| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:35 - Jul 31 with 3547 views | clive_baker |
Brexit isn't happening folks. There's no parliamentary majority for a no deal and there won't be a deal struck either. I'm not sure why they're bothering with the posturing to be honest. A 2nd ref. has never looked more likely IMO.
Let's just sack the whole waste of time and money off and invest in our public services and initiatives here. |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:44 - Jul 31 with 3515 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:35 - Jul 31 by clive_baker |
Brexit isn't happening folks. There's no parliamentary majority for a no deal and there won't be a deal struck either. I'm not sure why they're bothering with the posturing to be honest. A 2nd ref. has never looked more likely IMO.
Let's just sack the whole waste of time and money off and invest in our public services and initiatives here. |
There’s also no parliamentary majority for a second referendum. The difference between a second referendum and no deal is that one requires a vote and the other requires doing nothing as it’s the default position. [Post edited 31 Jul 2019 9:45]
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:49 - Jul 31 with 3485 views | clive_baker |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:44 - Jul 31 by GlasgowBlue |
There’s also no parliamentary majority for a second referendum. The difference between a second referendum and no deal is that one requires a vote and the other requires doing nothing as it’s the default position. [Post edited 31 Jul 2019 9:45]
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It's the default, but if a majority of MP's oppose as they did in March (and will again), then it'll be blocked. Let's be honest, it's what Boris wants so he can call an election and be the Brexit hero. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:28 - Jul 31 with 3423 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:49 - Jul 31 by clive_baker |
It's the default, but if a majority of MP's oppose as they did in March (and will again), then it'll be blocked. Let's be honest, it's what Boris wants so he can call an election and be the Brexit hero. |
A GE seems the likely outcome.
The second referendum is dead. No one speaks about it anymore. The Tories dare not vote for it and there are about 50 Labour MPs from leave constituencies who are dead set against it for obvious reasons. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:29 - Jul 31 with 3418 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:28 - Jul 31 by GlasgowBlue |
A GE seems the likely outcome.
The second referendum is dead. No one speaks about it anymore. The Tories dare not vote for it and there are about 50 Labour MPs from leave constituencies who are dead set against it for obvious reasons. |
Is it dead? Labour seemed to make it policy a few weeks ago, in the absence of a GE? |  | | |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:30 - Jul 31 with 3416 views | Swansea_Blue |
It's almost as if this is quite a complicated issue with lots of interconnections and potentially contradictory requirements, isn't it? Who'd have thunk it? |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:32 - Jul 31 with 3405 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:28 - Jul 31 by GlasgowBlue |
A GE seems the likely outcome.
The second referendum is dead. No one speaks about it anymore. The Tories dare not vote for it and there are about 50 Labour MPs from leave constituencies who are dead set against it for obvious reasons. |
There are at least 100 MP's uncomfortable about a quick general election for fear of deselection. |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:35 - Jul 31 with 3396 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
People seem to forget that the Irish problem (which can only be resolved by staying in the customs union) is terrorism that has historically been bank rolled by the US. |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:41 - Jul 31 with 3380 views | factual_blue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:30 - Jul 31 by Swansea_Blue |
It's almost as if this is quite a complicated issue with lots of interconnections and potentially contradictory requirements, isn't it? Who'd have thunk it? |
All this comes about because no tory government has ever had the collective intellectual capability to deal with anything complex, other by resorting to violence. |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 11:31 - Jul 31 with 3313 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:28 - Jul 31 by GlasgowBlue |
A GE seems the likely outcome.
The second referendum is dead. No one speaks about it anymore. The Tories dare not vote for it and there are about 50 Labour MPs from leave constituencies who are dead set against it for obvious reasons. |
Not sure how a GE would solve anything either. I can't see it changing the status quo to much in the HoC from what it is now, so no-deal will still be a no goer, there won't be a majority to revoke, no second ref.
I think we're a bit stuck! | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 11:32 - Jul 31 with 3311 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 10:41 - Jul 31 by factual_blue |
All this comes about because no tory government has ever had the collective intellectual capability to deal with anything complex, other by resorting to violence. |
And Labour have now followed this internal split model, just to compound the insanity.
We need a revolution. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 11:33 - Jul 31 with 3298 views | itfcjoe |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 11:32 - Jul 31 by Swansea_Blue |
And Labour have now followed this internal split model, just to compound the insanity.
