| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:16 - Jan 1 with 2439 views | footers |
Christ, you're as bad as [REDACTED] with this anti-Labour nonsense.
How are your Lib Dems getting on, out of curiosity? |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:20 - Jan 1 with 2423 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:16 - Jan 1 by footers |
Christ, you're as bad as [REDACTED] with this anti-Labour nonsense.
How are your Lib Dems getting on, out of curiosity? |
This isn’t anti-Labour, it is pro-UK ;)
We are woefully incompetent right now. Thanks for asking :) |  | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:25 - Jan 1 with 2404 views | jeera |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:20 - Jan 1 by ElderGrizzly |
This isn’t anti-Labour, it is pro-UK ;)
We are woefully incompetent right now. Thanks for asking :) |
What's your issue with Starmer? |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:29 - Jan 1 with 2403 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:25 - Jan 1 by jeera |
What's your issue with Starmer? |
Nothing, he’d make a fantastic leader and hold Boris to account.
My issue is Labour will replace Corbyn with a non-bearded clone in Long-Bailey as Starmer is seen as too centrist | | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:42 - Jan 1 with 2359 views | Melford |
Not with this member, Jess Phillips is where my vote is going. I don't mind Keir Starmer though. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:48 - Jan 1 with 2341 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:16 - Jan 1 by footers |
Christ, you're as bad as [REDACTED] with this anti-Labour nonsense.
How are your Lib Dems getting on, out of curiosity? |
I would be happy for Starmer to win just to watch you know who wriggle out of voting for him. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:50 - Jan 1 with 2343 views | Gogs |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:29 - Jan 1 by ElderGrizzly |
Nothing, he’d make a fantastic leader and hold Boris to account.
My issue is Labour will replace Corbyn with a non-bearded clone in Long-Bailey as Starmer is seen as too centrist |
Starmer for me. The centre ground (to me largely to the left of centre) seems to be being ignored, yet it's where pretty much everyone I know has their true feelings. This country no more needs a far left agenda than it needs a far right agenda. And a far left government will never be voted in. |  | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:57 - Jan 1 with 2328 views | lowhouseblue |
starmer, phillips, nandy or copper for me.
whoever it is, it's a bloody long way back from where we are now.
if the loons force corbyn in a dress on us then the tories will be in till the 2030s. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 05:37 - Jan 2 with 2166 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:16 - Jan 1 by footers |
Christ, you're as bad as [REDACTED] with this anti-Labour nonsense.
How are your Lib Dems getting on, out of curiosity? |
WTF?
Few jars last night by any chance? |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 05:50 - Jan 2 with 2163 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:42 - Jan 1 by Melford |
Not with this member, Jess Phillips is where my vote is going. I don't mind Keir Starmer though. |
Not a Labour member but I think Phillips would get my vote too. That said Chico made a very good point previously about the likely perception of a working class female leader with a Brummie accent, which makes me worry I’m guilty of the same kind of wishful thinking re her electability as Corbyn supporters were
I’d love to find out though, although ideally in a world where failure doesn’t mean another decade of Tory rule | |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 07:08 - Jan 2 with 2071 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:42 - Jan 1 by Melford |
Not with this member, Jess Phillips is where my vote is going. I don't mind Keir Starmer though. |
I like Jess, her and Boris would be fun. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:22 - Jan 2 with 1990 views | brogansnose |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 05:50 - Jan 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Not a Labour member but I think Phillips would get my vote too. That said Chico made a very good point previously about the likely perception of a working class female leader with a Brummie accent, which makes me worry I’m guilty of the same kind of wishful thinking re her electability as Corbyn supporters were
I’d love to find out though, although ideally in a world where failure doesn’t mean another decade of Tory rule |
On the other hand, it could work out alright for JP as to continually go against a working class Northern woman would be a bit tricky for the media especially as BJ has positioned himself as the new champion of the working class. RLB will get grief all the way from the media as being Corbyn in a dress and I haven't seen enough of her to say that she'll go toe to toe with BJ in the same way that JP would. A ticket of RLB & AR would be a misogynistic media field day, it shouldn't be, but it would.
Anybody who gets the gig has got to call be calling the tories out and landing punches which I never felt Corbyn did enough of. The bloke had open goals and kept putting it well wide. |  | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:33 - Jan 2 with 1968 views | Guthrum |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 07:08 - Jan 2 by Lord_Lucan |
I like Jess, her and Boris would be fun. |
Phillips has mainly impressed people with her passion, but does she have control? The former loses its edge after a while. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:36 - Jan 2 with 1958 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:57 - Jan 1 by lowhouseblue |
starmer, phillips, nandy or copper for me.
whoever it is, it's a bloody long way back from where we are now.
if the loons force corbyn in a dress on us then the tories will be in till the 2030s. |
For some, protest is much more satisfying and lucrative than leading though.
I fully expect McCluskey and Momentum to force through RLB [Post edited 2 Jan 2020 8:36]
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:41 - Jan 2 with 1936 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I'm not so sure. Even John Macdonald has distanced himself from his hairdresser protegee. Given the scale of the defeat - and the sheer irrelevance of Labour to the real world at the moment you might find the party comes to its senses at some point.
