| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? 08:34 - Mar 3 with 27139 views | christiand |
After reading the tragic story about the young Romford girl’s fatal stabbing followed by another teenager’s death in Manchester, just makes my blood boil. What are the feasible solutions? Something radical needs to be done in my opinion. What I don’t know?! It just appears you sadly read about this type of event most days now in this country. Just so little thought or value for someone else’s life. [Post edited 3 Mar 2019 8:38]
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:38 - Mar 3 with 5741 views | Mullet |
That lad just a few minutes drive from my house. Nice middle class area, lots of grammar schools, not far from millionaires row.
As cynical as it sounds, they might do something now it's in those areas with greater regularity.
We've had different incidents with knives, the latest this week. Each time the kid has to be excluded and is essentially out of education and on a spiral into crime which (usually) they are at risk of anyway.
Let alone when they use them like this. Knives are so normal now, I had one pulled on me nearly 15 years ago and it was rare then. I fear we are a hop skip and a jump from metal detectors on a public building. That's what America is seen to be doing and has done for years. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:41 - Mar 3 with 5744 views | Lord_Lucan |
Well we could either take a lilly livered approach and worry about upsetting the up-settables or we could crack right down and give instant custodials to people found with a knife on them.
The ineffective Mayor of London could maybe miss a few hob nobbing parties, stop worrying about banning all sorts of advertising on tubes and direct his attention to gang warfare. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:45 - Mar 3 with 5732 views | Mullet |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:41 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan |
Well we could either take a lilly livered approach and worry about upsetting the up-settables or we could crack right down and give instant custodials to people found with a knife on them.
The ineffective Mayor of London could maybe miss a few hob nobbing parties, stop worrying about banning all sorts of advertising on tubes and direct his attention to gang warfare. |
We need more money on it. Austerity is the cause of this and so many other social issues. It's no coincidence. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:46 - Mar 3 with 5726 views | Bluefish |
Increase stop and search and enforce mandatory custodial sentences for anyone carrying a knife. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:48 - Mar 3 with 5716 views | Dubtractor |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:45 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
We need more money on it. Austerity is the cause of this and so many other social issues. It's no coincidence. |
The big society nonsense from Cameron was a disgusting premise to start with, but it absolutely fails in areas like this. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:48 - Mar 3 with 5707 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:45 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
We need more money on it. Austerity is the cause of this and so many other social issues. It's no coincidence. |
Austerity is one issue for sure but certainly not the be all and end all. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:58 - Mar 3 with 5658 views | m14_blue |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:41 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan |
Well we could either take a lilly livered approach and worry about upsetting the up-settables or we could crack right down and give instant custodials to people found with a knife on them.
The ineffective Mayor of London could maybe miss a few hob nobbing parties, stop worrying about banning all sorts of advertising on tubes and direct his attention to gang warfare. |
If only it were that simple. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:01 - Mar 3 with 5656 views | Bluefish |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:45 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
We need more money on it. Austerity is the cause of this and so many other social issues. It's no coincidence. |
Austerity? You think kids don't copy gang culture and carry knives without austerity? A small percentage of them maybe wont join but it wont just disappear, it is a lifestyle choice. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:01 - Mar 3 with 5635 views | Benters2 |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:41 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan |
Well we could either take a lilly livered approach and worry about upsetting the up-settables or we could crack right down and give instant custodials to people found with a knife on them.
The ineffective Mayor of London could maybe miss a few hob nobbing parties, stop worrying about banning all sorts of advertising on tubes and direct his attention to gang warfare. |
This with bang the little fkrs up. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:04 - Mar 3 with 5643 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:58 - Mar 3 by m14_blue |
If only it were that simple. |
There are worse ways to start. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:08 - Mar 3 with 5635 views | Guthrum |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:41 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan |
Well we could either take a lilly livered approach and worry about upsetting the up-settables or we could crack right down and give instant custodials to people found with a knife on them.
The ineffective Mayor of London could maybe miss a few hob nobbing parties, stop worrying about banning all sorts of advertising on tubes and direct his attention to gang warfare. |
Perhaps banning music which glorifies and promotes the gangster lifestyle?
But the primary issue is economic. If you believe you're going to earn more in a week drug dealing than in a year of any legitimate job you're likely to have (if you can get one at all), then it's a no brainer. Especially under the pressures of consumerism, peer status and, effectively, grooming by older gang members. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:08 - Mar 3 with 5614 views | Benters2 |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:01 - Mar 3 by Benters2 |
This with bang the little fkrs up. |
Interesting downie from Herbi,I guess you think we should take the little fkrs on holiday or something.
That’s the liberal leftie way xx. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:15 - Mar 3 with 5602 views | Mullet |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:48 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan |
Austerity is one issue for sure but certainly not the be all and end all. |
It's the reason the rise is so pronounced. The reason that the culture has changed and become mainstream. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:16 - Mar 3 with 5604 views | Guthrum |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:08 - Mar 3 by Benters2 |
Interesting downie from Herbi,I guess you think we should take the little fkrs on holiday or something.
That’s the liberal leftie way xx. |
The problem with simply shoving everyone in jail, is what comes out the other end?
These gangs exist within the prison system, too, so they aren't weaned off them. Indeed, forced association with already hardened offenders is only likely to get them more skilled, connected and involved.
