| Tony blairs new Labour ... 22:25 - May 5 with 5409 views | bazza |
Is why it will take decades for labour to challenge the conservatives. He Left the country and his own party in a sh@t state. |  | | |  |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 23:51 - May 5 with 3525 views | Coastalblue |
Surely it's now being launched about three decades backwards? Labour's biggest issue as I see it at the moment (aside from the bearded one) is that the average man on the street doesn't see how they are relevant to them. |  |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 00:39 - May 6 with 3511 views | bournemouthblue |
I don't think it will take that long
Corbyn maybe performing the Kinnock role before finding a capable leader. What the Blairites have failed to realise is that the leftists are here to stay and even if Corbyn goes, he'll be replaced my another lefty
I think that man will be Clive Lewis who has a similar outlook to Corbyn but is crucially more likeable and has even served in the TA. He won't suffer from a lack of patriotism in the same way Corbyn has.
I also expect Brexit to be a total mess under the Tories, Lewis maybe a medicine to the total feck up the Tories will make of it. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:09]
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:03 - May 6 with 3501 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 00:39 - May 6 by bournemouthblue |
I don't think it will take that long
Corbyn maybe performing the Kinnock role before finding a capable leader. What the Blairites have failed to realise is that the leftists are here to stay and even if Corbyn goes, he'll be replaced my another lefty
I think that man will be Clive Lewis who has a similar outlook to Corbyn but is crucially more likeable and has even served in the TA. He won't suffer from a lack of patriotism in the same way Corbyn has.
I also expect Brexit to be a total mess under the Tories, Lewis maybe a medicine to the total feck up the Tories will make of it. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:09]
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Blimey. You think the current focus to the left is something that resonates with the voters and will therefore continue? Despite the evidence to the contrary?
I know Corbyn has staunch support from a minority but it's pretty thin in the electorate, rightly or wrongly. I don't like the way the focus is on him, but take his personality out of it and they're still having a car crash of a campaign so far. They lack coherant policies and a clear messages. |  |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:14 - May 6 with 3490 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:03 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Blimey. You think the current focus to the left is something that resonates with the voters and will therefore continue? Despite the evidence to the contrary?
I know Corbyn has staunch support from a minority but it's pretty thin in the electorate, rightly or wrongly. I don't like the way the focus is on him, but take his personality out of it and they're still having a car crash of a campaign so far. They lack coherant policies and a clear messages. |
The rhetoric and policy isn't the issue, it's the leadership ultimately
Theresa is a terrible leader and people will see through it eventually. Labour need a capable operator to remove her before it is too late.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour close the gap further as the election approaches, Theresa's policy of hiding can only backfire
Corbyn not debating if Theresa doesn't, will be a mistake. Debating an empty Podium isn't going to do our supposedly strong leader any favours, particularly if the electoral fraud scandal goes out.
Don't forget the Labour members pick their leader and much of that base have fallen out of love with New Labour. Corbyn in many ways is the anti-Blair candidate. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:15]
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 06:41 - May 6 with 3402 views | TractorWood |
A left wing candidate is a poor shout by Labour. They will never appeal to the numbers required to run a successful campaign. All they can do is make theoritcal pledges and occasionally take the moral high ground when the Tories have to make commercial decisions.
The Tories are the safest shout, so will inevitably come out on top in the circumstances. Preserving and increasing personal wealth is most people's deal breaker, Labour are a risk from this angle. |  |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 07:19 - May 6 with 3379 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 00:39 - May 6 by bournemouthblue |
I don't think it will take that long
Corbyn maybe performing the Kinnock role before finding a capable leader. What the Blairites have failed to realise is that the leftists are here to stay and even if Corbyn goes, he'll be replaced my another lefty
I think that man will be Clive Lewis who has a similar outlook to Corbyn but is crucially more likeable and has even served in the TA. He won't suffer from a lack of patriotism in the same way Corbyn has.
I also expect Brexit to be a total mess under the Tories, Lewis maybe a medicine to the total feck up the Tories will make of it. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:09]
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Corbyn maybe performing the Kinnock role?
Like rooting out the hard left and making Labour look almost electable.
Corbyn isn't even performing the Michael Foot role. At least Foot was a political giant.
