| Disinterested manager means 07:04 - Dec 11 with 1660 views | sotd78 |
Disinterested players. 6,500 die hard fans. Everyone else disinterested. We got what we deserved last night. Okay the players all tried to a degree but there was no team. No cohesiveness. No closing down in pairs. No triangles. Not much tracking back. All the dirty stuff. The hard graft needed. All missing.
Who'd you blame. Has to be the coaching staff no? |  |
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| Disinterested manager means on 07:29 - Dec 11 with 1363 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I'd say the blame lies very squarely with 6,500 'diehard fans'. Quite why anybody pays good money to see themselves and a cup competition treated with utter contempt beggars belief. Beyond that maybe Arsene Wenger and his ilk are to blame for deciding that domestic cup competitions are too much like hard work for professional footballers. Fast forward a couple of decades and you have the nadir that the FA Cup has become. Gullible fans swallow the tosh hook line and sinker - but I doubt their employers would be overly impressed if those decided not to go to work for a day and sent their children, or a mate of a mate instead. |  |
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| More to the point on 08:39 - Dec 11 with 1242 views | Guthrum |
How come there were only about 6,200 Town fans there for a game in the supposedly beloved FA Cup? Barely more than than we've had for the Leasing Dot Com thing.
Perhaps the players thought the home fans weren't very interested. |  |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:05 - Dec 11 with 1220 views | Guthrum |
| Disinterested manager means on 07:29 - Dec 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
I'd say the blame lies very squarely with 6,500 'diehard fans'. Quite why anybody pays good money to see themselves and a cup competition treated with utter contempt beggars belief. Beyond that maybe Arsene Wenger and his ilk are to blame for deciding that domestic cup competitions are too much like hard work for professional footballers. Fast forward a couple of decades and you have the nadir that the FA Cup has become. Gullible fans swallow the tosh hook line and sinker - but I doubt their employers would be overly impressed if those decided not to go to work for a day and sent their children, or a mate of a mate instead. |
It's not like we put out a particularly weakened squad.
Barring Nsiala, Cotter (supposedly a good young prospect) and Huws (recently returned from injury), the rest of the team had started an average 68% of League matches (rising to 79% if you include sub apparances) - this despite Kenlock not having played in the League since mid September. It also included our strongest strike partnership.
We were only Chambers/Wilson, Garbutt and Downes short of a full League starting lineup.
Yes, we played badly, but hardly "contempt for the Cup". | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:10 - Dec 11 with 1201 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:05 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
It's not like we put out a particularly weakened squad.
Barring Nsiala, Cotter (supposedly a good young prospect) and Huws (recently returned from injury), the rest of the team had started an average 68% of League matches (rising to 79% if you include sub apparances) - this despite Kenlock not having played in the League since mid September. It also included our strongest strike partnership.
We were only Chambers/Wilson, Garbutt and Downes short of a full League starting lineup.
Yes, we played badly, but hardly "contempt for the Cup". |
It was a team that had never played before, played like it had never played before - and probably won't play again. There is little point in entering cup competitions if you aren't going to try and win games.... Town fans have been treated to these absurd matches for over a decade now - and long will they continue of people pay to be ripped off. it's a bit like voting Tory in the elections. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:10 - Dec 11 with 1201 views | wkj |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:05 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
It's not like we put out a particularly weakened squad.
Barring Nsiala, Cotter (supposedly a good young prospect) and Huws (recently returned from injury), the rest of the team had started an average 68% of League matches (rising to 79% if you include sub apparances) - this despite Kenlock not having played in the League since mid September. It also included our strongest strike partnership.
We were only Chambers/Wilson, Garbutt and Downes short of a full League starting lineup.
Yes, we played badly, but hardly "contempt for the Cup". |
IHonestly, I think it's becoming very very clear how important KVY is for us, same situation as last year, when we're lacking on the right we're playing really poorly. I realise the left could be described in this way also, but good left footed left wingers are harder to find than good right footed right wingers, besides, Garbutt isn't doing all that bad of a job there.
