| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong 08:22 - Jun 28 with 845 views | WeWereZombies |
There was a curious interview with the Dalai Lama up on the BBC website yesterday:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48772175
Actually there is not too much I disagree with in this interview except for the comments that refugees should go home once it is thought safe and that if his successor is a woman she would have to be an attractive one. Maybe something gets lost in translation and we should just admire him for expressing himself in English, I doubt I could even make a decent job of saying 'Good morning' in Tibetan.
He is certainly more advanced in his views than Vladimir Putin:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48795764
It is for political sentiment to decide whether you are obsolete Vlad, not the other way round.
And as for Morrissey, this thing about British identity. I saw a live stream of a play for the first time yesterday evening - 'A Small Island' from the National Theatre beamed into the local arts centre. I was expecting to feel deflated, nothing like being in the theatre and experiencing a play 'in the flesh' but I was completely swept up in it. The Smiths were an interesting band but that play explains a lot more about some of the people I grew up with, the generation before who fought a war and where we are going forward than four young men from Manchester did - unless those young men were The Buzzcocks... |  |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 08:34 - Jun 28 with 811 views | chicoazul |
"this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population"
Pretty much spot on there Vlad, and it's the Well Actually attitude towards people who don't enjoy seeing themselves called racists, seeing their communities destroyed, seeing the elite take 40% of the rise in income while they only get 10%, and see themselves marginalised ignored & berated, that has caused Trump Brexit "Boris" and the rise of the right across central Europe. People who think liberalism in the definition of globalism, egalitarianism and atheism is somehow going to either a) solve these problems and/or b) didnt help cause them in the first place are mad. |  |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:21 - Jun 28 with 739 views | WeWereZombies |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 08:34 - Jun 28 by chicoazul |
"this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population"
Pretty much spot on there Vlad, and it's the Well Actually attitude towards people who don't enjoy seeing themselves called racists, seeing their communities destroyed, seeing the elite take 40% of the rise in income while they only get 10%, and see themselves marginalised ignored & berated, that has caused Trump Brexit "Boris" and the rise of the right across central Europe. People who think liberalism in the definition of globalism, egalitarianism and atheism is somehow going to either a) solve these problems and/or b) didnt help cause them in the first place are mad. |
I do not accept that.
Just about all of my family, my teachers and the older people I was surrounded by when I started working had served in some way in the Second World War. Their values are the ones that make sense to me (not that I always held to them in my adolescence), that form a culture to identify with. Not least because it leads somewhere, to stability and a platform to build upon. What Putin, Trump and Farage offer is nothing but chaos and it is not difficult to see why. | |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:32 - Jun 28 with 728 views | chicoazul |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:21 - Jun 28 by WeWereZombies |
I do not accept that.
Just about all of my family, my teachers and the older people I was surrounded by when I started working had served in some way in the Second World War. Their values are the ones that make sense to me (not that I always held to them in my adolescence), that form a culture to identify with. Not least because it leads somewhere, to stability and a platform to build upon. What Putin, Trump and Farage offer is nothing but chaos and it is not difficult to see why. |
And I agree with you, and probably them. But those values you speak of have been destroyed by liberalism. Hence people, normal working people with old fashioned simple views, turning to the morons and despots you mention. | |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:40 - Jun 28 with 725 views | Guthrum |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 08:34 - Jun 28 by chicoazul |
"this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population"
Pretty much spot on there Vlad, and it's the Well Actually attitude towards people who don't enjoy seeing themselves called racists, seeing their communities destroyed, seeing the elite take 40% of the rise in income while they only get 10%, and see themselves marginalised ignored & berated, that has caused Trump Brexit "Boris" and the rise of the right across central Europe. People who think liberalism in the definition of globalism, egalitarianism and atheism is somehow going to either a) solve these problems and/or b) didnt help cause them in the first place are mad. |
Baby and bathwater. The idea that the way to combat inequality is to create different sorts of inequality. At best just shifts the resentment elsewhere, at worst achieves the opposite of what was hoped for. Lets politicians off the hook of actually trying to find proper solutions for the underlying issues.
Instead of forcing the wealth concentrators to pay a fair proportion towards improving the lives of the rest of the populace, they vote the monopolists and their mates into power, who then go on to create conditions which they can further exploit, with even fewer restraints.
Making life difficult for immigrants, gays, muslims, etc. will do nothing to bring back to the North East the jobs and prosperity they enjoyed 60 years ago.
