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Bye bye Gibraltar 13:10 - Feb 1 with 1872 viewsElderGrizzly

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-s

Its almost like being outside of the EU looking in puts us at a disadvantage...
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Bye bye Gibraltar on 13:11 - Feb 1 with 1852 viewsfooters

Finally, one positive from Brexit.

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 13:39 - Feb 1 with 1751 viewsmanchego

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-pointless-masochistic-am

this is fairly sobering - especially the bit about negotiating with the USA
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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:01 - Feb 1 with 1692 viewsblueconscience

Of course the EU will Back Spain, it will mean more territory for them to rule over. Doesn’t mean we will give in to their wants though.
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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:07 - Feb 1 with 1659 viewsPinewoodblue

No deal Brexit it is then. Spain will veto any trade deal that includes Gibraltar, France will veto any trade deal unless their demands are are met on fishing rights for French fishermen.


Both predictable from day one.

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:08 - Feb 1 with 1647 viewsGuthrum

Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:01 - Feb 1 by blueconscience

Of course the EU will Back Spain, it will mean more territory for them to rule over. Doesn’t mean we will give in to their wants though.
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Do we want a favourable trade deal or not? Spain has a veto on what's decided. Plus they can make the situation in Gib untenable by restricting/closing the border.

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:36 - Feb 1 with 1532 viewsElephantintheRoom

As I recall they did vote to remain in the EU by a substantial majority

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:42 - Feb 1 with 1504 viewsmidastouch

Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:08 - Feb 1 by Guthrum

Do we want a favourable trade deal or not? Spain has a veto on what's decided. Plus they can make the situation in Gib untenable by restricting/closing the border.


In regard to wanting a favourable trade deal or not, this is worth a watch or listen.
(watch)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csy94j (listen)
I listened to it at about 7.30am on BBC Sounds, I really should get out more!

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:42 - Feb 1 with 1503 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:01 - Feb 1 by blueconscience

Of course the EU will Back Spain, it will mean more territory for them to rule over. Doesn’t mean we will give in to their wants though.
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"rule over" and thereby your total misunderstanding of the EU summed up in one phrase.

They would back Spain as a member over an independent UK. Is that a surprise to anyone. Gibraltar voted something like 99% remain (why not 100% amazes me). The vast majority of residents rely on frictionless movement and trade with the EU. The margin of support for them rejoining the EU by leaving the UK would be far greater then for Scotland or Wales.

If you think Johnson will fight to keep Gibraltar by bargaining away some more money/rights then why do you believe we will be anything other than far, far, far worse off out of the EU. But then leavers don't really think these things through do they?

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:59 - Feb 1 with 1438 viewsRadlett_blue

Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:07 - Feb 1 by Pinewoodblue

No deal Brexit it is then. Spain will veto any trade deal that includes Gibraltar, France will veto any trade deal unless their demands are are met on fishing rights for French fishermen.


Both predictable from day one.


This system, where one of 28 nations can veto a deal so that they can try to get one thing beneficial to them and them alone, shows how nonsensical the way the EU is run.

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 15:05 - Feb 1 with 1414 viewsblueconscience

Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:42 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue

"rule over" and thereby your total misunderstanding of the EU summed up in one phrase.

They would back Spain as a member over an independent UK. Is that a surprise to anyone. Gibraltar voted something like 99% remain (why not 100% amazes me). The vast majority of residents rely on frictionless movement and trade with the EU. The margin of support for them rejoining the EU by leaving the UK would be far greater then for Scotland or Wales.

If you think Johnson will fight to keep Gibraltar by bargaining away some more money/rights then why do you believe we will be anything other than far, far, far worse off out of the EU. But then leavers don't really think these things through do they?


If only you were right with that first sentence, 92.4% of sentences containing EU was about a new rule/regulation that all countries must follow.
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Bye bye Gibraltar on 15:18 - Feb 1 with 1368 viewsSwansea_Blue

Bye bye Gibraltar on 14:08 - Feb 1 by Guthrum

Do we want a favourable trade deal or not? Spain has a veto on what's decided. Plus they can make the situation in Gib untenable by restricting/closing the border.


It’s fine Guthers. Boris will ride in on his British bulldog and tell them where to go, now we’re Great Again.

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 15:19 - Feb 1 with 1366 viewsElephantintheRoom

The tax dodgers of Gibralter are not the only part of our mighty empire that are looking at Brexit without much enthusiasm. Anguilla memorably put in a far more reasoned and rational response to the referendum than anything managed by Britain. They may want to keep their EU status by becoming long-distance Frenchies - like their next door neighbours..

Rather more worrying for tub-thumpers, the falkland islands is highly dependent on the EU now that a windswept island of sheep botherers are wealthy fisherfolk denuding the oceans of squid for all those expats eating tapas. That could be an interesting one.

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Bye bye Gibraltar on 15:44 - Feb 1 with 1272 viewsStokieBlue

To be fair, the Spanish position is ridiculously hypocritical whilst they refuse to return their two African enclaves to Morocco.

Balance is key.

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