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Finally seen this penalty incident from last night 09:32 - Jun 2 with 3480 views

Did they use VAR for it? Only it clearly deflected off sissokos body before it hit his arm, if you’re pointing at something, that is a ‘natural’ way to do it, and aiming for someone’s arm/hand by an attacker isn’t that ‘natural’ I’d suggest. Still, whatever, it all sounded pretty pants anyway.

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 16:41 - Jun 2 with 367 views

Durovigutum

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 16:30 - Jun 2 by J4ck22
It never worked that way, players very rarely deliberately handball.

The problem is the only person who REALLY knows if the handball is deliberate is the player handling the ball.

This means every handball offence is down to the interpretation of the referee. The "school league table" syndrome kicks in and the men in grey suits try to make the rules consistent as you can't trust the referee. The argument against trusting a referee is Keith Stroud.

They removed a load of the rules saying "intentional" but left "deliberate" handball.

The biggest problem with rule comprehension next season will be that three yellow cards still won't get you a red in certain circumstances in step 5 and below...

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 16:45 - Jun 2 with 364 views

sparks

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 16:41 - Jun 2 by Durovigutum

You have to allow a referee, who's profession is the making of good judgments on what he sees, to make good judgments. Its not perfect, but there are plenty of matters of judgment in a game. This is one of them.

No one was fussing about the handball rule 10 years ago. Nothing has changed, other than the narrative and the stupid attempts to elaborate on a simple straightforward and practical rule.

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Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 17:44 - Jun 2 with 337 views

OsborneOneNil

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 10:41 - Jun 2 by Garv
I'm not one for handballs because a lot of the time they can't do anything about it. I generally say "players have arms, you can't punish them for that", but that was one was naive and while he didn't deliberately handball it, he did deliberately put his outstretched arm above his head, and the ball hit it. Pen.

Amazing, totally disagree. No way a pen, for me.

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 18:01 - Jun 2 with 333 views

sparks

Finally seen this penalty incident from last night on 17:44 - Jun 2 by OsborneOneNil
Amazing, totally disagree. No way a pen, for me.

Quite. On the basis of the reasoning in that post, the conclousion is demonstrably wrong. And that is the problem with the rule- people not actually knowing or applying it. Nothing else!

Not intentional, not an offence.

Of course, there is the grey area ofjudgment- when someone makes themselves deliberately bigger and is reckless about whether their arm is part of that- and that, again, is a matterof judgment ont he facts for the ref.

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