| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' 07:49 - Nov 9 with 22069 views | homer_123 |
with the whole Patel affair, dies it not?
Surely May's position as 'leader' would have potential been stronger had she 'sacked' Patel for breaking the Ministerial Code and/ or not being candid about all her meetings.
Might she have benefited from decisive leadership and sacking Patel as opposed to letting her resign. Could it be argued that by also removing Boris from his role, she would look stronger?
I'm not blind to the fact that she put these into their respective roles and she wouldn't like either on the back benches, so ideally she would rather not be in this position.
However, all that aside, I can't help feeling this morning that the reason Patel was allowed to resign is that there is clearly some truth in the notion that the FCO and/ or Downing Street were more aware of the situation than they have let on.
I'm no Tom Watson fan, far from it, but he's right to be asking more questions and looking to seek clarification on the matter. As I say, it all seems rather off kilter.
2 Cabinet minister gone
Brexit talks in deadlock
Majority slashed
Sexual harassment situation (appreciate this is hitting all parties)
Surely this government can't go on much longer, can it? |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:18 - Nov 9 with 3885 views | BackToRussia |
Whatever the exact truth its clear the government is corrupt and incompetent. How much longer do we have to put up with this group of sh1theads? Feels like it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better though. People still think people like Rees Mogg or Boris could improve the situation. Until ordinary people realise they're being fvcked they all get a free pass. |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:46 - Nov 9 with 3849 views | No9 |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 08:27 - Nov 9 by hype313 |
Ress Mogg said ""arcane constitutional reasons"? He doesn't think lying is a reason... |
Last night he implied, or seemed to imply, Ms Patel will return to police the governments Brexit activities from the back benches.
He also made it clear if Mrs May tried to replace Ms Patel with a non Brexteer there would be trouble for the government
Mr Rees-Mogg it seems may well personably benefit considerably from the UK being outside the EU. A conflict of intersts may well be in existence and it is no credit to the HoC that potential conflicts of interest have not been investigated or, if they have I have missed it? |  | | |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:47 - Nov 9 with 3844 views | StokieBlue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:18 - Nov 9 by BackToRussia |
Whatever the exact truth its clear the government is corrupt and incompetent. How much longer do we have to put up with this group of sh1theads? Feels like it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better though. People still think people like Rees Mogg or Boris could improve the situation. Until ordinary people realise they're being fvcked they all get a free pass. |
I agree they are totally rubbish.
However what do you want to happen? Another election? What if the Tories win that one as well?
The Tories should clean-up their house, get a new leader and some fresh faces and then call an election once everything is settled. It won't happen though, it'll be May for a while I imagine.
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:50 - Nov 9 with 3839 views | BlueBadger |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:47 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I agree they are totally rubbish.
However what do you want to happen? Another election? What if the Tories win that one as well?
The Tories should clean-up their house, get a new leader and some fresh faces and then call an election once everything is settled. It won't happen though, it'll be May for a while I imagine.
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At this point, looking at the polling all that will be achieved is another hung parliament with accompanying horse-trading, shenanigans and fudging. |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:53 - Nov 9 with 3831 views | No9 |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:47 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I agree they are totally rubbish.
However what do you want to happen? Another election? What if the Tories win that one as well?
The Tories should clean-up their house, get a new leader and some fresh faces and then call an election once everything is settled. It won't happen though, it'll be May for a while I imagine.
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We need a stop to all proceedings (not realistic) while we change the voting system. Change how political parties are funded. Change how candidates are selected - across the board.
Presently we have a government comprised of differing personal interests with an opposition not much better albiet from a different perspective. | | | |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 13:13 - Nov 9 with 3820 views | BlueBadger |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 11:51 - Nov 9 by lowhouseblue |
surely you have a youtube video to tell us 'who is behind johnson'?
who is it? [Post edited 9 Nov 2017 18:04]
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I suspect that it's nothing more sinister than hi sown fevered ego. | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 13:27 - Nov 9 with 3810 views | lowhouseblue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 13:13 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
I suspect that it's nothing more sinister than hi sown fevered ego. |
for a man that incompetent to have an ego that large is pretty sinister. |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:43 - Nov 9 with 3773 views | connorscontract |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 09:11 - Nov 9 by factual_blue |
The principle that no minister ever has any meeting without a note taker present is an extremely sensible one, and not an arcane constitutional one.
