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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties 09:13 - Jan 15 with 2025 viewsGeoffSentence

We have been awarded exactly as many penalties as we have conceded this season so far. But, and I acknowledge that this may simply be normal fan bias, I have this feeling that we have suffered a bit with stonewall penalties not being given for us (Wycombe definitely, last night I hear), whereas some of the penalties given against us have been soft or plain wrong (Wycombe again).

Am I right or just looking at it through blue tinted glasses?
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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:18 - Jan 15 with 1471 viewsHerbivore

Pretty sure we had an away game where two clear pens weren't given. Fleetwood maybe?

It's definitely been an issue. The Blackpool penalty against us was as clear a dive as you'll see and the ref gave it. We've had very obvious fouls just ignored.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:20 - Jan 15 with 1462 viewsChrisd

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:18 - Jan 15 by Herbivore

Pretty sure we had an away game where two clear pens weren't given. Fleetwood maybe?

It's definitely been an issue. The Blackpool penalty against us was as clear a dive as you'll see and the ref gave it. We've had very obvious fouls just ignored.


If that was a dive, then Norwood’s effort last night was just as good, but without the same result.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:22 - Jan 15 with 1461 viewsGuthrum

The Ref last night wasn't keen on giving penalties at all. Two good shouts for us and one for them all ignored. Mind you, he also mostly kept his cards in his pocket, too.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:23 - Jan 15 with 1458 viewsHerbivore

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:20 - Jan 15 by Chrisd

If that was a dive, then Norwood’s effort last night was just as good, but without the same result.


Disagree.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:25 - Jan 15 with 1450 viewsHerbivore

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:22 - Jan 15 by Guthrum

The Ref last night wasn't keen on giving penalties at all. Two good shouts for us and one for them all ignored. Mind you, he also mostly kept his cards in his pocket, too.


The one on Norwood second half would have been given more often than not outside the box. Thought the ref was a bit weak, didn't want to make any big calls really.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:27 - Jan 15 with 1442 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

You missed Fleetwood away.

That tackle on Nolan is as stonewall as you will see anywhere.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:29 - Jan 15 with 1434 viewsGuthrum

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:25 - Jan 15 by Herbivore

The one on Norwood second half would have been given more often than not outside the box. Thought the ref was a bit weak, didn't want to make any big calls really.


Tho he was, at least, brave enough to let the match continue after the (very effective) swamp-drainage work by the ground staff.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:30 - Jan 15 with 1430 viewsfooters

If there's one person guaranteed to get a Stonewall penalty it's Jackson.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:34 - Jan 15 with 1418 viewsHerbivore

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:30 - Jan 15 by footers

If there's one person guaranteed to get a Stonewall penalty it's Jackson.


Very nice.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:39 - Jan 15 with 1406 viewsfactual_blue

Why are penalties 'stonewall'? It makes no sense, as 'to stonewall' means to delay or obstruct, derived from General Thomas Jackson's behaviour at the First Battle of Bull Run.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:42 - Jan 15 with 1388 viewsFixed_It

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:22 - Jan 15 by Guthrum

The Ref last night wasn't keen on giving penalties at all. Two good shouts for us and one for them all ignored. Mind you, he also mostly kept his cards in his pocket, too.


I think he would also have had to keep the conditions in mind when making decisions re bookings...

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:46 - Jan 15 with 1382 viewsChrisd

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:23 - Jan 15 by Herbivore

Disagree.


Blackpool's penalty was a more obvious one than Norwood's. Based on the conditions last night, Tom Daley would've been pleased with Norwood's theatrical fall. Will Keane doesn't even appeal.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:52 - Jan 15 with 1366 viewsGeoffSentence

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:39 - Jan 15 by factual_blue

Why are penalties 'stonewall'? It makes no sense, as 'to stonewall' means to delay or obstruct, derived from General Thomas Jackson's behaviour at the First Battle of Bull Run.


It is a question that has been asked before, but not satisfactorily answered. It may be that people are mixing it up with stone-cold

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2000/dec/13/newsstory.sport5

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:53 - Jan 15 with 1359 viewsHerbivore

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:46 - Jan 15 by Chrisd

Blackpool's penalty was a more obvious one than Norwood's. Based on the conditions last night, Tom Daley would've been pleased with Norwood's theatrical fall. Will Keane doesn't even appeal.


Disagree.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:56 - Jan 15 with 1350 viewsOjc

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:30 - Jan 15 by footers

If there's one person guaranteed to get a Stonewall penalty it's Jackson.


