as well. There does need to be a small caveat that the protesters might not be protesters at all - pretty easy to send someone in and do horrible things pretending to be one. There is no evidence for that I will hasten to add but the protesters are claiming it's the case but without evidence we have to assume it's the protesters doing those things.
The standoff is getting bad now though. The university said the police said they could leave without arrest but when they tried the police forced them back inside with tear gas.
Neither side will back down and whenever a student is interview they simply say they have no choice because if they don't fight for freedoms now they will lose them for the rest of their lives. I can't see how that position can be reconciled with the Chinese government position.
The fact that police are still charging protesters for wearing face masks even though the ban has been deemed illegal in the courts shows why they think the way they do.
It's a total mess. Can only see one endgame now which unfortunately is the PLA on the streets at some point.
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 10:34 - Nov 18 with 2579 views | hampstead_blue |
It was reported this morning that the University staff didn't recognise ayn of the remaining protestors.
Is this a Chinese rent-a mob once more?
They have done it before (allegedly).
I have serious doubts as to the legitimacy of the Chinese behaviour. Something smells like last month's milk........ |  |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 12:56 - Nov 18 with 2519 views | StokieBlue |
An editor of the Global Times, the English-language arm of the Chinese state-run People’s Daily newspaper, went as far as to suggest police should open fire on the campus with sniper rifles. “If the rioters are killed, the police should not have to bear legal responsibility,” Hu Xijin wrote on Weibo.
This is the stage we are at now - state-run media testing the waters for shooting them basically.
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:03 - Nov 18 with 2484 views | Leaky |
Strange Hong Kong gets all the publicity on the news channels . The yellow vest protest has been going on for a year & doesn't get a mention |  | | |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:07 - Nov 18 with 2476 views | WeWereZombies |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:03 - Nov 18 by Leaky |
Strange Hong Kong gets all the publicity on the news channels . The yellow vest protest has been going on for a year & doesn't get a mention |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50447733 | |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:07 - Nov 18 with 2476 views | StokieBlue |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:03 - Nov 18 by Leaky |
Strange Hong Kong gets all the publicity on the news channels . The yellow vest protest has been going on for a year & doesn't get a mention |
It's an ex-colony of the UK and a situation where a UK agreed treaty agreement might get basically ignored?
The yellow vests were in the news just yesterday:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50447733
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:13 - Nov 18 with 2467 views | chicoazul |
It must be so cool living in Hong Kong at the moment and seeing totally sick battles every day. |  |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:22 - Nov 18 with 2458 views | m14_blue |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:03 - Nov 18 by Leaky |
Strange Hong Kong gets all the publicity on the news channels . The yellow vest protest has been going on for a year & doesn't get a mention |
What are you implying?
This exact point gets brought up on here every time HK is mentioned. |  | | |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:39 - Nov 18 with 2449 views | Bluesquid |
Good to see that their High Court ruled that the face mask ban was unconstitutional because it infringed on the fundamental rights of citizens.
Let's hope that the High Courts in the many countries in the West where a face mask ban is in place all follow suit. | | | |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 15:08 - Nov 18 with 2430 views | Leaky |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:22 - Nov 18 by m14_blue |
What are you implying?
This exact point gets brought up on here every time HK is mentioned. |
Pehaps the british media aare ignoring the yellow vest protests because its happening in a EU country | | | |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 15:18 - Nov 18 with 2422 views | StokieBlue |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 15:08 - Nov 18 by Leaky |
Pehaps the british media aare ignoring the yellow vest protests because its happening in a EU country |
So conspiratorial nonsense without any evidence?
Unless you care to post some evidence?
Two posters have posted evidence to the contrary that the yellow vests were covered just yesterday.
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? (n/t) on 15:18 - Nov 18 with 2421 views | Leaky |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:22 - Nov 18 by m14_blue |
What are you implying?
This exact point gets brought up on here every time HK is mentioned. |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 15:20 - Nov 18 with 2419 views | StokieBlue |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:39 - Nov 18 by Bluesquid |
Good to see that their High Court ruled that the face mask ban was unconstitutional because it infringed on the fundamental rights of citizens.
Let's hope that the High Courts in the many countries in the West where a face mask ban is in place all follow suit. |
The laws of HK are roughly based on British Common Law so I am not sure you can draw an East/West distinction. You could possibly draw a country by country distinction though.
The HK police are apparently not accepting the ruling and still prosecuting people for wearing masks as of today.
