| Latest Brexit position 08:11 - Aug 20 with 7378 views | Herbivore |
The backstop has to go, although we acknowledge we need something in Ireland to avoid a hard border but we're not sure what, but we're willing to work at it and might be up for making certain legal commitments that aren't the backstop. Glad we've cleared that up. Surely this is all about looking willing to do a deal so that he can blame the EU when we don't end up with one? It's just not serious and sums up the state of our PM and his government.
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:24 - Aug 20 with 1771 views | gordon |
| Latest Brexit position on 13:16 - Aug 20 by Darth_Koont |
Agreed. As you say, there are many political advantages for the EU with a No Deal Brexit. And in the mid to long term many economic advantages as foreign investment and market share will no doubt slide from the UK into the EU.
But they won't go for that because of screwing over Ireland and putting an unfair economic burden on many people, companies and industries that currently rely on UK trade. So basically they're acting like reasonable adults rather than spoilt, greedy children.
We're seeing what happens when an organization represents its member states and citizens. In stark contrast to our self-interested government that want others to pay the price for the ideological and party political rabbit hole they're stuck in. |
Yes, one of the great contradictions of the Brexit project has been the consistently expressed view of brexiteers that the EU will always act in their short-term economic self-interest, ignoring any longer-term political and strategic considerations.
Meanwhile, the Brexit project enthusiastically embraces the probability of short-term economic self-harm in the UK, because it might deliver some intangible longer-term benefits which, as yet, three years after the referendum, have yet to even be expressed in a coherent, internally consistent manner. |  | | |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:27 - Aug 20 with 1758 views | gordon |
Those are all examples of the press just factually reporting the positions of some pretty important trade groups / institutions / politicians, aren't they?
Do you think it would be in national interest for our media not to report that these warnings are being made? | | | |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:27 - Aug 20 with 1756 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:24 - Aug 20 by gordon |
Yes, one of the great contradictions of the Brexit project has been the consistently expressed view of brexiteers that the EU will always act in their short-term economic self-interest, ignoring any longer-term political and strategic considerations.
Meanwhile, the Brexit project enthusiastically embraces the probability of short-term economic self-harm in the UK, because it might deliver some intangible longer-term benefits which, as yet, three years after the referendum, have yet to even be expressed in a coherent, internally consistent manner. |
"Yes, one of the great contradictions of the Brexit project has been the consistently expressed view of brexiteers that the EU will always act in their short-term economic self-interest, ignoring any longer-term political and strategic considerations."
Quite the opposite in my case, but then I'm more a sceptic of the people running the EU than I am a brexiteer. |  |
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:30 - Aug 20 with 1749 views | BrixtonBlue |
Without wasting my time going through all those, can you show me to the one's that say Zimbabwe-like. |  |
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:35 - Aug 20 with 1730 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:27 - Aug 20 by gordon |
Those are all examples of the press just factually reporting the positions of some pretty important trade groups / institutions / politicians, aren't they?
Do you think it would be in national interest for our media not to report that these warnings are being made? |
Then, panic!!
Our country has been taken over by a madman and we're all going to starve, run out of money and get Diphtheria... important trade groups / institutions / politicians have predicted it and the Press has diligently reported the warnings of these sages.
European Union, America, Germany, Malawi*... save us from this certain plight!
#Panic
#We'reDoomed
#ItsNotGoingToHappen
#EnjoyTheShow
*Russia need not apply. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:37 - Aug 20 with 1724 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:35 - Aug 20 by caught-in-limbo |
Then, panic!!
Our country has been taken over by a madman and we're all going to starve, run out of money and get Diphtheria... important trade groups / institutions / politicians have predicted it and the Press has diligently reported the warnings of these sages.
European Union, America, Germany, Malawi*... save us from this certain plight!
#Panic
#We'reDoomed
#ItsNotGoingToHappen
#EnjoyTheShow
*Russia need not apply. |
Sometimes I think you're a laugh. Sometimes I think you're bonkers in the nut. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:39 - Aug 20 with 1723 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:30 - Aug 20 by BrixtonBlue |
Without wasting my time going through all those, can you show me to the one's that say Zimbabwe-like. |
It appears your brain didn't get out of the wrong side of the bed like you did. It hasn't got out of bed at all.
EDIT: ones, not one's [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 14:49]
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:43 - Aug 20 with 1709 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:37 - Aug 20 by BrixtonBlue |
Sometimes I think you're a laugh. Sometimes I think you're bonkers in the nut. |
It's tricky for some people to know what I'm saying based on text alone.
#WeWantCannedLaughter | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:51 - Aug 20 with 1689 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:39 - Aug 20 by caught-in-limbo |
It appears your brain didn't get out of the wrong side of the bed like you did. It hasn't got out of bed at all.
EDIT: ones, not one's [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 14:49]
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That's weird. Are you suggesting my brain's happy but the rest of me isn't?!