Even the 'right-on' urge to appoint a shouty, inexperienced woman might be overcome if anyone in Labournoticed what happened to the Lib-Dems.
The main problem with Starmer is that he is not a pigeon fancier from up north.... the sort of nonense the idiots within Labour now think important if a bit of credibility is to be restored with the great unwashed.
His remoaning profile can only be good as the country begins to suffer still further from Brexit... and it is unlikely ANY leader will be able to turn things around within one parliament, no matter how awful and chaotic this one is going to be.... look at the pig's ear Corbyn made of an empty net and open goal in May's time 'in power'.
Labour's only hope is to appoint someone with stature and common sense. Alas, so poor are Labour at present,thanks to Corbyn's purges that this is effectively a shortlist of two... Starmer or oblivion. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:44 - Jan 2 with 1914 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:41 - Jan 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
I'm not so sure. Even John Macdonald has distanced himself from his hairdresser protegee. Given the scale of the defeat - and the sheer irrelevance of Labour to the real world at the moment you might find the party comes to its senses at some point.
Even the 'right-on' urge to appoint a shouty, inexperienced woman might be overcome if anyone in Labournoticed what happened to the Lib-Dems.
The main problem with Starmer is that he is not a pigeon fancier from up north.... the sort of nonense the idiots within Labour now think important if a bit of credibility is to be restored with the great unwashed.
His remoaning profile can only be good as the country begins to suffer still further from Brexit... and it is unlikely ANY leader will be able to turn things around within one parliament, no matter how awful and chaotic this one is going to be.... look at the pig's ear Corbyn made of an empty net and open goal in May's time 'in power'.
Labour's only hope is to appoint someone with stature and common sense. Alas, so poor are Labour at present,thanks to Corbyn's purges that this is effectively a shortlist of two... Starmer or oblivion. |
If the shortlist is Starmer and everyone else on there is a woman, there will be a huge pressure to appoint a woman this time round too.
Labour’s Shadow Transport Secretary on Sky just now are clearly still in denial. Claiming the election was ‘a blip’ and a ‘different kind of election’ and the party is not in crisis. | | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:04 - Jan 2 with 1868 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:44 - Jan 2 by ElderGrizzly |
If the shortlist is Starmer and everyone else on there is a woman, there will be a huge pressure to appoint a woman this time round too.
Labour’s Shadow Transport Secretary on Sky just now are clearly still in denial. Claiming the election was ‘a blip’ and a ‘different kind of election’ and the party is not in crisis. |
'Don't panic!!'
Yes indeed but you have to remember these are spineless sycophants who toe the party line. The membership does exist outside of its Islington bubble and most of the current gaggle of would-be leaders are held in utter contempt by the 'traditional' labour voter.
I'm not saying common sense and practicality WILL win through.... merely that it has to. I'd go further... the only way Labour can compete in the future (a future that will certainly be without Scotland and probably also Northern Ireleand) is to be able to form alliances with other parites.
This is the very open goal so criminally thrown away in the last parliament with devestating consequences for the country.... if you look at all the likely leaders only one of them has even the remotest chance of making a success of it in the next 10 years.
In my humble opinion. | |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:05 - Jan 2 with 1862 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:36 - Jan 2 by ElderGrizzly |
For some, protest is much more satisfying and lucrative than leading though.
I fully expect McCluskey and Momentum to force through RLB [Post edited 2 Jan 2020 8:36]
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In which case they should be renamed the Lemming Party | |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:06 - Jan 2 with 1860 views | Guthrum |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:41 - Jan 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
I'm not so sure. Even John Macdonald has distanced himself from his hairdresser protegee. Given the scale of the defeat - and the sheer irrelevance of Labour to the real world at the moment you might find the party comes to its senses at some point.
Even the 'right-on' urge to appoint a shouty, inexperienced woman might be overcome if anyone in Labournoticed what happened to the Lib-Dems.
The main problem with Starmer is that he is not a pigeon fancier from up north.... the sort of nonense the idiots within Labour now think important if a bit of credibility is to be restored with the great unwashed.
His remoaning profile can only be good as the country begins to suffer still further from Brexit... and it is unlikely ANY leader will be able to turn things around within one parliament, no matter how awful and chaotic this one is going to be.... look at the pig's ear Corbyn made of an empty net and open goal in May's time 'in power'.
Labour's only hope is to appoint someone with stature and common sense. Alas, so poor are Labour at present,thanks to Corbyn's purges that this is effectively a shortlist of two... Starmer or oblivion. |
One problem Labour has currently is that they are constantly trying to re-capture voters they've lost (or who don't exist any more), e.g. Scots, northern industrial workers. What made Blair so successful was that he went after entirely new cohorts (e.g. the comfortably-off homeowner), without alienating too many of the old Labour fanbase.
Addirionally, even if they do manage to get all of the "northern working class" back on board, that still isn't going to win them an election.
