| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" 01:51 - Nov 18 with 853 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
from our Electricity and Gas supplier. Approximately double the "Cap".
Just a reminder everyone, when you get yours over the next few weeks, Thatcher did this. The Tories did this. This is Conservative Policy.
Until the mid 1980s Electricity Generation, Transmission and Supply were all State owned. The huge hikes in Electricity and Gas Bills of recent months could have been avoided if they had remained as assets for all of us, not sold too cheaply to the rich in the name of "efficiency" by the Conservative Party. There would have been no profiting at the hands of "Suppliers" if the Tories hadn't sold what was ours on the cheap to their rich friends.
This is all demonstrably factual information, just with the usual Tory Party Central Office and Murdoch Media spin and bllsht removed. |  | | |  |
| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 07:48 - Nov 18 with 716 views | Guthrum |
That is true, but ...
Up to the early 1970s we in the west lived off oil taken from the Middle East at semi-colonial prices, then we produced our own for a bit, along with gas, before getting it at cheap rates from Russia for the last 20 years. What we are seeing now is the actual cost of hydrocarbon energy in a world where we can't force suppliers to produce as much as we want (let alone the threat to the ecosystem). |  |
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| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 08:24 - Nov 18 with 663 views | DJR |
| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 07:48 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
That is true, but ...
Up to the early 1970s we in the west lived off oil taken from the Middle East at semi-colonial prices, then we produced our own for a bit, along with gas, before getting it at cheap rates from Russia for the last 20 years. What we are seeing now is the actual cost of hydrocarbon energy in a world where we can't force suppliers to produce as much as we want (let alone the threat to the ecosystem). |
The problems with privatisation aren't just down high hydrocarbon prices. Did you know, for example, that 5.8 billion pounds were added yesterday to our electricity bills because of the cost of the bail-out of Bulb Energy? Of course, that will be paid back over many years, but it does suggest a system that stinks.
The fact is under nationalisation we became the first country in the world to develop nuclear power, and had nationalisation continued we might now, like France, have around 70% of our energy from nuclear power.
The privatisation of gas and electricity in the 1980s gave up any control we had over the energy market, the "political" dash for gas depleted our gas reserves, and North Sea oil revenues were frittered away.
My father worked for Eastern Electricity, and it was plain to see at the time that it worked for the common good, something that has never been the case for any privatised utility.
EDIT: I have had a couple of incidents with Southern Water over the years. Before privatisation, they used to regularly clear out the public drains near me but they never do now. Their philosophy is it is cheaper to clear up after the event, rather than do what would really be in the public interest. It's all about the bottom line these days. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 8:33]
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| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 08:36 - Nov 18 with 639 views | Guthrum |
| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 08:24 - Nov 18 by DJR |
The problems with privatisation aren't just down high hydrocarbon prices. Did you know, for example, that 5.8 billion pounds were added yesterday to our electricity bills because of the cost of the bail-out of Bulb Energy? Of course, that will be paid back over many years, but it does suggest a system that stinks.
The fact is under nationalisation we became the first country in the world to develop nuclear power, and had nationalisation continued we might now, like France, have around 70% of our energy from nuclear power.
The privatisation of gas and electricity in the 1980s gave up any control we had over the energy market, the "political" dash for gas depleted our gas reserves, and North Sea oil revenues were frittered away.
My father worked for Eastern Electricity, and it was plain to see at the time that it worked for the common good, something that has never been the case for any privatised utility.
EDIT: I have had a couple of incidents with Southern Water over the years. Before privatisation, they used to regularly clear out the public drains near me but they never do now. Their philosophy is it is cheaper to clear up after the event, rather than do what would really be in the public interest. It's all about the bottom line these days. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 8:33]
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Absolutely.
One of the issues with pricing is because our energy suppliers are foreign-owned, there is no insulation from the European price-hikes, despite actually exporting gas.
Another aspect is that many areas (notably the railways) were privatised on the promise they would be wildly profitable, when that was marginal at best. Thus the franchises are constantly struggling with high costs, low earnings and shareholder pressure. | |
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| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 08:59 - Nov 18 with 596 views | SaleAway |
| We have just received a "revised Standing Order Suggestion" on 07:48 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
That is true, but ...
Up to the early 1970s we in the west lived off oil taken from the Middle East at semi-colonial prices, then we produced our own for a bit, along with gas, before getting it at cheap rates from Russia for the last 20 years. What we are seeing now is the actual cost of hydrocarbon energy in a world where we can't force suppliers to produce as much as we want (let alone the threat to the ecosystem). |
Its also true that we have a broken energy market....
the UK generated 57% of its October electricity from zero-carbon sources, but we're paying rates of electricity based on the cost of gas.
If the energy suppliers were government owned, that excess profit from wind/nuclear etc could offset the cost of gas, and shield the customer, but instead, everyone who creates electricity is coining it at the cost of the consumer. | |
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