| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 21:03 - Dec 18 with 577 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 19:49 - Dec 18 by tractordownsouth |
Oh, apologies. I'm an idiot. Can someone undo my downvote?
I've removed the text from my replies to you! Again, sorry for the mistake. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 19:53]
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No problem and no offence was taken anyway.
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| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:20 - Dec 18 with 520 views | baxterbasics |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 18:42 - Dec 18 by Lord_Lucan |
You quite obviously have never read further than the mini quotes in sensationalist media outlets so I'll do you the favour of pasting it for you.
"So I was a bit surprised to see that on August 1 the Danes joined several other European countries — France, Germany, Austria, Belgium — in imposing a ban on the niqab and the burka — those items of Muslim headgear that obscure the female face. Already, a fine of 1,000 krone — about £120 — has been imposed on a 28-year-old woman seen wearing a niqab in a shopping centre in the north-eastern town of Horsholm. A scuffle broke out as someone tried to rip it off her head. There have been demonstrations, on both sides of the argument. What has happened, you may ask, to the Danish spirit of live and let live?
If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree — and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran. I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes; and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any — invariably male — government to encourage such demonstrations of “modesty”, notably the extraordinary exhortations of President Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya, who has told the men of his country to splat their women with paintballs if they fail to cover their heads.
If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled — like Jack Straw — to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly. If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto: those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct. As for individual businesses or branches of government — they should of course be able to enforce a dress code that enables their employees to interact with customers; and that means human beings must be able to see each other’s faces and read their expressions. It’s how we work.
All that seems to me to be sensible, But such restrictions are not quite the same as telling a free-born adult woman what she may or may not wear, in a public place, when she is simply minding her own business.
I am against a total ban because it is inevitably construed — rightly or wrongly — as being intended to make some point about Islam. If you go for a total ban, you play into the hands of those who want to politicise and dramatise the so-called clash of civilisations; and you fan the flames of grievance. You risk turning people into martyrs, and you risk a general crackdown on any public symbols of religious affiliation; and you may simply make the problem worse. Like a parent confronted by a rebellious teenager, determined to wear a spike through her tongue or a bolt through her nose, you run the risk that by a heavy-handed attempt to ban what you see as a bizarre and unattractive adornment you simply stiffen resistance.
The burka and the niqab were certainly not always part of Islam. In Britain today there is only a tiny, tiny minority of women who wear these odd bits of headgear. One day, I am sure, they will go.
The Danes swim starkers in the heart of Copenhagen. If The Killing is to be believed, their female detectives wear Faroe sweaters on duty, as is their sovereign right. If Danish women really want to cover their faces, then it seems a bit extreme — all the caveats above understood — to stop them under all circumstances. I don’t propose we follow suit. A total ban is not the answer" |
See reading through that it is plain to me that most offence over this has been manufactured. It’s on a par with making fun of the Archbishop of Canterbury for dressing like a prat or suggesting that Nuns look like penguins. Nobody would bat an eyelid at that and there is literally no difference. |  |
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| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:30 - Dec 18 with 511 views | eireblue |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:20 - Dec 18 by baxterbasics |
See reading through that it is plain to me that most offence over this has been manufactured. It’s on a par with making fun of the Archbishop of Canterbury for dressing like a prat or suggesting that Nuns look like penguins. Nobody would bat an eyelid at that and there is literally no difference. |
If you genuinely want to speak on behalf of a minority, and are not a member of that minority, then you should do so with due respect.
It is not up to a white christian middle aged man to decide what is and isn’t offensive, for Muslim women. Johnson, can of course decide whether the term gammon is appropriate for himself. |  | | |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:45 - Dec 18 with 495 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:30 - Dec 18 by eireblue |
If you genuinely want to speak on behalf of a minority, and are not a member of that minority, then you should do so with due respect.
It is not up to a white christian middle aged man to decide what is and isn’t offensive, for Muslim women. Johnson, can of course decide whether the term gammon is appropriate for himself. |
I think you misread the words oppressive and offensive. | |
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| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 23:33 - Dec 18 with 454 views | eireblue |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:45 - Dec 18 by Lord_Lucan |
I think you misread the words oppressive and offensive. |
No, I am pretty sure Baxter only used the word offence. | | | |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 23:34 - Dec 18 with 453 views | baxterbasics |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 22:30 - Dec 18 by eireblue |
If you genuinely want to speak on behalf of a minority, and are not a member of that minority, then you should do so with due respect.
It is not up to a white christian middle aged man to decide what is and isn’t offensive, for Muslim women. Johnson, can of course decide whether the term gammon is appropriate for himself. |
Well by the same token, it appears to mainly be white non-Muslims getting most upset by the article, and making the most noise. | |
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| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 23:43 - Dec 18 with 450 views | eireblue |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 23:34 - Dec 18 by baxterbasics |
Well by the same token, it appears to mainly be white non-Muslims getting most upset by the article, and making the most noise. |
No, on a recent Question Time, it was Muslim females pointing it out that it was offensive, and that they have been called names in the street.
You can choose to respect that they find it offensive, or not.
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| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 00:44 - Dec 19 with 426 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tories drop Islamphobia enquiry on 17:34 - Dec 18 by GlasgowBlue |
There is absolutely no excuse to drop this pledge . If the Tories. Any sort this out with an independent inquiry now then in two or three years time they will find themselves under a similar investigatupion as Labour are by the EHRC.
No more excuses. Hold an inquiry. |
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