| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t 16:03 - Sep 28 with 20718 views | ElderGrizzly |
Interesting article. Tories got 50% of the "centrist" vote in the last election, while Labour got 26%.
The article goes on to show how Labour have no more votes to gain from his core base on the left, so to get into No.10 needs to win the middle ground. And he appears to be the Achilles heel to doing that.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/28/jeremy-corbyn-policies-you [Post edited 28 Sep 2017 16:18]
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters. But he still isn’ on 16:07 - Sep 28 with 7539 views | BergholtBru |
Something to do with the idiots who follow him about maybe? |  |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters. But he still isn’ on 16:13 - Sep 28 with 7529 views | BlueBadger |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters. But he still isn’ on 16:07 - Sep 28 by BergholtBru |
Something to do with the idiots who follow him about maybe? |
He's no Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, let's face it. [Post edited 28 Sep 2017 16:13]
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:24 - Sep 28 with 7492 views | azuremerlangus |
To quote Micky Flanagan from his gig last night "I'm voting for Jezza, but if he gets in I'm going off-shore" |  |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:38 - Sep 28 with 7449 views | lowhouseblue |
partly that reflects how the tories fought the 2017 election. they focused on competence and corbyn's lack of it. they didn't focus on economics (god knows why). the policies the article mentions are in essence economic, and they are things that the tories have traditionally been able to make centrist voters very worried about. the next election will be nothing like the last election. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:38 - Sep 28 by lowhouseblue |
partly that reflects how the tories fought the 2017 election. they focused on competence and corbyn's lack of it. they didn't focus on economics (god knows why). the policies the article mentions are in essence economic, and they are things that the tories have traditionally been able to make centrist voters very worried about. the next election will be nothing like the last election. |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:43 - Sep 28 with 7416 views | lowhouseblue |
you mean he didn't win in 2017?? jeez some one's going to have to break that to the labour party conference delegates. they're not going to take it well. | |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:44 - Sep 28 with 7418 views | Dolly2.0 |
It's those oh so reliable polls again! Yay! |  |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:45 - Sep 28 with 7414 views | ElderGrizzly |
It all depends when it is. I can't see it being within the next 2 years by which time the 'bounce' from Corbyn might have subsided. You can't keep on election footing forever.
The biggest risk (apart from the centrist issue), is he stands a good chance of losing a lot of "leave" votes given Labour's current stance on Brexit. 70% of Labour's constituencies voted to leave, so could turn on him if they don't get what they voted for. | | | |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:45 - Sep 28 with 7405 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:44 - Sep 28 by Dolly2.0 |
It's those oh so reliable polls again! Yay! |
The %'s quoted are actual results, not polls. Boooo! | | | |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:45 - Sep 28 by ElderGrizzly |
It all depends when it is. I can't see it being within the next 2 years by which time the 'bounce' from Corbyn might have subsided. You can't keep on election footing forever.
The biggest risk (apart from the centrist issue), is he stands a good chance of losing a lot of "leave" votes given Labour's current stance on Brexit. 70% of Labour's constituencies voted to leave, so could turn on him if they don't get what they voted for. |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:49 - Sep 28 with 7393 views | ElderGrizzly |
Well it has to be, as it's predicting what might happen :)
I can't see why the Tories would call an election they stand a good chance of losing?
I can see an election after 2019 EU leave date however. If it helps, that's what is being discussed within the senior Civil Service. [Post edited 28 Sep 2017 16:50]
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:49 - Sep 28 with 7389 views | hype313 |
Can't see it, the Tories know it would be suicidal if they did. |  |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:49 - Sep 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Well it has to be, as it's predicting what might happen :)
I can't see why the Tories would call an election they stand a good chance of losing?
I can see an election after 2019 EU leave date however. If it helps, that's what is being discussed within the senior Civil Service. [Post edited 28 Sep 2017 16:50]
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 17:02 - Sep 28 with 7356 views | StokieBlue |
You're a reasonable chap Libby, do you not question how they are going to pay for all the policies they have put forward? I've seen a lot of people say the conference was inspirational (I agree many policies sound nice) but none of them seem to question anything about the policies - it's worrying.
They haven't given any idea how they will pay for them and McDonnell is even looking into a run on the pound if they are implemented.
For instance, we can't afford at the moment to give free tuition to students, how on earth can they afford free tuition to everyone for life? That's just one of about 20 policies which require vast amounts of capital. What about the rent caps? They don't lower rent just cap the increases at inflation but that's not reported, all that is reported is that it's an amazing thing to cap rents - it's not lowering rents to make it more affordable.
Or do these things not matter? Anyone can promise the earth, whether they can deliver is what should be considered and investigated.