We need a revolution. |
Maybe this is the revolution? |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:10 - Jul 31 with 3233 views | Moriarty |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 11:32 - Jul 31 by Swansea_Blue |
And Labour have now followed this internal split model, just to compound the insanity.
We need a revolution. |
Boris is too flexible for revolution. He did after all vote both for and against Theresa May’s deal. |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:18 - Jul 31 with 3207 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:35 - Jul 31 by clive_baker |
Brexit isn't happening folks. There's no parliamentary majority for a no deal and there won't be a deal struck either. I'm not sure why they're bothering with the posturing to be honest. A 2nd ref. has never looked more likely IMO.
Let's just sack the whole waste of time and money off and invest in our public services and initiatives here. |
It's embedded in British law that we will leave on 31st Oct. The only way to stop this is for parliament to introduce and pass a new bill.
We will leave the EU come whatever. You may not like it but democracy has to prevail. Ths Brexit genie is out of the bottle and it isn't going back.
Isn't a democratic country a beautiful thing? |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:32 - Jul 31 with 3184 views | hampstead_blue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 09:35 - Jul 31 by clive_baker |
Brexit isn't happening folks. There's no parliamentary majority for a no deal and there won't be a deal struck either. I'm not sure why they're bothering with the posturing to be honest. A 2nd ref. has never looked more likely IMO.
Let's just sack the whole waste of time and money off and invest in our public services and initiatives here. |
Ok.
I've spotted a small flaw in your plan.......the referendum result.
MP's who chose to behave like arrogant prigs and ignore the result should walk the plank..... |  |
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Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:37 - Jul 31 with 3165 views | Darth_Koont |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:32 - Jul 31 by hampstead_blue |
Ok.
I've spotted a small flaw in your plan.......the referendum result.
MP's who chose to behave like arrogant prigs and ignore the result should walk the plank..... |
They didn't ignore the result. There was an overwhelming majority in parliament to trigger Article 50.
But the facts that have come out over the last three years, and what we're looking at now, no longer tally with the referendum result. People weren't voting for anything like this.
People who ignore that aspect are committing treason to reason which is an even bigger "crime". |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:45 - Jul 31 with 3137 views | Moriarty |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:37 - Jul 31 by Darth_Koont |
They didn't ignore the result. There was an overwhelming majority in parliament to trigger Article 50.
But the facts that have come out over the last three years, and what we're looking at now, no longer tally with the referendum result. People weren't voting for anything like this.
People who ignore that aspect are committing treason to reason which is an even bigger "crime". |
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/news/deep-concern-among-exporters-over-sterling-
Britain didn’t vote for economic suicide.
There’s a very strong case for a second referendum. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:49 - Jul 31 with 3122 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:18 - Jul 31 by The_Last_Baron |
It's embedded in British law that we will leave on 31st Oct. The only way to stop this is for parliament to introduce and pass a new bill.
We will leave the EU come whatever. You may not like it but democracy has to prevail. Ths Brexit genie is out of the bottle and it isn't going back.
Isn't a democratic country a beautiful thing? |
Democracy will prevail. Parliament will rule. Boris cannot and will not even try to prorogue. Therefore, we will not leave on 31st October.
What magic answers will Boris have that May didn't? | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:52 - Jul 31 with 3110 views | clive_baker |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:32 - Jul 31 by hampstead_blue |
Ok.
I've spotted a small flaw in your plan.......the referendum result.
MP's who chose to behave like arrogant prigs and ignore the result should walk the plank..... |
I didn't see no deal on the ballot paper. 3 years is a long time and my memory isn't the best but I seem to recall people voting on the promise of amazing deals and lucrative trade deals with the rest of the world. Now that's proved to be utter BS, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest no deal is what the people voted for. A 2nd referendum feels like the only solution, and if it is what people want then the result will reflect that. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:05 - Jul 31 with 3058 views | hampstead_blue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:52 - Jul 31 by clive_baker |
I didn't see no deal on the ballot paper. 3 years is a long time and my memory isn't the best but I seem to recall people voting on the promise of amazing deals and lucrative trade deals with the rest of the world. Now that's proved to be utter BS, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest no deal is what the people voted for. A 2nd referendum feels like the only solution, and if it is what people want then the result will reflect that. |
No Deal was on the ballot.
It's a consequence of 'Leave'.
I also do not recall an option asking; "We will ignore the result until remainers are happy"
I think there will be a deal. If not when we leave but very shortly after.
The 'deal' May botched is only a transition deal. The real deal is done after that.
If we leave without a transition deal then the EU will be very keen to get a permanent deal quickly, as will we.