Corbyn is basically Dereck Hatton without the scouse charm and flash jewellery. [Post edited 6 May 2017 7:21]
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 07:25 - May 6 with 3360 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:14 - May 6 by bournemouthblue |
The rhetoric and policy isn't the issue, it's the leadership ultimately
Theresa is a terrible leader and people will see through it eventually. Labour need a capable operator to remove her before it is too late.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour close the gap further as the election approaches, Theresa's policy of hiding can only backfire
Corbyn not debating if Theresa doesn't, will be a mistake. Debating an empty Podium isn't going to do our supposedly strong leader any favours, particularly if the electoral fraud scandal goes out.
Don't forget the Labour members pick their leader and much of that base have fallen out of love with New Labour. Corbyn in many ways is the anti-Blair candidate. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:15]
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"I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour close the gap further"
What did you mean further? The gap has been consistent since she called the election, other than one rogue poll.
http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/
You seem completely deluded. With all due respect. | |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 07:26 - May 6 with 3358 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:03 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Blimey. You think the current focus to the left is something that resonates with the voters and will therefore continue? Despite the evidence to the contrary?
I know Corbyn has staunch support from a minority but it's pretty thin in the electorate, rightly or wrongly. I don't like the way the focus is on him, but take his personality out of it and they're still having a car crash of a campaign so far. They lack coherant policies and a clear messages. |
Corbyn and McDonnell will be looking at the results from yesterday and conclude that Labour haven't been left wing enough. | |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 07:33 - May 6 with 3340 views | lowhouseblue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 07:25 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
"I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour close the gap further"
What did you mean further? The gap has been consistent since she called the election, other than one rogue poll.
http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/
You seem completely deluded. With all due respect. |
you need a dianne abbott approach to maths to think the gap is closing.
but it's ok. in the remaining weeks john mcdonnell is going to be more prominent. i guess arthur scargill and derek hatton aren't available. little red books for every voter. |  |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:18 - May 6 with 3292 views | StokieBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:14 - May 6 by bournemouthblue |
The rhetoric and policy isn't the issue, it's the leadership ultimately
Theresa is a terrible leader and people will see through it eventually. Labour need a capable operator to remove her before it is too late.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour close the gap further as the election approaches, Theresa's policy of hiding can only backfire
Corbyn not debating if Theresa doesn't, will be a mistake. Debating an empty Podium isn't going to do our supposedly strong leader any favours, particularly if the electoral fraud scandal goes out.
Don't forget the Labour members pick their leader and much of that base have fallen out of love with New Labour. Corbyn in many ways is the anti-Blair candidate. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:15]
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I'm sorry but this is just not based on the real world. Did you see the results yesterday and the polls generally throughout the campaign?
Currently Britain as a populace has no interest in a leftist party and to continue that march (McDonnell really does want to go back to the 1970s, he said it last week) would be folly.
The leadership is attroius but to say rhetoric and policy aren't issues is head in the sand stuff.
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:24 - May 6 with 3281 views | No9 |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 01:14 - May 6 by bournemouthblue |
The rhetoric and policy isn't the issue, it's the leadership ultimately
Theresa is a terrible leader and people will see through it eventually. Labour need a capable operator to remove her before it is too late.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour close the gap further as the election approaches, Theresa's policy of hiding can only backfire
Corbyn not debating if Theresa doesn't, will be a mistake. Debating an empty Podium isn't going to do our supposedly strong leader any favours, particularly if the electoral fraud scandal goes out.
Don't forget the Labour members pick their leader and much of that base have fallen out of love with New Labour. Corbyn in many ways is the anti-Blair candidate. [Post edited 6 May 2017 1:15]
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"Theresa is a terrible leader and people will see through it eventually. Labour need a capable operator to remove her before it is too late."
The Finacial sector is moving out, big money talks, if she continues to take a stupid insulting attitude toward European leaders which may cost the tory big money supporters dear, she will be gone no matter how much the right try to protect her.
No matter who labour put up the RW media will destroy them, Blair, like it or not, at least knows how to manipulate the important sectors of the media |  | | |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:31 - May 6 with 3272 views | StokieBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:24 - May 6 by No9 |
"Theresa is a terrible leader and people will see through it eventually. Labour need a capable operator to remove her before it is too late."
The Finacial sector is moving out, big money talks, if she continues to take a stupid insulting attitude toward European leaders which may cost the tory big money supporters dear, she will be gone no matter how much the right try to protect her.
