| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London 09:04 - Apr 21 with 17577 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:22 - Apr 21 with 1112 views | ChorleyBoy |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:04 - Apr 21 by giant_stow |
The marches only function seems to be to make the marchers feel like they're doing something / feel better about themselves. They've had zero affect on Israeli or UK govt policy. If the policr are now admitting that it's dangerous for openly Jewish people (who aren't part of the match) then maybe it's time to think of other ways to make the marchers feel better about themselves? |
Protest marches can equally be a largely pointless exercise or give those in power a serious wake-up call. A bit like voting. |  | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:29 - Apr 21 with 1068 views | eireblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:21 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Where have I suggested they do? |
If I had thought you had suggested that, I would ask you the question why did you suggest that.
I asked you a different question, which you didn’t answer.
So can I take it you agree that calling people Nazi, scum, and threatening to stalk someone are all actions that are not part of helping children in Gaza? |  | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:32 - Apr 21 with 1047 views | leitrimblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:21 - Apr 21 by Ryorry |
Any chance of you answering the point in my 11.44 am post on page 2 -
“Seriously - even if he did try to cross multiple times, why on earth should that be a problem for an alleged *peace* march which included *Jewish* protesters against *Israel*? The guy trying to cross is just Jewish, not Israeli for heaven’s sake.” |
No disrespect Ryorry but I'm genuinely surprised people are pretending this individual was just minding his own business and didn't deliberately seek out to troll an anti genocide march
I'm not sure why anybody would be against a march against genocide?
If he didn't go there with the plan to deliberately antagonise anti genocide protesters then you would have a good point. But as that was his only intention. Well, that and to drum up support for his counter protest |  | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:37 - Apr 21 with 1021 views | ChorleyBoy |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:19 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
"Unfortunately, that is the nature of any large group of people who are passionate about a cause."
in other situations action is taken against people who act in that way even if they are a minority within a large group. we don't shrug our shoulders and look the other way when there's racist or homophobic chanting within a football crowd. why do the met not take action against the anti-semitic elements within these protests (as even evidenced by the shouts on the video). why do they tolerate london streets being unsafe for jewish londoners when we don't turn a blind eye to similar abuse in a football crowd? [Post edited 21 Apr 13:21]
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Again, a good point. Perhaps the police's inaction has something to do with resources. I have a Russian friend (not London-based) who felt the same dangers to her personal safety in the early days of the Russia/Ukraine conflict - she said it was common among her Russian friends and neighbours too. She knew of other Russians who didn't face any animosity or hate in nearby towns but they pretended they were Ukrainians. My friend has lost a lot of friends and she and her family keep a very low profile. As good as our society is, it doesn't (or perhaps can't) always protect the innocent from racial hatred. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:38 - Apr 21 with 1016 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:29 - Apr 21 by eireblue |
If I had thought you had suggested that, I would ask you the question why did you suggest that.
I asked you a different question, which you didn’t answer.
So can I take it you agree that calling people Nazi, scum, and threatening to stalk someone are all actions that are not part of helping children in Gaza? |
You can take it.
Now my go....do you think an anti Israel march might better describe a pro Hamas march rather than people expressing outrage at what is happening in Gaza? |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:38 - Apr 21 with 1019 views | Ryorry |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:32 - Apr 21 by leitrimblue |
No disrespect Ryorry but I'm genuinely surprised people are pretending this individual was just minding his own business and didn't deliberately seek out to troll an anti genocide march
I'm not sure why anybody would be against a march against genocide?
If he didn't go there with the plan to deliberately antagonise anti genocide protesters then you would have a good point. But as that was his only intention. Well, that and to drum up support for his counter protest |
You still haven’t answered my point - or indeed Lowhouse’s excellent one about Rosa Parks. Are you seriously saying you wouldn’t have supported her action? |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:41 - Apr 21 with 998 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:32 - Apr 21 by leitrimblue |
No disrespect Ryorry but I'm genuinely surprised people are pretending this individual was just minding his own business and didn't deliberately seek out to troll an anti genocide march
I'm not sure why anybody would be against a march against genocide?
If he didn't go there with the plan to deliberately antagonise anti genocide protesters then you would have a good point. But as that was his only intention. Well, that and to drum up support for his counter protest |
My guess is he would be there to highlight any instances of antisemitism and make the absolute most of any instances he might chance upon.
Edit....but no he was just out worshipping apparently. [Post edited 21 Apr 13:43]
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:44 - Apr 21 with 985 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:21 - Apr 21 by Ryorry |
Any chance of you answering the point in my 11.44 am post on page 2 -
“Seriously - even if he did try to cross multiple times, why on earth should that be a problem for an alleged *peace* march which included *Jewish* protesters against *Israel*? The guy trying to cross is just Jewish, not Israeli for heaven’s sake.” |
Are you suggesting that if he was Israeli he would be fair game Ryorry? | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:47 - Apr 21 with 979 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:20 - Apr 21 by leitrimblue |
So your sticking to the line he never knew the protest was on and he accidentally bumped into an anti genocide protest? 