Do you want to still keep avoiding the question or answer it? | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 14:58 - Aug 20 with 1676 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:51 - Aug 20 by BrixtonBlue |
That's weird. Are you suggesting my brain's happy but the rest of me isn't?!
Do you want to still keep avoiding the question or answer it? |
I said "So we know it's not going to happen and there's no point fearing a Zimbabwe like scenario no matter what fear mongering experts in the press want to generate."
Empty supermarket shelves, failing businesses and the need for airlifted medical supplies are (in the public imagination) Zimbabwe-like. I have given examples of the UK press reporting fears of all of these things happening. Yet you actually want the words "zimbabwe-like" to appear in the articles.
Go on, wake your noggin up.
#LordHelpUsThesePeopleNotOnlyHaveTheRightToVoteButTheyUseIt [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 15:00]
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| Latest Brexit position on 15:08 - Aug 20 with 1656 views | Herbivore |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:35 - Aug 20 by caught-in-limbo |
Then, panic!!
Our country has been taken over by a madman and we're all going to starve, run out of money and get Diphtheria... important trade groups / institutions / politicians have predicted it and the Press has diligently reported the warnings of these sages.
European Union, America, Germany, Malawi*... save us from this certain plight!
#Panic
#We'reDoomed
#ItsNotGoingToHappen
#EnjoyTheShow
*Russia need not apply. |
You're an idiot. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 15:11 - Aug 20 with 1651 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 15:08 - Aug 20 by Herbivore |
You're an idiot. |
You're charming. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 16:17 - Aug 20 with 1610 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Latest Brexit position on 14:58 - Aug 20 by caught-in-limbo |
I said "So we know it's not going to happen and there's no point fearing a Zimbabwe like scenario no matter what fear mongering experts in the press want to generate."
Empty supermarket shelves, failing businesses and the need for airlifted medical supplies are (in the public imagination) Zimbabwe-like. I have given examples of the UK press reporting fears of all of these things happening. Yet you actually want the words "zimbabwe-like" to appear in the articles.
Go on, wake your noggin up.
#LordHelpUsThesePeopleNotOnlyHaveTheRightToVoteButTheyUseIt [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 15:00]
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Wow, patronising much?
You've proved my point, thanks. No-one actually said in the press that it would be Zimbabwe-like, you just made that up. Irony of ironies, it was YOU who was scaremongering.
Or rather, you built a straw man and got found out.
Where are the reports that empty supermarket shelves, failing businesses and the need for airlifted medical supplies are Zimbabwe-like in the public's imagination?!
Have you got any evidence the public think it will be as bad as Zimbabwe? | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 16:26 - Aug 20 with 1597 views | jaykay |
| Latest Brexit position on 16:17 - Aug 20 by BrixtonBlue |
Wow, patronising much?
You've proved my point, thanks. No-one actually said in the press that it would be Zimbabwe-like, you just made that up. Irony of ironies, it was YOU who was scaremongering.
Or rather, you built a straw man and got found out.
Where are the reports that empty supermarket shelves, failing businesses and the need for airlifted medical supplies are Zimbabwe-like in the public's imagination?!
Have you got any evidence the public think it will be as bad as Zimbabwe? |
i think homer used zimbabwe like first.did you ask him for a link as well. or is it just certain posters who get asked this |  |
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| Latest Brexit position on 17:09 - Aug 20 with 1576 views | midastouch |
| Latest Brexit position on 09:17 - Aug 20 by midastouch |
Rory Stewart is back from his summer walking holiday so I imagine he'll throw his weight behind getting Parliament to try and stop a no deal. He seems more of a unifying force than some of the other options so he might stand a better chance than some of the others. But they do need to understand "united we stand, divided we fall". Also, I'm not sure how much Corbyn's heart is in it. They obviously need him to call a no confidence vote but I'm not sure if he'd be prepared to then subsequently line up behind anybody else.
I'd be surprised if this goes through in 70 or however many days it is till the deadline, as there seems way too much unresolved complexity up in the air, but at the same time I would never say never. If you look at the odds of a no deal with the bookmakers they have been reducing for example but that might be based purely on the weight of money going down rather than any greater insight than the rest of us.
Going to be an interesting and potentially very turbulent few weeks / months ahead...
Hold tight! |
None of the above! At least that's what this poll indicates:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/20/public-are-oppo
For sample size and weighting data see here:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/1ytttqaivr/Intern |  |
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| Latest Brexit position on 17:12 - Aug 20 with 1569 views | Herbivore |
| Latest Brexit position on 16:26 - Aug 20 by jaykay |
i think homer used zimbabwe like first.did you ask him for a link as well. or is it just certain posters who get asked this |
I already pulled him up on his comparisons to Zimbabwe. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 17:45 - Aug 20 with 1537 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 16:17 - Aug 20 by BrixtonBlue |
Wow, patronising much?