What happened to the old idea (of the Reform movement, the Chartists, the early unions, the Suffragettes) that people should band together to improve society, rather than pushing the misery around like something nasty on your dinnerplate? |  |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:41 - Jun 28 with 717 views | WeWereZombies |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:32 - Jun 28 by chicoazul |
And I agree with you, and probably them. But those values you speak of have been destroyed by liberalism. Hence people, normal working people with old fashioned simple views, turning to the morons and despots you mention. |
How can values that liberalism helped to establish be destroyed by liberalism, which has been around in its modern form for over two hundred years? Are you confusing the broad idea of liberalism with the narrower phenomenon of multiculturalism, which has probably been around since before recorded history began? | |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:43 - Jun 28 with 710 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:40 - Jun 28 by Guthrum |
Baby and bathwater. The idea that the way to combat inequality is to create different sorts of inequality. At best just shifts the resentment elsewhere, at worst achieves the opposite of what was hoped for. Lets politicians off the hook of actually trying to find proper solutions for the underlying issues.
Instead of forcing the wealth concentrators to pay a fair proportion towards improving the lives of the rest of the populace, they vote the monopolists and their mates into power, who then go on to create conditions which they can further exploit, with even fewer restraints.
Making life difficult for immigrants, gays, muslims, etc. will do nothing to bring back to the North East the jobs and prosperity they enjoyed 60 years ago.
What happened to the old idea (of the Reform movement, the Chartists, the early unions, the Suffragettes) that people should band together to improve society, rather than pushing the misery around like something nasty on your dinnerplate? |
Very well said. |  |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:46 - Jun 28 with 710 views | Guthrum |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:32 - Jun 28 by chicoazul |
And I agree with you, and probably them. But those values you speak of have been destroyed by liberalism. Hence people, normal working people with old fashioned simple views, turning to the morons and despots you mention. |
It's economic liberalism which has destroyed them, not social liberalism. Deregulation and the "greed is good" accumulative generation are what has led to the inequalities in prosperity, not tolerance of minorities. | |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 09:50 - Jun 28 with 703 views | Swansea_Blue |
The DL is a cheeky scamp, so I wouldn't read anything into his comments about attractive women - the look on his face shows he was obviously joking or being self-deprecating. He's got a fair point about returning home, but it already happens here. We also have to place his comments into the context of the forced eviction and aggressive destruction of his own people's way of life. That's very different to what's happening in the EU.
FOM allows people to move and learn new skills, pass on their knowledge and skills to the host nation and then return home or go somewhere else and rinse and repeat, if that's what the individual wants. It's also the core principle of the EU's Erasmus Programme, which we may well be coming out of. And people do return home - I've been sad enough to look at the stats ( https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics/#create-gra Since 1991 over 2 million EU nationals have left the UK (3.7m arrived) - this is for those who have stayed longer than 1 year.
I'm not sure what Putin means. Liberals have had a resurgence here in the UK lately. And populism isn't sweeping Europe as predicted. The Danes have just voted in a socialist government, Erdogan's AK Party have just lost control of Istanbul to social democrats. The UK hasn't led the way in others wanting to leave the EU as predicted - Ireland's 'Irexit' movement achieved less than 1% support in their last elections. It's a mixed picture, but it's far from an unstoppable populist wave in support of authoritarian parties. Liberalism is far from obsolete. (but then he's just playing his usual chest-thumping games and trying to destabilise his perceived enemies, as usual). |  |
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| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 10:13 - Jun 28 with 670 views | StokieBlue |
| Dalai Lama, Morrissey, Putin - they're all wrong on 08:34 - Jun 28 by chicoazul |
"this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population"
Pretty much spot on there Vlad, and it's the Well Actually attitude towards people who don't enjoy seeing themselves called racists, seeing their communities destroyed, seeing the elite take 40% of the rise in income while they only get 10%, and see themselves marginalised ignored & berated, that has caused Trump Brexit "Boris" and the rise of the right across central Europe. People who think liberalism in the definition of globalism, egalitarianism and atheism is somehow going to either a) solve these problems and/or b) didnt help cause them in the first place are mad. |
Why did you crop the start of his quote?
"Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population."
The first part is simply untrue. He has a big problem letting people be happy who are outside his core group. I think it's disingenuous of you to clip that bit out when that's the bit that you should be discussing.
"seeing the elite take 40% of the rise in income while they only get 10%"
Russia, under "Vlad" as you seem to like to call him is a huge offender in this way. The rich really do get a lot richer and the poor get very little so it's odd to use that as a point in support of what he is saying.
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