| "Oven-ready" - on 13:39 - Dec 13 with 678 views | bluelagos |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:33 - Dec 13 by giant_stow |
What you've laid out there is probably why a deal will only happen if the EU make some serious concessions. I can't see Boris backing down far now.
Just for clarity, I'm saying that's right or wrong just where we are. |
They'll fudge it - they always do.
We get a free trade deal but basically have to conform to the EU rules. We end up with a shed load of paperwork for moving goods across the border. We lose all our rights to go and live and work in the EU.
The Tory right are happy 'cos we can limit European migration. We can also do deals with 3rd countries to try and mitigate against some of the lost business / trade our new arrangements will incur.
And we get blue passports. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 13:42 - Dec 13 with 666 views | giant_stow |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:39 - Dec 13 by bluelagos |
They'll fudge it - they always do.
We get a free trade deal but basically have to conform to the EU rules. We end up with a shed load of paperwork for moving goods across the border. We lose all our rights to go and live and work in the EU.
The Tory right are happy 'cos we can limit European migration. We can also do deals with 3rd countries to try and mitigate against some of the lost business / trade our new arrangements will incur.
And we get blue passports. |
I guess that's more likely, but I just wonder if the Tories have come too far to take that. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 13:47 - Dec 13 with 648 views | bluelagos |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:42 - Dec 13 by giant_stow |
I guess that's more likely, but I just wonder if the Tories have come too far to take that. |
It's bluster imho. The breakup of the union would become probable if we went that route. You think BJ wants to be the PM who oversaw that?
A deal is in everyone's interests at the end of the day, especially ours. | |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 13:47 - Dec 13 with 645 views | gordon |
| "Oven-ready" - on 09:23 - Dec 13 by GlasgowBlue |
There seems to be a lack of compromise from either side. nd compromise in in the best interests of the UK and the EU.
It's quite sad to see the hard core brexiteers treating the EU like the enemy and only seeing fault with the other side, whilst equally sad to see the hard core remainers only see fault on the side of our government.
And that goes for people on here. Perhaps Ullaa being the only exception. |
That's one of the least self-aware posts I've ever seen on here, and I've seen a few! |  | | |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:48 - Dec 13 with 643 views | GlasgowBlue |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:42 - Dec 13 by giant_stow |
I guess that's more likely, but I just wonder if the Tories have come too far to take that. |
The fact that they have agreed to carry on would suggest that there has been some movement on either one or both sides. Otherwise what's the point?
I read that the EU has dropped its demand for a ratchet clause to impose lightening tariffs for LPF divergence. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 13:54 - Dec 13 with 632 views | giant_stow |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:48 - Dec 13 by GlasgowBlue |
The fact that they have agreed to carry on would suggest that there has been some movement on either one or both sides. Otherwise what's the point?
I read that the EU has dropped its demand for a ratchet clause to impose lightening tariffs for LPF divergence. |
That would help a lot if true, i spose. | |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 13:55 - Dec 13 with 625 views | Ryorry |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:42 - Dec 13 by giant_stow |
I guess that's more likely, but I just wonder if the Tories have come too far to take that. |
It'd take someone of real stature & diplomacy to work a face-saving way out of this for johnson & the tories - can't see anyone around ...
I did like Tusk as EU President tho - he seemed to genuinely care about the UK & its citizens in a way that this current shower of sh1te masquerading as a government never have. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 14:09 - Dec 13 with 613 views | Herbivore |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:08 - Dec 13 by GlasgowBlue |
I think that's a fair comment. Starmer has said he will whip labour into voting for a deal so the pressure is off Johnson to appease the ERG. So he has every reason to compromise in the interests of the country.
I'll ask you a similar question. And are the EU negotiating in the best interests of it's member states or are they determined that the UK cannot be seen to succeed outside of the EU.