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 17:07 - Sep 28 with 7340 views | ElderGrizzly |
There is. They just don't tend to skin themselves | | | |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 17:30 - Sep 28 with 7280 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 16:45 - Sep 28 by ElderGrizzly |
The %'s quoted are actual results, not polls. Boooo! |
Polls are quoted throughout that article. Boooooooo! | |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 17:02 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
You're a reasonable chap Libby, do you not question how they are going to pay for all the policies they have put forward? I've seen a lot of people say the conference was inspirational (I agree many policies sound nice) but none of them seem to question anything about the policies - it's worrying.
They haven't given any idea how they will pay for them and McDonnell is even looking into a run on the pound if they are implemented.
For instance, we can't afford at the moment to give free tuition to students, how on earth can they afford free tuition to everyone for life? That's just one of about 20 policies which require vast amounts of capital. What about the rent caps? They don't lower rent just cap the increases at inflation but that's not reported, all that is reported is that it's an amazing thing to cap rents - it's not lowering rents to make it more affordable.
Or do these things not matter? Anyone can promise the earth, whether they can deliver is what should be considered and investigated.
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 18:21 - Sep 28 with 7195 views | jaykay |
well he must be doing something right as nearly every thread you start is about corbyn.
then the right wing section of this board come storming in.
me personally cant see anything wrong in having a proper left wing party and not tory lite in in opposition . |  |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 18:52 - Sep 28 with 7172 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
*We're the 5th richest country in the world and spend ridiculous amounts of money on nuclear arms*
No we aren't, we are ranked about 11th I believe and that is based on the capital value of land. We could of course sell all property and houses in the UK and go and live in tents on the Yorkshire Moors to fund these schemes if you like?
*we magicked up billions to save the banks*
which is the reaon for the growing national debt which is already stifling public spending
*we currently have a situation where we knowingly allow giant corporates to exploit tax loopholes*
Agree something needs doing about this but what? We could block services like amazon or google at the gateway and ban apple product, etc but not sure that pressure would have any effect other than we lose those providers.
*We've austserity for the best part of a decade and still the debt is growing while simultaneously the gap between the wealthy and the poor grows and grows and grows.*
see above
The good news is that there are still PLENTY of well paid jobs out there for those who are willing to work hard and develop a career. I agree there are issues for those who aren't capable of doing that and some money needs to be put into social housing but that's about it. Claiming that capitalism ha failed is moronic in the extreme. |  | | |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 18:52 - Sep 28 by FrowsyArmLarry |
*We're the 5th richest country in the world and spend ridiculous amounts of money on nuclear arms*
No we aren't, we are ranked about 11th I believe and that is based on the capital value of land. We could of course sell all property and houses in the UK and go and live in tents on the Yorkshire Moors to fund these schemes if you like?
*we magicked up billions to save the banks*
which is the reaon for the growing national debt which is already stifling public spending
*we currently have a situation where we knowingly allow giant corporates to exploit tax loopholes*
Agree something needs doing about this but what? We could block services like amazon or google at the gateway and ban apple product, etc but not sure that pressure would have any effect other than we lose those providers.
*We've austserity for the best part of a decade and still the debt is growing while simultaneously the gap between the wealthy and the poor grows and grows and grows.*
see above
The good news is that there are still PLENTY of well paid jobs out there for those who are willing to work hard and develop a career. I agree there are issues for those who aren't capable of doing that and some money needs to be put into social housing but that's about it. Claiming that capitalism ha failed is moronic in the extreme. |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 19:05 - Sep 28 with 7151 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
I wasn't calling you a moron, I was referring to Corbyn. However, I guess you are a moron for believing in his fairy stories and it's people like you who will destroy the economy for good if you vote him in. | | | |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 19:14 - Sep 28 with 7143 views | StokieBlue |
I'll get back to your post a bit later.
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 19:17 - Sep 28 with 7138 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 19:14 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
I'll get back to your post a bit later.
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You better agree with him or there'll be tears [Post edited 28 Sep 2017 19:19]
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 19:21 - Sep 28 with 7116 views | Dolly2.0 |
Fantastic post Libster. You've nailed my position also. I was just going to post "have you forgotten Theresa's magic money tree?" but that would've been rather glib next to your fulsome answer. | |
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| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 19:22 - Sep 28 with 7110 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters.But he still isn’t on 18:21 - Sep 28 by jaykay |
well he must be doing something right as nearly every thread you start is about corbyn.
then the right wing section of this board come storming in.
me personally cant see anything wrong in having a proper left wing party and not tory lite in in opposition . |
Well, quite. | |
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