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 18:09 - Nov 18 with 2377 views | hampstead_blue |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:13 - Nov 18 by chicoazul |
It must be so cool living in Hong Kong at the moment and seeing totally sick battles every day. |
A bit like Belfast back in the day. | |
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Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 06:39 - Nov 19 with 2317 views | StokieBlue |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:39 - Nov 18 by Bluesquid |
Good to see that their High Court ruled that the face mask ban was unconstitutional because it infringed on the fundamental rights of citizens.
Let's hope that the High Courts in the many countries in the West where a face mask ban is in place all follow suit. |
Might want to rethink this post. The Chinese government have overruled the court decision on face masks.
This type of action is why there are protests in the first place.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/19/hong-kong-courts-cant-rule-on-face
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 07:23 - Nov 19 with 2307 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 09:48 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
Both sides seem totally polarised now and the violence is escalating.
Police seem to be using live rounds more frequently and protesters are doing some awful stuff as well. There does need to be a small caveat that the protesters might not be protesters at all - pretty easy to send someone in and do horrible things pretending to be one. There is no evidence for that I will hasten to add but the protesters are claiming it's the case but without evidence we have to assume it's the protesters doing those things.
The standoff is getting bad now though. The university said the police said they could leave without arrest but when they tried the police forced them back inside with tear gas.
Neither side will back down and whenever a student is interview they simply say they have no choice because if they don't fight for freedoms now they will lose them for the rest of their lives. I can't see how that position can be reconciled with the Chinese government position.
The fact that police are still charging protesters for wearing face masks even though the ban has been deemed illegal in the courts shows why they think the way they do.
It's a total mess. Can only see one endgame now which unfortunately is the PLA on the streets at some point.
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With the police using live rounds the protesters are perfectly entitled to do worse (petrol bombs, etc). The reality is that it is now a war between the state and the people. The people will likely lose this one, as they don't have the same resources as the state to fight and the state isn't weak enough to submit.
The police in most countries are scum when it comes to mass protests. I think protests around the world in democratic countries will change forever as a result of this. Everyone has seen tactics to overcome tear gas, cameras, communication, etc. |  |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 07:32 - Nov 19 with 2304 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 15:08 - Nov 18 by Leaky |
Pehaps the british media aare ignoring the yellow vest protests because its happening in a EU country |
If you travel to France now, you will see it as much smaller movement with far less clear goals. With Hong Kong it is clear.
I do get what you are trying to imply. I don't entirely agree, but I would say the discourse is built to frame the movement in a way that doesn't legitimise similar actions in other EU nations.
Even ER is framed in the same way. And the UK state acted illegally by banning their right to protest. Not that I have much sympathy with them. But EU governments are scared of protests at the moment as they can quite easily turn into more. | |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 07:39 - Nov 19 with 2299 views | WeWereZombies |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 07:23 - Nov 19 by Kropotkin123 |
With the police using live rounds the protesters are perfectly entitled to do worse (petrol bombs, etc). The reality is that it is now a war between the state and the people. The people will likely lose this one, as they don't have the same resources as the state to fight and the state isn't weak enough to submit.
The police in most countries are scum when it comes to mass protests. I think protests around the world in democratic countries will change forever as a result of this. Everyone has seen tactics to overcome tear gas, cameras, communication, etc. |
If you go to the Apartheid Museum in Johannesburg there is quite an exhibition of police equipment that was used during the 1970s and 1980s, much of it not too dissimilar to what is being used in Hong Kong now. Global publicity does not change things overnight and whatever outrage is expressed in Western media may not get reflected elsewhere, certainly not in state controlled Chinese media. The fall of apartheid came about as much from economic stagnation as from protest but some of that economic stagnation was due to less overt passive resistance to an authoritarian regime.
Disappointing that the police have not been outflanked by the non-student protester population of Hong Kong appearing behind them in hundreds of thousands but maybe the resistance will become more nuanced in the coming months. | |
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| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 07:59 - Nov 19 with 2294 views | Hong_Kong_Bluey |
| Hong Kong protests - are the authorities provoking the students for publicity? on 14:13 - Nov 18 by chicoazul |
It must be so cool living in Hong Kong at the moment and seeing totally sick battles every day. |
It's definitely interesting living in what will be a momentous point of history in the future.
Hong Kong is safe. Don't cancel any plans. Come on in and work around the situation like 7 million of us do every day. Hotels are cheap as chips too right now. |  | | |
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