Feck me; I'm pretty sure you are far from that niave. |
Can you link me to any footage where he was engaged in a counter protest?
You made the claim three times that he was there as part of a counter protest. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:49 - Apr 21 with 969 views | Ryorry |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:41 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
My guess is he would be there to highlight any instances of antisemitism and make the absolute most of any instances he might chance upon.
Edit....but no he was just out worshipping apparently. [Post edited 21 Apr 13:43]
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I’m genuinely gobsmacked at the amount of wriggling you and another avowed socialist are engaging in, in order to avoid supporting an oppressed minority group and support a large group openly shouting racist abuse at them.
Can only assume it’s political and entrenched. What a shame. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:50 - Apr 21 with 956 views | leitrimblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:38 - Apr 21 by Ryorry |
You still haven’t answered my point - or indeed Lowhouse’s excellent one about Rosa Parks. Are you seriously saying you wouldn’t have supported her action? |
I'm pretty sure Rosa Parkes would be protesting against genocide not baiting people protesting against it.
Sorry, yer gonna have to wait for a work day if you wanna more detailed reply. Rare enough the sun is shining here.. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:54 - Apr 21 with 932 views | eireblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:38 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You can take it.
Now my go....do you think an anti Israel march might better describe a pro Hamas march rather than people expressing outrage at what is happening in Gaza? |
The march, and many others are directed at the actions of Israel. Even by the people organising the protest. Even discussions on here talk about being against the actions of Isreal. So yes seems reasonable to call it an anti-Isreal march, because that is what it was.
So back to my questions, the people acting in a threatening way, and the Met police officer, were their actions informed by the profession of the gentlemen, the social media posting history, frequency of road crossing, or how he described the march post the incident.
Or were they informed by his obvious “Jewishness”.
Why are you trying to find fault with the person that is told he can’t be protected by the police, because he is obviously Jewish. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:56 - Apr 21 with 927 views | Ryorry |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:50 - Apr 21 by leitrimblue |
I'm pretty sure Rosa Parkes would be protesting against genocide not baiting people protesting against it.
Sorry, yer gonna have to wait for a work day if you wanna more detailed reply. Rare enough the sun is shining here.. |
The principle is the same re exercising individuals’ freedom to protest and use public spaces though.
I too am getting off the sofa and into the sun! [Post edited 21 Apr 14:25]
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:56 - Apr 21 with 919 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:49 - Apr 21 by Ryorry |
I’m genuinely gobsmacked at the amount of wriggling you and another avowed socialist are engaging in, in order to avoid supporting an oppressed minority group and support a large group openly shouting racist abuse at them.
Can only assume it’s political and entrenched. What a shame. |
You're literally inventing stuff here Ryorry. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:04 - Apr 21 with 891 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:54 - Apr 21 by eireblue |
The march, and many others are directed at the actions of Israel. Even by the people organising the protest. Even discussions on here talk about being against the actions of Isreal. So yes seems reasonable to call it an anti-Isreal march, because that is what it was.
So back to my questions, the people acting in a threatening way, and the Met police officer, were their actions informed by the profession of the gentlemen, the social media posting history, frequency of road crossing, or how he described the march post the incident.
Or were they informed by his obvious “Jewishness”.
Why are you trying to find fault with the person that is told he can’t be protected by the police, because he is obviously Jewish. |
Calling it an anti Israel march is not accurate.
We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement. Some of the words used are inexcusable in any circumstances. However it may be fair to assume that if you saw an openly Jewish man in confrontation with the police in these circumstances that he might have been inappropriately baiting people on he march and you might get quite shouty towards him. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:11 - Apr 21 with 865 views | Zapers |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:49 - Apr 21 by Ryorry |
I’m genuinely gobsmacked at the amount of wriggling you and another avowed socialist are engaging in, in order to avoid supporting an oppressed minority group and support a large group openly shouting racist abuse at them.
Can only assume it’s political and entrenched. What a shame. |
I admire you Ryorry, and a few others. I don't have the patience to deal with the level of denial and political posturing by a couple of posters on here.
You could waste hours debating with people like this, and end up going insane.
Not worth it, leave them to their echo chamber |  | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:12 - Apr 21 with 857 views | eireblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:04 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Calling it an anti Israel march is not accurate.
We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement. Some of the words used are inexcusable in any circumstances. However it may be fair to assume that if you saw an openly Jewish man in confrontation with the police in these circumstances that he might have been inappropriately baiting people on he march and you might get quite shouty towards him. |
“ We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement.”
Banksy then goes on to form a judgement, that excuses some, and blames the Jewish man being threatened.
I think I will leave it there. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:16 - Apr 21 with 845 views | ChorleyBoy |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:54 - Apr 21 by eireblue |
The march, and many others are directed at the actions of Israel. Even by the people organising the protest. Even discussions on here talk about being against the actions of Isreal. So yes seems reasonable to call it an anti-Isreal march, because that is what it was.