But the problem with revolutionaries is that when they fail, the explanation given is they haven't been revolutionary enough. | |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:19 - Jan 2 with 1808 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:06 - Jan 2 by Guthrum |
One problem Labour has currently is that they are constantly trying to re-capture voters they've lost (or who don't exist any more), e.g. Scots, northern industrial workers. What made Blair so successful was that he went after entirely new cohorts (e.g. the comfortably-off homeowner), without alienating too many of the old Labour fanbase.
Addirionally, even if they do manage to get all of the "northern working class" back on board, that still isn't going to win them an election.
But the problem with revolutionaries is that when they fail, the explanation given is they haven't been revolutionary enough. |
Agreed.
One of the truly bizarre facets of Labour's implosion is that Blair is seen as the antichrist rather than a plausible leader with the cross party appeal that made Labour electable for the only time in four decades..
That is a lesson that could be usefully be learned.
What I would say is that we live in changing times. Brexit has dominated people's thinking (or rather deeply ingrained bigotry). Hollow promises of a vibrant Britain unleashing its potential are a bit tricky to front up when the entire country suffers a self-inflicted recession and finds itself unable to do trade deals with Europe or the USA for various reasons.
All it requires is patience and common sense - and leadership... not traits Labour have shown recently admittedly.... BUT perhaps now could be a new beginning. | |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:43 - Jan 2 with 1772 views | WD19 |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:06 - Jan 2 by Guthrum |
One problem Labour has currently is that they are constantly trying to re-capture voters they've lost (or who don't exist any more), e.g. Scots, northern industrial workers. What made Blair so successful was that he went after entirely new cohorts (e.g. the comfortably-off homeowner), without alienating too many of the old Labour fanbase.
Addirionally, even if they do manage to get all of the "northern working class" back on board, that still isn't going to win them an election.
But the problem with revolutionaries is that when they fail, the explanation given is they haven't been revolutionary enough. |
They need to get away from the mindset that if enough people (consistently) don't vote for them it is because the majority are just wrong.....
You can almost see them chucking another election under RLB and then claiming it is the electorates fault for being some combination of stupid, racist, wrong and sexist.
To my mind you can't be serious about caring about 'the many' if you are not serious about winning power (and making your policies possible) in the first place. |  | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:49 - Jan 2 with 1749 views | r2d2 |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 23:42 - Jan 1 by Melford |
Not with this member, Jess Phillips is where my vote is going. I don't mind Keir Starmer though. |
Jess Phillips just has a big gob. All mouth and trousers. Keir Starmer is a wally too! |  | | |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 09:49 - Jan 2 with 1749 views | StokieBlue |
This must be a mistake.
Over the last few years we have heard time and again how the membership were behind the project and more recently behind a manifesto of which Starmer has been very critical.
Seems hard to square those two things unless the forum is not entirely representative of the membership.....
Starmer would be an excellent choice to oppose the Tories and hold them to account.
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 10:05 - Jan 2 with 1703 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 08:41 - Jan 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
I'm not so sure. Even John Macdonald has distanced himself from his hairdresser protegee. Given the scale of the defeat - and the sheer irrelevance of Labour to the real world at the moment you might find the party comes to its senses at some point.
Even the 'right-on' urge to appoint a shouty, inexperienced woman might be overcome if anyone in Labournoticed what happened to the Lib-Dems.
The main problem with Starmer is that he is not a pigeon fancier from up north.... the sort of nonense the idiots within Labour now think important if a bit of credibility is to be restored with the great unwashed.
His remoaning profile can only be good as the country begins to suffer still further from Brexit... and it is unlikely ANY leader will be able to turn things around within one parliament, no matter how awful and chaotic this one is going to be.... look at the pig's ear Corbyn made of an empty net and open goal in May's time 'in power'.
Labour's only hope is to appoint someone with stature and common sense. Alas, so poor are Labour at present,thanks to Corbyn's purges that this is effectively a shortlist of two... Starmer or oblivion. |
What a load of nonsense.
But picking up the first point, where do you get idea that Labour's manifesto was irrelevant to the real world? I think the UK needs dragging into the real world - - or at least showing the way -where addressing the needs of citizens and the environment have never been more important and overdue.
In line with being a modern European country, there needs to be a genuine social democratic alternative to the increasing inequality and divisions between rich and poor, north and south and young and old.
It doesn't matter that our media largely don't agree or care about that. |  |
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| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 10:09 - Jan 2 with 1694 views | chicoazul |
| Starmer is the members choice for Labour Leader apparently on 10:05 - Jan 2 by Darth_Koont |
What a load of nonsense.
But picking up the first point, where do you get idea that Labour's manifesto was irrelevant to the real world? I think the UK needs dragging into the real world - - or at least showing the way -where addressing the needs of citizens and the environment have never been more important and overdue.
In line with being a modern European country, there needs to be a genuine social democratic alternative to the increasing inequality and divisions between rich and poor, north and south and young and old.
It doesn't matter that our media largely don't agree or care about that. |
What about if the voters largely don't agree or care about that? |  |
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