You've proved my point, thanks. No-one actually said in the press that it would be Zimbabwe-like, you just made that up. Irony of ironies, it was YOU who was scaremongering.
Or rather, you built a straw man and got found out.
Where are the reports that empty supermarket shelves, failing businesses and the need for airlifted medical supplies are Zimbabwe-like in the public's imagination?!
Have you got any evidence the public think it will be as bad as Zimbabwe? |
What is it about Zimbabwe that's so awful?
Among plenty of other things, I would imagine supermarkets with empty shelves, failing businesses and the need to have essential medical supplies airlifted in are three such ingredients.
Haven't those three things been reported in the press as genuine concerns by apparent "people in the know"? Do you not think a common reaction to those stories is fear that it could/will happen?
I'm genuinely sorry if you think I'm being patronising, but you're not really grasping the meaning of two words: "like" as a suffix, and "scaremongering".
Can you not see how an empty shelf in a foodstore in Zimbabwe is similar to an empty shelf in a UK supermarket? Apart from the fact that both shelves are in places where you'd normally buy food, they are both empty. Emptiness, wherever you go in the world is much the same: there's a distinct lack of something being present.
In case you think I'm making it up: here's a UK dictionary definition:
Like as a suffix
We can use like as a suffix at the end of a noun to mean ‘similar to’:
There is something child-like about Marianne. She always seems so innocent.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/common-verbs/like
The use of "Zimbabwe-like" is perfectly apt in describing the conditions being warned about in the press.
Scaremongering
the action of spreading stories that make people feel worried or frightened:
We hear scaremongering that a minimum wage will destroy jobs.
Whether this scenario comes to pass or not, people are worried as a result of what they've heard. That's scaremongering.
There's no straw man being created by me, or anything like me being "found out".
It's just you, not understanding English very well. There's not much I can do about that. But you think I'm the idiot. LOL. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 17:50 - Aug 20 with 1529 views | Herbivore |
| Latest Brexit position on 17:45 - Aug 20 by caught-in-limbo |
What is it about Zimbabwe that's so awful?
Among plenty of other things, I would imagine supermarkets with empty shelves, failing businesses and the need to have essential medical supplies airlifted in are three such ingredients.
Haven't those three things been reported in the press as genuine concerns by apparent "people in the know"? Do you not think a common reaction to those stories is fear that it could/will happen?
I'm genuinely sorry if you think I'm being patronising, but you're not really grasping the meaning of two words: "like" as a suffix, and "scaremongering".
Can you not see how an empty shelf in a foodstore in Zimbabwe is similar to an empty shelf in a UK supermarket? Apart from the fact that both shelves are in places where you'd normally buy food, they are both empty. Emptiness, wherever you go in the world is much the same: there's a distinct lack of something being present.
In case you think I'm making it up: here's a UK dictionary definition:
Like as a suffix
We can use like as a suffix at the end of a noun to mean ‘similar to’:
There is something child-like about Marianne. She always seems so innocent.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/common-verbs/like
The use of "Zimbabwe-like" is perfectly apt in describing the conditions being warned about in the press.
Scaremongering
the action of spreading stories that make people feel worried or frightened:
We hear scaremongering that a minimum wage will destroy jobs.
Whether this scenario comes to pass or not, people are worried as a result of what they've heard. That's scaremongering.
There's no straw man being created by me, or anything like me being "found out".
It's just you, not understanding English very well. There's not much I can do about that. But you think I'm the idiot. LOL. |
You're insufferable. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 17:59 - Aug 20 with 1522 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 17:50 - Aug 20 by Herbivore |
You're insufferable. |
Insufferable:
very annoying, unpleasant, or uncomfortable, and therefore extremely difficult to bear.
You can't change others, but you can change yourself.
Meditating on your own short-comings, like intolerance, is a better long term solution than blaming others. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 18:11 - Aug 20 with 1501 views | Herbivore |
| Latest Brexit position on 17:59 - Aug 20 by caught-in-limbo |
Insufferable:
very annoying, unpleasant, or uncomfortable, and therefore extremely difficult to bear.
You can't change others, but you can change yourself.
Meditating on your own short-comings, like intolerance, is a better long term solution than blaming others. |
I'm comfortable with who I am, thanks. You remain insufferable. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 18:20 - Aug 20 with 1494 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Latest Brexit position on 18:11 - Aug 20 by Herbivore |
I'm comfortable with who I am, thanks. You remain insufferable. |
Now you're struggling with the meaning of insufferable. My behaviour here is causing you to suffer. But you say you're comfortable as you are. Then, by definition, I'm not insufferable - unless you're a masochist, in which case you should be upvoting my comments and not down-voting them.
You're lucky I'm not charging you for all this education you're receiving today. | |
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| Latest Brexit position on 18:31 - Aug 20 with 1499 views | tabletopjoe |
I see Merkel’s started to buckle on the backstop ruse. Her EU counterparts won’t be happy that she’s breaking the pretence that they can’t negotiate. |  |
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