So back to my questions, the people acting in a threatening way, and the Met police officer, were their actions informed by the profession of the gentlemen, the social media posting history, frequency of road crossing, or how he described the march post the incident.
Or were they informed by his obvious “Jewishness”.
Why are you trying to find fault with the person that is told he can’t be protected by the police, because he is obviously Jewish. |
No, it's an anti genocide march.
An "anti Israel" march carries the implication that they were protesting against the existence of the state itself.
If they were against the state of Israel in such large numbers, it would fall into "wipe Israel off the map" territory and rightly not be allowed to take place.
I think it's pretty clear the march was against the current actions of the democratically elected Israeli government and/or our democratically elected government's support of Israel at the moment which is resulting in more innocent deaths. [Post edited 21 Apr 19:52]
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:27 - Apr 21 with 818 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:04 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Calling it an anti Israel march is not accurate.
We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement. Some of the words used are inexcusable in any circumstances. However it may be fair to assume that if you saw an openly Jewish man in confrontation with the police in these circumstances that he might have been inappropriately baiting people on he march and you might get quite shouty towards him. |
Not sure how many conspiracy theories one poster can create.
The marches have changed their titles often since Oct 7. But the general celebrations/protests have all been anti-Israel and in some cases anti-Jewish.
I wonder if BDS or LB would argue the same argument if the marchers were "Free the hostages' or the singular other threatened with arrest was a black woman with a Palestinian t-shirt on? Would they say she was asking for it?
If these poster's agenda is not sinister it is in the least offensive and one-eyed.it is designed to wound not help or have empathy ( That empathy that they seem to falsely claim to have in buckets for those they deem needy enough- but not the others) |  | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:30 - Apr 21 with 798 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:04 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Calling it an anti Israel march is not accurate.
We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement. Some of the words used are inexcusable in any circumstances. However it may be fair to assume that if you saw an openly Jewish man in confrontation with the police in these circumstances that he might have been inappropriately baiting people on he march and you might get quite shouty towards him. |
Since when have you thought those in positions of power (police) must be exercising their power appropriately, because they are in a position of power?
We should assume someone is acting inappropriately because they are an "openly Jewish man"?
Dressing your statement up with softeners like "may be fair", "might have been", and "might get" makes your statement worse, not better, as it suggests you know and are hiding the core judgement. |  |
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| Goodness me (and someone upvoted this?) (n/t) on 14:36 - Apr 21 with 761 views | Bloots |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:04 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Calling it an anti Israel march is not accurate.
We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement. Some of the words used are inexcusable in any circumstances. However it may be fair to assume that if you saw an openly Jewish man in confrontation with the police in these circumstances that he might have been inappropriately baiting people on he march and you might get quite shouty towards him. |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 15:01 - Apr 21 with 686 views | lowhouseblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:37 - Apr 21 by ChorleyBoy |
Again, a good point. Perhaps the police's inaction has something to do with resources. I have a Russian friend (not London-based) who felt the same dangers to her personal safety in the early days of the Russia/Ukraine conflict - she said it was common among her Russian friends and neighbours too. She knew of other Russians who didn't face any animosity or hate in nearby towns but they pretended they were Ukrainians. My friend has lost a lot of friends and she and her family keep a very low profile. As good as our society is, it doesn't (or perhaps can't) always protect the innocent from racial hatred. |
how would you feel about telling black or gay football fans not to go to certain games because their presence would provoke / antagonise the minority of bigots in the crowd - who we know are there but we're not going to do anything about? and if they do turn up tell them that they've only done so to deliberately provoke those bigots so they really deserve what they get. |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:18 - Apr 21 with 587 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 10:58 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
he was trying to cross the road. that's an innocent act and a legal act - in all honesty i don't know why he was crossing the road. there was no counter demonstration.
so tell me, why do you think a london jew crossing the road during a peace march supporting palestinians is provocative? why do the marchers have cause to react agaunst someone wearing a kippah? i've asked several times but you haven't explained. |
Not sure it was quite as portrayed (and there was a counter-demonstration).
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:26 - Apr 21 with 565 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:41 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
My guess is he would be there to highlight any instances of antisemitism and make the absolute most of any instances he might chance upon.
Edit....but no he was just out worshipping apparently. [Post edited 21 Apr 13:43]
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Why attack or smear the victim again?
Gideon was elected Chairman of Campaign Against Antisemitism in autumn 2014, a duty which he performs as a volunteer. He has spoken at the House of Commons and given evidence to Parliament. . The Algemeiner awarded him as one of the “top 100 people positively influencing Jewish life”, and the Simon Wiesenthal Center hailed him as a “Jewish hero who proves that there are still powerful ways to leverage democratic rules to serve justice and protect Jewish community”. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:34 - Apr 21 with 531 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:18 - Apr 21 by Clapham_Junction |
Not sure it was quite as portrayed (and there was a counter-demonstration).
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APRIL 13 ????
That wasn't about this story (OP), was it? Why would you mix stories? For what purpose? [Post edited 21 Apr 16:37]
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