No matter who labour put up the RW media will destroy them, Blair, like it or not, at least knows how to manipulate the important sectors of the media |
This is getting tiresome now.
The media report what the leaders so, they reported May being an idiot as well. Maybe if the Labour leadership stopped doing idiotic things they wouldn't be destroyed so often in the media. Burnham didn't want to be anywhere near JC yesterday incase he said something stupid even though they were both in Manchester and he'd won the mayorship. JC went to a socialist event instead.
Don't get me wrong, the media are not great and do have a lot to answer for but to say is just the media, the person doesn't matter is just wrong. Can't you see how appalling the Labour leadership is when dealing with the press?
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:35 - May 6 with 3261 views | No9 |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:31 - May 6 by StokieBlue |
This is getting tiresome now.
The media report what the leaders so, they reported May being an idiot as well. Maybe if the Labour leadership stopped doing idiotic things they wouldn't be destroyed so often in the media. Burnham didn't want to be anywhere near JC yesterday incase he said something stupid even though they were both in Manchester and he'd won the mayorship. JC went to a socialist event instead.
Don't get me wrong, the media are not great and do have a lot to answer for but to say is just the media, the person doesn't matter is just wrong. Can't you see how appalling the Labour leadership is when dealing with the press?
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The split in Labour isn't new it has been a split for a long while BUT, still the BBC lead with a negative about Labour at almost every opportunity. Yes it is tiresome.
I see Mrs May is now being referred to in some circles as Kim Jong May - I wonder why? | | | |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:36 - May 6 with 3254 views | lowhouseblue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:35 - May 6 by No9 |
The split in Labour isn't new it has been a split for a long while BUT, still the BBC lead with a negative about Labour at almost every opportunity. Yes it is tiresome.
I see Mrs May is now being referred to in some circles as Kim Jong May - I wonder why? |
because she faces no opposition? | |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:38 - May 6 with 3248 views | No9 |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:36 - May 6 by lowhouseblue |
because she faces no opposition? |
No, it is about promotion that is why the tories pay a small fortune (then hand out knighthoods) to people like Lynton Crosby.
Remember the Goebels philosophy | | | |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:38 - May 6 with 3247 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:36 - May 6 by lowhouseblue |
because she faces no opposition? |
You really should credit No 9 for laying on that open goal for you. | |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:42 - May 6 with 3231 views | StokieBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:35 - May 6 by No9 |
The split in Labour isn't new it has been a split for a long while BUT, still the BBC lead with a negative about Labour at almost every opportunity. Yes it is tiresome.
I see Mrs May is now being referred to in some circles as Kim Jong May - I wonder why? |
Maybe because she's done silly things and the media are responding.
You've totally destroyed your own point with Kim Jong May, can't you see that?
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:48 - May 6 with 3209 views | No9 |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:42 - May 6 by StokieBlue |
Maybe because she's done silly things and the media are responding.
You've totally destroyed your own point with Kim Jong May, can't you see that?
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Maybe if I was making a political point but I'm not.
I am referring to the media which is becoming more & more unreliable if not downright dishonest.
The bit about Kim Jong May is in an article referrenced to her conduct in government where it was reported that David Davis, as Brexit Secretary, went to a meeting with EU officials not knowing who Mrs May had introduced the EU to as 'negotiators'.
We should not avoid the issue that this is turning into an unholy mess not of whcih is A/ of labours making & b/ getting any publicity. | | | |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:52 - May 6 with 3206 views | StokieBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:48 - May 6 by No9 |
Maybe if I was making a political point but I'm not.
I am referring to the media which is becoming more & more unreliable if not downright dishonest.
The bit about Kim Jong May is in an article referrenced to her conduct in government where it was reported that David Davis, as Brexit Secretary, went to a meeting with EU officials not knowing who Mrs May had introduced the EU to as 'negotiators'.
We should not avoid the issue that this is turning into an unholy mess not of whcih is A/ of labours making & b/ getting any publicity. |
I think you've missed my point.
You said the media would destroy any Labour leader, implying bias. I said that the media report on how they are performing, if they do something silly they get responded to in that way.
How is "Kim Jong May" the media not going after a leader for what they are doing? Clearly they feel she has done something and are reporting in that way. You seem to have wilfully ignored this.