I hope that Freddy's return will lift the squad, he's clearly a highly regarded player amoungst his peers and despite getting a bit of flak on here, one of the only players consistent with his work rate. |  |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:14 - Dec 11 with 1171 views | Herbivore |
Most of the fans there last night seemed to me to be day trippers rather than die hards. I saw about three regular ST holders around me, most of the rest were acting like they'd never been to a football match before. |  |
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| More to the point on 09:14 - Dec 11 with 1175 views | Reuser_is_God |
| More to the point on 08:39 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
How come there were only about 6,200 Town fans there for a game in the supposedly beloved FA Cup? Barely more than than we've had for the Leasing Dot Com thing.
Perhaps the players thought the home fans weren't very interested. |
I said this to my mates last night.
Given all the moaning about last night you’d have thought people actually cared about it & would’ve gone to the game. |  |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:18 - Dec 11 with 1158 views | longtimefan |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:05 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
It's not like we put out a particularly weakened squad.
Barring Nsiala, Cotter (supposedly a good young prospect) and Huws (recently returned from injury), the rest of the team had started an average 68% of League matches (rising to 79% if you include sub apparances) - this despite Kenlock not having played in the League since mid September. It also included our strongest strike partnership.
We were only Chambers/Wilson, Garbutt and Downes short of a full League starting lineup.
Yes, we played badly, but hardly "contempt for the Cup". |
All good points that make the performance even more concerning! | | | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:26 - Dec 11 with 1132 views | Guthrum |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:10 - Dec 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
It was a team that had never played before, played like it had never played before - and probably won't play again. There is little point in entering cup competitions if you aren't going to try and win games.... Town fans have been treated to these absurd matches for over a decade now - and long will they continue of people pay to be ripped off. it's a bit like voting Tory in the elections. |
Apart from the back-line, that team has pretty much played together during the season. Maybe not quite all at once (given Downes has missed so few games), but certainly in combinations. They ought to know how each other work. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:29 - Dec 11 with 1120 views | Guthrum |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:10 - Dec 11 by wkj |
IHonestly, I think it's becoming very very clear how important KVY is for us, same situation as last year, when we're lacking on the right we're playing really poorly. I realise the left could be described in this way also, but good left footed left wingers are harder to find than good right footed right wingers, besides, Garbutt isn't doing all that bad of a job there.
I hope that Freddy's return will lift the squad, he's clearly a highly regarded player amoungst his peers and despite getting a bit of flak on here, one of the only players consistent with his work rate. |
Vincent-Young and Downes are the vital absences, for me. We haven't been so effective since the former got injured and it's no coincidence that the only two League games we lost were without the latter.
With Sears, I'm hoping for some genuine pace and ability to run with the ball wide on the left. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:32 - Dec 11 with 1110 views | wkj |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:29 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Vincent-Young and Downes are the vital absences, for me. We haven't been so effective since the former got injured and it's no coincidence that the only two League games we lost were without the latter.
With Sears, I'm hoping for some genuine pace and ability to run with the ball wide on the left. |
Indeed, if we're not effective feeding the ball through the middle, we absolutely need that magic on the wing. If Paul is going to tinker any more, I am almost ready to say take a punt on Kenlock at LB with Garbutt in front, at least until Sears and/or KVY return. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:35 - Dec 11 with 1082 views | Herbivore |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:26 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Apart from the back-line, that team has pretty much played together during the season. Maybe not quite all at once (given Downes has missed so few games), but certainly in combinations. They ought to know how each other work. |
I do wonder how many times we've started the exact same line up this season. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:37 - Dec 11 with 1084 views | Guthrum |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:32 - Dec 11 by wkj |
Indeed, if we're not effective feeding the ball through the middle, we absolutely need that magic on the wing. If Paul is going to tinker any more, I am almost ready to say take a punt on Kenlock at LB with Garbutt in front, at least until Sears and/or KVY return. |
There's something to be said for a straight 4-4-2. Kenlock and Garbutt on the left, Donacien and Edwards on the right, Downes and Nolan or Judge in the middle and two up top. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:39 - Dec 11 with 1078 views | wkj |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:37 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
There's something to be said for a straight 4-4-2. Kenlock and Garbutt on the left, Donacien and Edwards on the right, Downes and Nolan or Judge in the middle and two up top. |
At this stage a back to basics 442 could well be what the doctor ordered. It is a pretty unsexy formation for the masses, but at this stage the sexiness needs to be our league finish. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:41 - Dec 11 with 1068 views | Guthrum |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:35 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
I do wonder how many times we've started the exact same line up this season. |
Shouldn't think very many (don't have time to look now). But that's kind of Lambert's point. You have to have a larger group of players who are all used to working together. Otherwise everything falls to pieces if one key man gets injured/suspended (or at least makes that less likely). [Post edited 11 Dec 2019 9:42]
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:42 - Dec 11 with 1057 views | PJH |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:39 - Dec 11 by wkj |
At this stage a back to basics 442 could well be what the doctor ordered. It is a pretty unsexy formation for the masses, but at this stage the sexiness needs to be our league finish. |
The sexiness needs to be scoring more than one goal in a game on a regular basis because two or more goals will win you a lot of matches in the third division.