Are they negotiating with the UK in the same way they would Canada or any other third party nation or are they negotiating with us in a more punitive fashion because we voted to leave? |
Barnier's mandate comes from the member states, so yes they've been negotiating in the interests of their member states. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 14:21 - Dec 13 with 595 views | J2BLUE |
| "Oven-ready" - on 13:55 - Dec 13 by Ryorry |
It'd take someone of real stature & diplomacy to work a face-saving way out of this for johnson & the tories - can't see anyone around ...
I did like Tusk as EU President tho - he seemed to genuinely care about the UK & its citizens in a way that this current shower of sh1te masquerading as a government never have. |
We should be given the opportunity to vote it down.
If you order something from Amazon and it's nothing like what was described you send it back. Yet we can't have a confirmation vote on something this big?
It's madness. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 14:22 - Dec 13 with 594 views | gordon |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:09 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Barnier's mandate comes from the member states, so yes they've been negotiating in the interests of their member states. |
No, that can't be right, surely it's in their best interests to do what we want them to do? | | | |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:40 - Dec 13 with 564 views | HARRY10 |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:21 - Dec 13 by J2BLUE |
We should be given the opportunity to vote it down.
If you order something from Amazon and it's nothing like what was described you send it back. Yet we can't have a confirmation vote on something this big?
It's madness. |
remind us who fought so hard to block Parliament having a final say
and the idea of having a referendum on the deal is absurd, if only for logistical reasons
and it should be borne in mind all the current problems are what were warned about prior to this |  | | |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:50 - Dec 13 with 552 views | gordon |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:40 - Dec 13 by HARRY10 |
remind us who fought so hard to block Parliament having a final say
and the idea of having a referendum on the deal is absurd, if only for logistical reasons
and it should be borne in mind all the current problems are what were warned about prior to this |
Yes, the vote for Brexit was a vote for precisely this situation - people were warned repeatedly, but chose to trust the likes of Johnson, Hannan, Gove, Farage etc rather than people who knew what they were talking about. | | | |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:52 - Dec 13 with 544 views | footers |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:50 - Dec 13 by gordon |
Yes, the vote for Brexit was a vote for precisely this situation - people were warned repeatedly, but chose to trust the likes of Johnson, Hannan, Gove, Farage etc rather than people who knew what they were talking about. |
It really is mad to think all of this could have been so easily avoided if Cameron had a backbone. And the Tories still haven't learnt that pandering to these people is not the road to go down. Complete madness. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 14:55 - Dec 13 with 530 views | J2BLUE |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:40 - Dec 13 by HARRY10 |
remind us who fought so hard to block Parliament having a final say
and the idea of having a referendum on the deal is absurd, if only for logistical reasons
and it should be borne in mind all the current problems are what were warned about prior to this |
Disagree with your second point. This is the deal, are you happy with it or do you want to stay? It's pretty simple. | |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 15:00 - Dec 13 with 510 views | Herbivore |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:55 - Dec 13 by J2BLUE |
Disagree with your second point. This is the deal, are you happy with it or do you want to stay? It's pretty simple. |
We can't stay now though, we've already left. | |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 15:02 - Dec 13 with 507 views | Darth_Koont |
| "Oven-ready" - on 12:24 - Dec 13 by Darth_Koont |
What’s your definition of a Soft Brexit? I don’t remember you pitching that at all. |
Still waiting to hear about that Soft Brexit you say you were advocating.
It’s hard to get away from the idea that, like the Government and the Tory party, you’re making it up as you go along. |  |
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| "Oven-ready" - on 15:03 - Dec 13 with 503 views | gordon |
| "Oven-ready" - on 14:52 - Dec 13 by footers |
It really is mad to think all of this could have been so easily avoided if Cameron had a backbone. And the Tories still haven't learnt that pandering to these people is not the road to go down. Complete madness. |
Yes, the sheer, utter stupidity of Brexit should never be forgotten or overlooked - it was a vote for the nation to set out on a course with no plan whatsoever, led by people who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.
The revisionist attempts to say 'ah but my Brexit would have been fine' or to blame the EU, or remainers, or anything/anyone else should be treated with the utmost contempt. | | | |
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