I'd have thought Moggy-woggy would love an arcane constitutional reason. |
Did you see Rees-Mogg's initial response? Straight out of the Trump play-book:
Patel has had to resign because "probably" some Remainer Civil Servant had leaked details of her meetings to undermine the Government.
I would love to hear anyone's defence of such a statement. Supposition, dog-whistling and dead-cat bouncing all wrapped up in one snarly soundbite. | | | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:44 - Nov 9 with 3771 views | BackToRussia |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:47 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I agree they are totally rubbish.
However what do you want to happen? Another election? What if the Tories win that one as well?
The Tories should clean-up their house, get a new leader and some fresh faces and then call an election once everything is settled. It won't happen though, it'll be May for a while I imagine.
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Clean up? How about disband the party. They've had 150 years to do anything decent and they haven't managed it.
Not fit for purpose. | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:45 - Nov 9 with 3772 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:53 - Nov 9 by No9 |
We need a stop to all proceedings (not realistic) while we change the voting system. Change how political parties are funded. Change how candidates are selected - across the board.
Presently we have a government comprised of differing personal interests with an opposition not much better albiet from a different perspective. |
You may not like it but the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is stable, and it gives the Tories a formal majority in the Commons. The next election is five years away. The polls show Tory support at 40% or more, which is better than anything David Cameron achieved, so you are going to have to wait a few more years for your election.
Those my friend are the facts. |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:49 - Nov 9 with 3764 views | StokieBlue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:44 - Nov 9 by BackToRussia |
Clean up? How about disband the party. They've had 150 years to do anything decent and they haven't managed it.
Not fit for purpose. |
So you want a one party state?
The socialist/communist dream.
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:50 - Nov 9 with 3759 views | SpruceMoose |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:45 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
You may not like it but the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is stable, and it gives the Tories a formal majority in the Commons. The next election is five years away. The polls show Tory support at 40% or more, which is better than anything David Cameron achieved, so you are going to have to wait a few more years for your election.
Those my friend are the facts. |
Well, this bit isn't any kind of fact...
"you are going to have to wait a few more years for your election. "
...it's opinion.
The polls show a downward trend in Tory support since May, don't they? Can't see anything arresting that decline, the way they're carrying on. [Post edited 9 Nov 2017 15:54]
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:58 - Nov 9 with 3735 views | chicoazul |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 12:50 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
At this point, looking at the polling all that will be achieved is another hung parliament with accompanying horse-trading, shenanigans and fudging. |
In years to come we will look back at 2010-15 Coalition as a period of relatively calm and stable government. |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:13 - Nov 9 with 3718 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:50 - Nov 9 by SpruceMoose |
Well, this bit isn't any kind of fact...
"you are going to have to wait a few more years for your election. "
...it's opinion.
The polls show a downward trend in Tory support since May, don't they? Can't see anything arresting that decline, the way they're carrying on. [Post edited 9 Nov 2017 15:54]
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Well the polls show a downward trend in Tory support if you take them from the date May called the election to polling day. But in reality, and I know it's hard to believe, May actually got 2.4 million more votes than Cameron did in 2015 and 3 million more than he got in 2010.
She also increased the Tory vote from 36.1% in 2010 and 36.9% in 2015 to 42.2%. Just a tad less than the 43.9% Maggie got in 1979.
And yes it is a fact that she doesn't have to call an election for another five years unless she loses her majority. | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:29 - Nov 9 with 3694 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 11:51 - Nov 9 by lowhouseblue |
surely you have a youtube video to tell us 'who is behind johnson'?
who is it? [Post edited 9 Nov 2017 18:04]
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Narrow minded ignorant people boil the news down to just 2 mediums: mainstream press and youtube videos.
There are hundreds of excellent independent journalists on the internet, many of them without youtube channels and even more who don't blame the Israelis for everything.
I think your efforts to turn every discussion about independent media into a question of anti-semitism or collusion with Russia not only boring but sickening. |  |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:31 - Nov 9 with 3693 views | StokieBlue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:29 - Nov 9 by caught-in-limbo |
Narrow minded ignorant people boil the news down to just 2 mediums: mainstream press and youtube videos.