Results, as always, more important than how you get them. |  | | |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:43 - Dec 11 with 1045 views | Herbivore |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:41 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Shouldn't think very many (don't have time to look now). But that's kind of Lambert's point. You have to have a larger group of players who are all used to working together. Otherwise everything falls to pieces if one key man gets injured/suspended (or at least makes that less likely). [Post edited 11 Dec 2019 9:42]
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Although if you have a clear system and style of play it's far easier to rotate one or two in and out of the team. We're not just changing personnel (usually several) every game but we're changing shape constantly too. It's not really working and it's hardly a surprise, how many sides have success changing team and system every week? | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:43 - Dec 11 with 1050 views | chicoazul |
Uninterested, not disinterested. |  |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:44 - Dec 11 with 1047 views | wkj |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:42 - Dec 11 by PJH |
The sexiness needs to be scoring more than one goal in a game on a regular basis because two or more goals will win you a lot of matches in the third division.
Results, as always, more important than how you get them. |
Farbeit for me to disagree with a legend of the support base. How would you select the team currently? | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:49 - Dec 11 with 1035 views | Darth_Koont |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:43 - Dec 11 by chicoazul |
Uninterested, not disinterested. |
Actually both work. Disinterested can also mean uninterested now. |  |
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:52 - Dec 11 with 1025 views | PJH |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:44 - Dec 11 by wkj |
Farbeit for me to disagree with a legend of the support base. How would you select the team currently? |
That is an interesting question.
I would certainly have two upfront but not sure which two-Freddie Sears fit and firing would be nice.
I think that you have got to have a settled formation and wherever possible a settled side because that is the logical way to get consistency in performance and (good) results.
I would not have Edwards anywhere near a starting first team but in doing that you get limited for natural wide players.
Not certain who I would have in goal but most likely Norris.
Wolf and Downes just about the only certain starters although Chambo as well I suppose.
So the initial problem would be deciding on a starting team but hopefully that team would win a game or two which would leave little reason to change it.
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| Disinterested manager means on 09:59 - Dec 11 with 1001 views | chicoazul |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:49 - Dec 11 by Darth_Koont |
Actually both work. Disinterested can also mean uninterested now. |
Now as in, since you just said it? | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 10:12 - Dec 11 with 985 views | Darth_Koont |
| Disinterested manager means on 09:59 - Dec 11 by chicoazul |
Now as in, since you just said it? |
No, for a while.
Language reflects usage not the whims of anally retentive pedants. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 10:13 - Dec 11 with 980 views | chicoazul |
| Disinterested manager means on 10:12 - Dec 11 by Darth_Koont |
No, for a while.
Language reflects usage not the whims of anally retentive pedants. |
Surely if one word has 2 possible meanings and one word has only one, it would be best to use the latter not the former? Or is that pedantic. | |
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| Disinterested manager means on 10:18 - Dec 11 with 969 views | Darth_Koont |
| Disinterested manager means on 10:13 - Dec 11 by chicoazul |
Surely if one word has 2 possible meanings and one word has only one, it would be best to use the latter not the former? Or is that pedantic. |
Do what you want. That's the beauty of language and how it evolves.
I'd say if you mean disinterested and not uninterested then use that. Otherwise, chill mate. [Post edited 11 Dec 2019 10:38]
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