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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:57 - Jan 15 with 1348 viewsfactual_blue

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:52 - Jan 15 by GeoffSentence

It is a question that has been asked before, but not satisfactorily answered. It may be that people are mixing it up with stone-cold

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2000/dec/13/newsstory.sport5


It'll have been a pundit with a poor command of his native language.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:02 - Jan 15 with 1335 viewsGuthrum

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:39 - Jan 15 by factual_blue

Why are penalties 'stonewall'? It makes no sense, as 'to stonewall' means to delay or obstruct, derived from General Thomas Jackson's behaviour at the First Battle of Bull Run.


Possibly a reference to Jackson's dependability.

Or maybe a corruption of "stone cold".

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:11 - Jan 15 with 1318 viewsfactual_blue

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:02 - Jan 15 by Guthrum

Possibly a reference to Jackson's dependability.

Or maybe a corruption of "stone cold".


Surely a stonewall penalty would have been a punishment handed out to those involved in the Stonewall Riots?

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:25 - Jan 15 with 1276 viewsSarge

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:20 - Jan 15 by Chrisd

If that was a dive, then Norwood’s effort last night was just as good, but without the same result.


Well no because there was contact on Norwood which immediately sets it apart from the Blackpool one
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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:34 - Jan 15 with 1260 viewsElephantintheRoom

You're definitely looking through blue tinted glasses.

Penalties are given by refs applying their interpretation of the laws of the game in a split second in a contest between two sets of cheats. The relevant law will almost certainly start 'In the referee's opinion...'

In the real world there are no soft, medium or hard-boiled penalties - they are either penalties or not penalties.

Norwood's last night was a good case in point. he was touched, perfectly allowable according to the laws of the game - and then flung himself to the ground, ie cheated, possibly outside the area where an offence may or may not have occurred. The ref chose to play on... and quite right to...given the minimal contact in very slippery conditions.

The only difference in third division football is that the cheats probably don't practice as much as they do in the Prem... and the refs are 3rd rate as well as the players - by and large.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:46 - Jan 15 with 1228 viewsElephantintheRoom

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:34 - Jan 15 by Herbivore

Very nice.


At the risk of being a pedant Stonewall Jackson got his nickname by taking advantage of a stone wall - the penalty fell to the other side

He was also a narcoleptic.... prone to fall asleep in the heat of batlle.... maybe this is why our Jackson is caught offside so often?

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:46 - Jan 15 with 1227 viewsChrisd

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:25 - Jan 15 by Sarge

Well no because there was contact on Norwood which immediately sets it apart from the Blackpool one


Lets be honest Sarge, if that went to VAR last night, I'm really not sure they'd have given it. How many times this season has the official in the TV studio said, 'For me there's not enough contact'? I'm not saying that's right, I don't know what the ruling is either if I'm being honest, but if that had been given against us I'd be fuming and that's how I judge it.

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:49 - Jan 15 with 1221 viewsGuthrum

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:46 - Jan 15 by ElephantintheRoom

At the risk of being a pedant Stonewall Jackson got his nickname by taking advantage of a stone wall - the penalty fell to the other side

He was also a narcoleptic.... prone to fall asleep in the heat of batlle.... maybe this is why our Jackson is caught offside so often?


It was actually a quote from another Confederate general, who shouted to his retreating troops "There stands Jackson like a stone wall - rally behind the Virginians!".

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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:54 - Jan 15 with 1216 viewsGuthrum

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 09:39 - Jan 15 by factual_blue

Why are penalties 'stonewall'? It makes no sense, as 'to stonewall' means to delay or obstruct, derived from General Thomas Jackson's behaviour at the First Battle of Bull Run.


It may also derive differently, something like "plain/solid as a stone wall", i.e. a very obvious and/or solid thing.
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Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 11:13 - Jan 15 with 1185 viewsfactual_blue

Stonewall Penalties vs Soft Penalties on 10:34 - Jan 15 by ElephantintheRoom

You're definitely looking through blue tinted glasses.

Penalties are given by refs applying their interpretation of the laws of the game in a split second in a contest between two sets of cheats. The relevant law will almost certainly start 'In the referee's opinion...'

In the real world there are no soft, medium or hard-boiled penalties - they are either penalties or not penalties.

Norwood's last night was a good case in point. he was touched, perfectly allowable according to the laws of the game - and then flung himself to the ground, ie cheated, possibly outside the area where an offence may or may not have occurred. The ref chose to play on... and quite right to...given the minimal contact in very slippery conditions.

The only difference in third division football is that the cheats probably don't practice as much as they do in the Prem... and the refs are 3rd rate as well as the players - by and large.


But surely it was a stonewall penalty in a must win game. That could have been the moment that quite literally defines our season.

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