At some point those who want to remain will just have to accept it.
Look, I want a deal with the EU which will be close and lucrative. Why not start campaigning for a 'close' permanent deal. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:14 - Jul 31 with 3025 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:05 - Jul 31 by hampstead_blue |
No Deal was on the ballot.
It's a consequence of 'Leave'.
I also do not recall an option asking; "We will ignore the result until remainers are happy"
I think there will be a deal. If not when we leave but very shortly after.
The 'deal' May botched is only a transition deal. The real deal is done after that.
If we leave without a transition deal then the EU will be very keen to get a permanent deal quickly, as will we.
At some point those who want to remain will just have to accept it.
Look, I want a deal with the EU which will be close and lucrative. Why not start campaigning for a 'close' permanent deal. |
Will that deal involve remaining in the customs union?
If not, how do you resolve the Irish border without terrorism or is that the price worth paying on top of economic disaster? | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:17 - Jul 31 with 3008 views | clive_baker |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:05 - Jul 31 by hampstead_blue |
No Deal was on the ballot.
It's a consequence of 'Leave'.
I also do not recall an option asking; "We will ignore the result until remainers are happy"
I think there will be a deal. If not when we leave but very shortly after.
The 'deal' May botched is only a transition deal. The real deal is done after that.
If we leave without a transition deal then the EU will be very keen to get a permanent deal quickly, as will we.
At some point those who want to remain will just have to accept it.
Look, I want a deal with the EU which will be close and lucrative. Why not start campaigning for a 'close' permanent deal. |
I'm sorry but that's a nonsense. Nobody knows the answer but my instinct is if the ballot paper was as black and white as no deal and remain the result would've been quite different.
Listen, I voted remain but I've got a lot of sympathy for those that want to disentangle themselves from a power hierarchy that's increasingly detached from those who it purports to represent. I'm far from pro EU, but I do not believe this is what people voted for. The obvious solution to this stalemate is surely to put it back to the people. As I said, if no-deal is their wish then fine, but I think sleep walking into an economic car crash is a stupid thing to do. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:21 - Jul 31 with 2986 views | Herbivore |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:05 - Jul 31 by hampstead_blue |
No Deal was on the ballot.
It's a consequence of 'Leave'.
I also do not recall an option asking; "We will ignore the result until remainers are happy"
I think there will be a deal. If not when we leave but very shortly after.
The 'deal' May botched is only a transition deal. The real deal is done after that.
If we leave without a transition deal then the EU will be very keen to get a permanent deal quickly, as will we.
At some point those who want to remain will just have to accept it.
Look, I want a deal with the EU which will be close and lucrative. Why not start campaigning for a 'close' permanent deal. |
Dominic Raab was caught out perpetuating the lie you've begun your post with. Nobody is swallowing that. There is copious evidence that the referendum campaign was won on promises of comprehensive free trade agreements that would be at least as good as what we already had as members. Many even spoke about full single market access. Nobody was talking seriously about leaving with no deal in place. |  |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:25 - Jul 31 with 2964 views | Darth_Koont |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:17 - Jul 31 by clive_baker |
I'm sorry but that's a nonsense. Nobody knows the answer but my instinct is if the ballot paper was as black and white as no deal and remain the result would've been quite different.
Listen, I voted remain but I've got a lot of sympathy for those that want to disentangle themselves from a power hierarchy that's increasingly detached from those who it purports to represent. I'm far from pro EU, but I do not believe this is what people voted for. The obvious solution to this stalemate is surely to put it back to the people. As I said, if no-deal is their wish then fine, but I think sleep walking into an economic car crash is a stupid thing to do. |
Well said.
But we're arguing with people who said May's deal wasn't what people voted for in the referendum when it suited them.
They can accept that (and I think they're right that a lot of Leavers didn't want a Norway-style deal) but then they'd also need to accept that a lot of Leavers didn't vote No Deal. | |
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| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 13:41 - Jul 31 with 2906 views | SpruceMoose |
| Another day, another nail in Boris Johnson’s Brexit Coffin on 12:18 - Jul 31 by The_Last_Baron |
It's embedded in British law that we will leave on 31st Oct. The only way to stop this is for parliament to introduce and pass a new bill.
We will leave the EU come whatever. You may not like it but democracy has to prevail. Ths Brexit genie is out of the bottle and it isn't going back.
Isn't a democratic country a beautiful thing? |
How about a little charity bet? I reckon we will still be in the EU come November 1st.
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