The reason Labour are getting punished more in the media is because their leaders keep doing idiotic things. Look at Abbot this week, car crash after car crash. It's a gift to the media which of course they will accept.
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:57 - May 6 with 3189 views | Herbivore |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 06:41 - May 6 by TractorWood |
A left wing candidate is a poor shout by Labour. They will never appeal to the numbers required to run a successful campaign. All they can do is make theoritcal pledges and occasionally take the moral high ground when the Tories have to make commercial decisions.
The Tories are the safest shout, so will inevitably come out on top in the circumstances. Preserving and increasing personal wealth is most people's deal breaker, Labour are a risk from this angle. |
That second paragraph is painfully depressing. |  |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 09:01 - May 6 with 3185 views | No9 |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:52 - May 6 by StokieBlue |
I think you've missed my point.
You said the media would destroy any Labour leader, implying bias. I said that the media report on how they are performing, if they do something silly they get responded to in that way.
How is "Kim Jong May" the media not going after a leader for what they are doing? Clearly they feel she has done something and are reporting in that way. You seem to have wilfully ignored this.
The reason Labour are getting punished more in the media is because their leaders keep doing idiotic things. Look at Abbot this week, car crash after car crash. It's a gift to the media which of course they will accept.
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Remember this; Blar travelled halfway round the world to crawl up Murdoc's @rse simply because he knew that not getting Murdoch on his side would finish him.
It matters not who labour put up the media will destry them.
Take a simple matter Diane Abbot makes a mess (not at all unexpected) in an interview about policing.
The police commissioner has said they cannot effectively police the nation. The education authorities are putting metal detectors in schoools to try to find knives on pupils. Crimes are increasing in rural areas where they no longer get reported. Fruad crime is reported to be at record levels.
Where I live we have 4 police officers to cover an area in excess of 120 square miles, 24hrs 365 days a week & we had an unpublicised increase in the PCC levy.
When Brandon Lewis was interviewed on the BBC he dishonestly claimed crime is at record lows and there are more police than ever on the force - it of course went unchallenged.
But Ms Abbot is the story NOT the parlous state of the nations police force. | | | |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 09:02 - May 6 with 3187 views | Herbivore |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:52 - May 6 by StokieBlue |
I think you've missed my point.
You said the media would destroy any Labour leader, implying bias. I said that the media report on how they are performing, if they do something silly they get responded to in that way.
How is "Kim Jong May" the media not going after a leader for what they are doing? Clearly they feel she has done something and are reporting in that way. You seem to have wilfully ignored this.
The reason Labour are getting punished more in the media is because their leaders keep doing idiotic things. Look at Abbot this week, car crash after car crash. It's a gift to the media which of course they will accept.
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Come on now, the media in the UK are not impartial reporters of events. You are being hugely disingenuous. | |
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| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 09:08 - May 6 with 3155 views | No9 |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 08:52 - May 6 by StokieBlue |
I think you've missed my point.
You said the media would destroy any Labour leader, implying bias. I said that the media report on how they are performing, if they do something silly they get responded to in that way.
How is "Kim Jong May" the media not going after a leader for what they are doing? Clearly they feel she has done something and are reporting in that way. You seem to have wilfully ignored this.
The reason Labour are getting punished more in the media is because their leaders keep doing idiotic things. Look at Abbot this week, car crash after car crash. It's a gift to the media which of course they will accept.
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Here is something from the LSE for you to consider.
https://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf
Forget not, the Goebbels philosophy | | | |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 09:10 - May 6 with 3146 views | StokieBlue |
| Tony blairs new Labour ... on 09:02 - May 6 by Herbivore |
Come on now, the media in the UK are not impartial reporters of events. You are being hugely disingenuous. |
I think there are a number of left and right leaning outlets and that each reports in the way suitable to their readership. Both take swipes at the leaders, it's just Labour are giving them more ammunition at the moment.
In the past Labour have had the best of the media, it swings around. It's more pro-Tory at the moment but to say the media will destroy any Labour leader as No9 did is just as disingenuous.
Obviously the whole debate is going to be viewed from the perspective of the side you lean to so I guess it's one people will never agree on.
The Guardian are referring to May as "Kim Jong May" or "Supreme Leader" after all.
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