There are hundreds of excellent independent journalists on the internet, many of them without youtube channels and even more who don't blame the Israelis for everything.
I think your efforts to turn every discussion about independent media into a question of anti-semitism or collusion with Russia not only boring but sickening. |
What makes an independent journalist less likely to have an agenda?
I would have though given they have nobody to answer to they are more likely to have either an agenda or an unconscious bias.
Interested to hear your thoughts on that.
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:35 - Nov 9 with 3689 views | SpruceMoose |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:31 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
What makes an independent journalist less likely to have an agenda?
I would have though given they have nobody to answer to they are more likely to have either an agenda or an unconscious bias.
Interested to hear your thoughts on that.
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I think CIL, like most people, just picks and consumes whichever new sources that fit her existing worldview, and disparages the rest.
I'll read whatever is posted up as evidence in an open minded fashion, but just because something is supposedly independent doesn't give it any extra validity in my eyes, for the reasons you stated. | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:39 - Nov 9 with 3679 views | SpruceMoose |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:34 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
An entirely different debate. You were questioning whether she had increased the Tory vote. Which she did.
The Tories are polling in average higher than anything during Cameron’s time. Most people outside of the awestminster bubble won’t have even registered the Priti Patel resignation. They would be vaguely aware of the Boris fcuk up and would have noted that all parties are involved in the Pestminster scandal.
We’ve had high profile resignations before. Mandelson went twice in the space of two years over alleged mortgage fraud and arranging dodgy passports. Blair was the first serving Prime Minister in living memory to be interviewed by plod in a number 10 over the cash for honours scandal. Fin Davies went do being caught in Hampstead Heath or something similar. All of which barely registered.
People care about what hits their pockets. That will decide the next election. |
To quote a TWTD board giant, I wish people would read what I write.
Where did doubt I your assertion that she had increased the Tory vote? | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:43 - Nov 9 with 3675 views | lowhouseblue |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:29 - Nov 9 by caught-in-limbo |
Narrow minded ignorant people boil the news down to just 2 mediums: mainstream press and youtube videos.
There are hundreds of excellent independent journalists on the internet, many of them without youtube channels and even more who don't blame the Israelis for everything.
I think your efforts to turn every discussion about independent media into a question of anti-semitism or collusion with Russia not only boring but sickening. |
your the one who seems to think that youtube videos count as proof.
so who do you think is 'behind johnson'?
you came up with the notion so I assume you have an idea about it? | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:46 - Nov 9 with 3668 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:31 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
What makes an independent journalist less likely to have an agenda?
I would have though given they have nobody to answer to they are more likely to have either an agenda or an unconscious bias.
Interested to hear your thoughts on that.
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I'm not saying independent journalists don't have "an agenda", but when they do, their agenda is very often just "peace" in my experience.
We must have had this discussion a dozen times on this site before, so your question - while politely asked - is not sincere. I'm sure you're fully aware how state run and corporate media works in any country irrespective of its political system. | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:48 - Nov 9 with 3668 views | Archer4721 |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:43 - Nov 9 by lowhouseblue |
your the one who seems to think that youtube videos count as proof.
so who do you think is 'behind johnson'?
you came up with the notion so I assume you have an idea about it? |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:48 - Nov 9 with 3667 views | BackToRussia |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:31 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
What makes an independent journalist less likely to have an agenda?
I would have though given they have nobody to answer to they are more likely to have either an agenda or an unconscious bias.
Interested to hear your thoughts on that.
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That's some pretty twisted logic.
everyone has an agenda but its people who work for big companies which have economic and political interests that are more likely to write something untrue to further their interests. Seems obvious to me. say a nothing like me or you did some digging on a subject we were sceptical of - what do we seek to gain except the truth? There's nothing wrong with an agenda like that. | |
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| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 16:48 - Nov 9 with 3666 views | baxterbasics |
| Without going all Pazelle, something does seem rather 'off kilter' on 15:44 - Nov 9 by BackToRussia |
Clean up? How about disband the party. They've had 150 years to do anything decent and they haven't managed it.
Not fit for purpose. |
You don't think the party has done anything right in 150 years? Alrighty then. |  |
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