So you put juvenile delinquents in and get serious criminals (with few prospects for an honest future) out.
Much more effective - and, in the long run, cheaper - to deal with the situations and environments which cause these children to turn to crime in the first place. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:23 - Mar 3 with 5578 views | Durovigutum |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:08 - Mar 3 by Benters2 |
Interesting downie from Herbi,I guess you think we should take the little fkrs on holiday or something.
That’s the liberal leftie way xx. |
Problem is people are different, and therefore the isn't one silver bullet. Taking one on holiday might be great, broadens their mind and let's them see a world of opportunity beyond their little pocket of misery but another might see cause and effect of positive rewards for negative behaviour and carry out more mayhem. People need hope - look at us ITFC fans who think we can still stay up, as opposed to those of us who gave up after the Bristol City game. You don't get hope from austerity, youth club closures, football pitch sell offs, school clubs shutting for lack of funds just like you don't from signing a free transfer journeyman midfielder.
Prison? Some cons prefer it, someone else to look after your problems and some comradeship. Youth institutions are crime lesson factories as there are enough staff to do positive things.
But, all of these problems will go away after Brexit, as we'll have loads more money and our skilled politicians and civil service will have lots more time as we won't be dealing with EU red tape. |  | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:25 - Mar 3 with 5559 views | Herbivore |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:08 - Mar 3 by Benters2 |
Interesting downie from Herbi,I guess you think we should take the little fkrs on holiday or something.
That’s the liberal leftie way xx. |
The world is so simple and black and white to you. Bless. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:28 - Mar 3 with 5538 views | Benters2 |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:25 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
The world is so simple and black and white to you. Bless. |
Bore off numpty x. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:34 - Mar 3 with 5517 views | BloomBlue |
The cause is many things including lack of parental control and no role models. We now live in a country where people expect the authorises to be responsible for everything. |  | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:36 - Mar 3 with 5488 views | Benters2 |
19 knife killings this year so far. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:41 - Mar 3 with 5480 views | m14_blue |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:04 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan |
There are worse ways to start. |
Yep, don’t necessarily disagree with you.
It would require a huge injection of cash into the police, judicial and prison systems though, something which simply won’t happen with this government at the moment. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:47 - Mar 3 with 5451 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:15 - Mar 3 by Mullet |
It's the reason the rise is so pronounced. The reason that the culture has changed and become mainstream. |
That's not the be all and end all, to say that it is is barmy. The police have their hands tied, they are underfunded and are being crucified with bizarre politically swayed directives. These are the words of a prominent Ipswich copper. They also now have to deal with a huge mass of Eastern European and African gangs, you can be as pro immigration as you like but this is a fact. There are many many reasons why the problem has escalated and I agree that funds are a massive issue but you cannot ignore lenient sentencing - and as important the lack of resources in prison to turn lives around. Peer pressure, grooming, absent fathers who don't give a monkeys. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:54 - Mar 3 with 5411 views | Pendejo |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:08 - Mar 3 by Guthrum |
Perhaps banning music which glorifies and promotes the gangster lifestyle?
But the primary issue is economic. If you believe you're going to earn more in a week drug dealing than in a year of any legitimate job you're likely to have (if you can get one at all), then it's a no brainer. Especially under the pressures of consumerism, peer status and, effectively, grooming by older gang members. |
Can't ban, taking legal action if lyrics / content promote hate / violence may well reduce overt lyrical content.
The best way to negate the economic issue is... legalization [of drugs], remove the money making opportunity.
For those that scoff at this, and I have a good friend who'd be dead against it, in the last year the amount of times I smell the smoke from the weed products coming from other cars, people on the streets or even one of my neighbours' flats... seems like it's been unofficially legalised anyway.
Overall it must be taken seriously. There is NO excuse for carrying, do not allow "self defence" excuse and take strong action for possession, maybe even make possession an attempted murder charge [or some other wording that clearly shows it is viewed that the carrying of a knife is considered intent]. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:56 - Mar 3 with 5406 views | Pendejo |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:23 - Mar 3 by Durovigutum |
Problem is people are different, and therefore the isn't one silver bullet. Taking one on holiday might be great, broadens their mind and let's them see a world of opportunity beyond their little pocket of misery but another might see cause and effect of positive rewards for negative behaviour and carry out more mayhem. People need hope - look at us ITFC fans who think we can still stay up, as opposed to those of us who gave up after the Bristol City game. You don't get hope from austerity, youth club closures, football pitch sell offs, school clubs shutting for lack of funds just like you don't from signing a free transfer journeyman midfielder.
Prison? Some cons prefer it, someone else to look after your problems and some comradeship. Youth institutions are crime lesson factories as there are enough staff to do positive things.
But, all of these problems will go away after Brexit, as we'll have loads more money and our skilled politicians and civil service will have lots more time as we won't be dealing with EU red tape. |
Not quite holiday... but how about sending them to Africa etc. to work for charities on instead of local community service? | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:58 - Mar 3 with 5405 views | Radlett_blue |
Relative poverty, poor parenting and gang culture. Unfortunately, there are no simple answers to these problems. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:58 - Mar 3 with 5405 views | tractorboy1978 |
A lot of it is a status thing. Young men that have no aspirations, no identity, no role model and no hope turning to gangs to provide some purpose to their lives and a vehicle to achieve some status/power. | | | |
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